argenianpoet said:
I could not get the link to work either, but the question of how the Universe got here is simple; it's just a matter of acceptance. Although the idea is not popular in the scientific community (why is beyond me, considering these people are supposed to be smart) I think that it is safe to say that God created the Universe and all that is in it.
Heres my link: King James Bible, Chapter One, Verse One: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
The problem with science is this: The Bible does not fit into their ideology, but what they don't know is this, how can you prove that the Universe was not created by God? I mean, they are saying that it was just an accident; how stupid is that conception. Reality is not an accident, I mean open your eyes and take a look around...
The idea is neither popular nor unpopular in the scientific community. Science is not about disproving the exsitence of God or what he/she/they supposedly did or didn't do. Science is about following the evidence to discover the fundamental laws of the Universe and finding out what actually happened.
Science is not an ideaology, religion is. Scientists are prepared to change their views based on their research and what it uncovers, ideologists aren't. Which camp do you fall into? Do you believe that the Earth goes around the Sun? If you do it is because of what scientists have discovered about the Universe. It was religion that said the Sun went around the Earth.
As for reality and looking around - I do. One of the things I see are mountain ranges that I think are wonderful things of beauty. No doubt created by a God of love in your reality. But the mechanism He 'chooses' to create them are volcanoes and earthquakes that probably killed many thousands of people. Just how does that fit in with your your God of love?
Like Paradox I am an atheist and I have come to this by a lot of thought
and by looking around me, and I am somewhat irritated that because of this you casually regard me as not being 'smart'. I am an ex Methodist lay-preacher and whilst that doesn't qualify my for necessarily being 'smart' I have at least given this question a good deal of thought. Perhaps you should do the same.
I don't intend that this post should turn this into a 'yes there is a God/ No there isn't' thread so I shan't post on it again.
But in closing I would say this, you seem to be of the opinion that the Universe was created, but God wasn't. By that I take it that you hold the common religious view that God has always existed. Well although the latest theory says the current Universe came into existence about 15 billion years ago
we have no way of knowing what existed before that. Maybe another Universe? Maybe there has
always been a cycle of Universes expanding and collapsing thus requiring no creator.
My currently held view (that I am prepared to change) that there has always been a Universe is just as valid as your view (that you probably aren't prepared to change no matter what) that there has always been a God.
