Rhaegar?? For the sake of discussion

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There hasn't been a lot of discussion lately on this forum,so.... is there anybody out there that thinks that there may be an ever so slight possibility that Rhaegar is alive and kicking somewhere in Westeros.I know,I know that the odds aren't good, but with the 3 heads of the dragon thing, and the so called fact that Aegon is indeed dead doesn't it make sense that there is another Targaryen of good solid blood out there.I realize there are tonnes of theories revolving around the 3rd head of the dragon (Tyrion,dead Aegon,etc..etc,even it not having to be a Targaryen) but maybe we are all looking to far from the original Targaryen line. Take for example that Rhaegar was this WONDERFUL warrior and that he read in some book that he would be this WONDERFUL warrior, so with this proficy which we all Know always come true (not), how did he possibly get beat by Robert on the Trident. I realize that Robert was also a great warrior but Rhaegar should have been better.Not to mention that if a prince dies shoudn't something memerable been done with the body. Maybe it wasn't Rhaegar in that black armor.Maybe he is elsewhere and it was that that made him mellencoly after he read the poficy.Just a radom bunch of thoughts.Comments anyone?
 
Actually, I think Rhaegar was viewed as a damn good fighter. Originally he was a bookworm, but one day he unexpectedly emerged from his books and started training as a warrior. Given the fact that he was dedicated to his training and also that he is portrayed as a high achiever, I assume that he was far more than competent on the battlefield. But Robert was also known as a fierce warrior (and someone who seemed to enjoy combat, unlike Rhaegar). In a one on one showdown Robert would probably have the upper hand. I've always taken it for granted that Rhaegar is dead, on the assumption that his either his friends or his foes would have made positive I.D. on his corpse.
 
MIDNIGHT said:
Take for example that Rhaegar was this WONDERFUL warrior and that he read in some book that he would be this WONDERFUL warrior, so with this proficy which we all Know always come true (not), how did he possibly get beat by Robert on the Trident.
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Rhaegar was mistaken. The prophecy was not about him. Have you read AFFC, Midnight? You'll find the answers there.

MIDNIGHT said:
I realize that Robert was also a great warrior but Rhaegar should have been better.Not to mention that if a prince dies shoudn't something memerable been done with the body. Maybe it wasn't Rhaegar in that black armor.
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Robert believed that Rhaegar had imprisoned and raped the woman he loved. His hatred of Rhaegar and all things Targaryen was still very much evident several years later. I think that after killing whomever was in the black armor, Robert would have made damn sure it was Rhaegar. Not to mention, from what we know of Rhaegar's character, I doubt that he was the type to send another man to fight his battles.
 
Agree, Rheagar is dead. But it sort of poetic in a way that the beautiful man that he was, smart, well-read, good warrior, the envy of all women and girls (Cersei) in the kingdom and he gets himself killed by Robert whom Cersei later marries (and kills) and seems to become the exact opposite of what Rheagar represented.

Now, there are certainly alot of theories about other Targaryens around: Jon, baby Aegon, Tyrion (not likely if you ask me) so there's bound to be one that pops up somewhere. My money is on Jon and the Darkstar.

But, thanks for starting a discussion on the issue, eh.
 
I don't seriously believe Rhaegar is still alive.I am just terribly bored waiting for ADWD and would discuss any theory possible (even if it is haywire).I do believe however that just about anything is possible with Martin. Just how many of us can honestly say that we predicted anything that happened in AFFC (which yes I have read 3 times to be exact, and still can guarranty that I have missed many things). Oh so many of the discussions now are just a repeat of things that we already seem to know, such as Jons parentage, the hound alive etc. I am just so so so hoping for something new and earth shattering. ADWD seems so far away. Can't wait for the update next month on the home page.It is killing me.
 
MIDNIGHT said:
I . ADWD seems so far away. Can't wait for the update next month on the home page.It is killing me.
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Yes I know what you mean bloody hell why cant he crank out books like Koontz or S. King for gods sake(BTW I'm not comparing GRRM to them).By the time he finishes the next book Ill be bouncing a grand child on my knee.:D
 
Rhaegar is still alive... in Jon Stark!

just my three cents... sorry...okay stop looking at me that way...

*snow*
 
umm...TK, don't mean to be a spoilsport, but Darkstar is a Dayne and GRRM himself has confirmed that the Daynes are not related to the Targaryens at all.
 
the smiling weirwood said:
umm...TK, don't mean to be a spoilsport, but Darkstar is a Dayne and GRRM himself has confirmed that the Daynes are not related to the Targaryens at all.
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There was a theory that he could be the baby Aegon that was switched before the sacking of King's Landing and the killing of the royal family. And the fact that he was in Dorne and attacked Myrcella for no apparent real and then fled was provided as speculation to him being another loss Targaryen. It has nothing to do with being a Dayne.
 
I heard a crackpot theory somewhere (probably westeros) about the lead Monk on the island (I haven't read AFFC or the theory in a while so please excuse my explanation) being Rhaegar. There was quite a bit of support for it if I remember correctly. Hmmm, I need to find that thread.
 
Tyranus said:
I heard a crackpot theory somewhere (probably westeros) about the lead Monk on the island (I haven't read AFFC or the theory in a while so please excuse my explanation) being Rhaegar. There was quite a bit of support for it if I remember correctly. Hmmm, I need to find that thread.
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Wow, that would be a good one for GRRM to pull on us. Highly unlikely, but a good one. Any other theories on who the Monk could be??

What happened to Aerys' other siblings?? The monk was a good character and would hate to loose him after AFFC.
 
I don't tend to prescribe to most of these conspiracy theories, but I almost think Tyrion might very well be Targaryen. His father's hatred of him, his stunted and twisted visage--well not proof enough but if you think about something Varys said in Clash of Kings.

[FONT=&quot]The eunuch handed him a scroll. "So much villainy, it sings a sad song for our age. Did honor die with our fathers?"[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"My father is not dead yet." Tyrion scanned the list.

Now it may just be a flippant remark by Varys. "Our fathers" meaning ancestors. On the other hand, this is the Spider (and Martin) so small clues like this may be more than they seem.
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direghost said:
I don't tend to prescribe to most of these conspiracy theories, but I almost think Tyrion might very well be Targaryen. His father's hatred of him, his stunted and twisted visage--well not proof enough but if you think about something Varys said in Clash of Kings.

[FONT=&quot]The eunuch handed him a scroll. "So much villainy, it sings a sad song for our age. Did honor die with our fathers?"[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"My father is not dead yet." Tyrion scanned the list.

Now it may just be a flippant remark by Varys. "Our fathers" meaning ancestors. On the other hand, this is the Spider (and Martin) so small clues like this may be more than they seem.
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Well, I've only read AFFC once, but if I'm not mistaken, Jaime's cousin (or aunt?) informed him that he was not in fact Tywin's son . . . Tyrion is.
 
Hot Pie said:
Well, I've only read AFFC once, but if I'm not mistaken, Jaime's cousin (or aunt?) informed him that he was not in fact Tywin's son . . . Tyrion is.
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I believe thats in reference to Tyrion being more like Tywin not as a question of the status of their birth.
 
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