Daenerys and the Ironborn

Well, from that last post, I don't think the Smiling Weirwood is really a happy tree...We did read your post and although you referred to Winterfell it seemed like he agonized more over his relations with Ygritte than giving up something that was never his (Cat made sure of that) and could never be his (he's a *******). I mean who would want some burnt down castle when you can have a Wildling girl;)

To bring the discussion back to the original purpose of this forum (I admit I got off topic as well with Jon), what role will the Ironborn play? Any comments on the questions I asked in my first post on this forum?

Another issue is what will happen when the Ironborn and Stannis clash as they eventually will with Stannis in the North and Euron having ambitions. The Ironborn never accepted the rule of the Baratheons or anybody else for that matter. Maybe Asha can knock some sense into them if she aligns herself with Dany (as I hope she does).
 
I think Maester Aemon's life and his decisions are a foreshadowing of Jon's life and decisions. Aemon said he could have left the wall for vengeance... Jon almost did the same. Aemon also said he had the throne offered to him multiple times... Jon's been offered Winterfell, once. I think Jon will be offered a throne again... this time though, if The Other and it's minions are defeated and the Wildlings subjected to the King's Peace, then there is not really any more need for the Night's Watch... thus freeing Jon to join Dany.

My other thought is more relevant to the original topic. Did Euron really expect Victarion to successfully woo in his name? Or is Euron just getting rid of Victarion?
 
I'm not sure if Euron is just getting rid of Victarion or not, but I think not because having dragons on your side is too good to miss. I think Victarion will make a deal with Daenerys; if she helps him get rid of Euron and claim leadership of the Ironborn, then he will give her his allegiance. I am not too sure how the dragon horn will come into it though, will Victarion just steal the dragons? Hope not...

And who does really control the North? Is it the Ironborn or Stannis? It didn't sound as if the Ironborn had a whole load of men whereas Stannis had his big army. Do you think that Jon and the Watch help Stannis get rid of the 'traitorous' Ironborn as repayment for Stannis saving the Night's Watch's butt? Not to mention Jon personal vendetta against them, for 'killing' Bran and Rickon and destroying Winterfell. Does Jon yet know that that happenned? If not I am sure that Stannis will make sure he finds out.

As for breaking his vows (again) don't you think it would be just like Mr Martin to disapoint you and make Jon break more vows, as he is a *******? Sure, he had good reasons the first time, but it could be argued that these are even better reasons; the Night's Watch would still gaurd the North, just now from the Neck up. Also, it has been mentioned numerous times that the Castle where the Freys reside (I'm not sure if its Moat Cailin or the Twins) is unconquerable from the South, but can be taken from the North. If Jon clears out the Ironborn, why should he stop? He has just as much payback for the Freys...
 
Also (I will stop eventually...:)) if Jon and Stannis take control of the North, what will become of Petyr Bealish's plan for Sansa? Would Jon desert Stannis in order to join Sansa? I don't think Stannis would be too pleased with another contender for his crown. Would Jon's vows allow him to help Sansa, did he not revoke his family? (though if he has come this far, I doubt he cares much any more about the vows..)
 
A long, long time ago, in a thread far away...

I proposed the eventual marriage of Sansa and Jon. The wonderful thing about crackpot theories is that sooner or later (usually later) the law of averages starts to kick in and one or two cracked pots will be used.
 
I very much doubt Sansa and Jon will marry one another, didn't they hate each other as children, besides I like the idea of Sansa marrying that young possibly noble guy and becoming the lady of the vale.

Also (Sorry the thread has once more strayed off on a tangent) :eek: DANY IS BARREN!?:confused: I thought the price was just the death of her's and Drogo's son! I just never remember reading anything that would have led me to believe she was made barren :( . Well that does make things a bit more complicated.
 
Mirri Maz Dur revealed that Dany was barren when Dany confronted her about Drogo not turning out like she thought he should.(I always wanted him to die) Mirri said something like(and I'm paraphrasing here), "He will be as he was when the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, when the seas dry up and the mountains turn to dust and when your womb quickens with a living child." I took that to mean she was barren.
 
Rape, Pilage and then eventually get beaten by superior training and discipline. Slink back to the iron isles and sulk for 50 years. And repeat. :rolleyes:
 
the smiling weirwood said:
Mirri Maz Dur revealed that Dany was barren when Dany confronted her about Drogo not turning out like she thought he should.(I always wanted him to die) Mirri said something like(and I'm paraphrasing here), "He will be as he was when the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, when the seas dry up and the mountains turn to dust and when your womb quickens with a living child." I took that to mean she was barren.
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Or it could be whichever comes first, each of those would be a trigger for Drogo to come back to himself....
 
The role of the Ironborn is just beginning to unfold and therefore it can be difficult to make an informed speculation as regards their importance. My take on it is that Martin would not have spent time developing the storyline if the Iron Islands aren't going to play a large role in shaping the fate of Westeros. I think Dany would be severely tempted to use Victarion to grab ahold of his Fleet, but if Euron realizes Victarion's true desires he may go to Dany himself. He's got the horn to control dragons, and I think that is also important to Dany. Plus we still have the Damphair, Asha, maybe Theon...it's hard to make a solid guess on what might happen with these folks.
 
Jesus! How dense am I? I just put the Victarion's Fleet and Dany's army together.....quite possibly a way for her to get across the ocean.
 
yeah i definately think the ironborn form some kind of alliance with dany, seeing as she was always struggleing to get a big fleet, and thats what the iron born are.
 
Dolorous Edd said:
Rape, Pilage and then eventually get beaten by superior training and discipline. Slink back to the iron isles and sulk for 50 years. And repeat. :rolleyes:
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Well, now we know why you're the optimist...

No, I don't think the ironborn's role is that easily sorted out, especially with Dany. You are right, Yossarian, that it is difficult to predict (isn't all of GRRM's POVs) but he is setting up the ironborn for a major role. Theon and Asha will be important players or pawns. However, it may end up being a race between Dorne and the Iron Islands to Dany. Victorian may have an edge is he can take her to Valyria.
 
TK-421 said:
Well, now we know why you're the optimist...

No, I don't think the ironborn's role is that easily sorted out, especially with Dany. Theon and Asha will be important players or pawns. However, it may end up being a race between Dorne and the Iron Islands to Dany. Victorian may have an edge is he can take her to Valyria.
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I think Asha is going to kick ass lordy dont get in her way in fact I think she be the one to hookup with Dany and the Dragons but I dont see Theons role in any of this.
 
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