Is Olver Gaidal Cain?

[Braille]

why does it matter? The focus is on this last upcoming book and I don't think a 10 year old boy will help rand defeat Shai'Tan [Although many japanese animes tend to think a "child's love" is more powerful than a nuke (Cough*gunparademarch*cough)]

You never read the hobbit have you? or the lord of the rings series? Oliver is already bigger then any hobbit and is being raised by matt and the band. I don't see any way Oliver could NOT play a huge role when so many of the main characters are tied to him in some way. And this "last" book is actually 3 books, Plenty of time for oliver to kill moridin. *gasp*

 

[Clansman]

Braille, BSOM180 made that post over two years ago, when it was only one book. Then it became two, and now we know, it is three.

 

[Braille]

Braille, BSOM180 made that post over two years ago, when it was only one book. Then it became two, and now we know, it is three.

I'm glad everyone knows it's 3 books. And if you know that then I am sure you know that the reason for the 3 books is because the original "last" book was way to long to be just one. And since I wasn't commenting so much on the fact that it is now 3 books since it was such an old post and everyone knows how many there are (despite mine being the only follow up reply to his post) I was really saying is that Oliver may very well have a bigger part to play then anyone knows. Because he is a child in the stories is no reason to count him out. He is after all the only character in the entire series who IS a child in which he plays any part for more then one chapter. That alone is enough to make me think he will have some effect on the story if he isn't gaidal which I think he might very well be.

 

[spacecow]

Braille might have a point. Oliver should have a bigger purpose to his storyline.
But I think it's not likely he'll kill moridin or smtg ...

More thinking of him with his snakes and foxes game (helping out mat freeing moiraine.)

 

[Clansman]

The Snakes and Foxes game has been mentioned enough times for it not to be an aside. It is a detail of importance, going back several books.

We'd be dumb not to notice it, and this loose end isn't tied up, it will be a glaring, if small, hole in the fabric of this story.

 

[bunnypeaches]

I thought Noal claimed to be Jain Farstrider's brother or cousin or something? Could actually be him though I guess. I always thought Olver was Gaidal Cain too, but I have read a website where they denied it. But I'm sticking to the idea that it is him.

 

[Hawkwing]

I'm pretty sure RJ or someone else has said that Olver isn't Gaidal Cain.

 

[Kad One-Eye]

I think no. I beleive the pattern knows when the horn is to be used so it wouldnt spin out the legends tied to it when it is to be sounded. Plus Gaidal was summoned to Falme while Olver was a small child in Cairhien, i just have a problem with the two being in two different places in two different bodies.

 

[ThunderandLightning]

Olver is 9 or 10 years old. We know that Gaidal Cain was born shortly before Birgitte was yanked out of the world of dreams by Moghedien. In Wheel of Time chronology, that would be no more than 2 years ago. So no, Olver isn't Gaidal Cain -- unless there is some freakish time warp.

 

[ThunderandLightning]

And as one person already pointed out, Robert Jordan was asked that very question: Is Olver Gaidal Cain? The answer was no because though TAR causes time to flow differently, it DOESN'T flow backwards. Olver might have some interesting future, but he doesn't have to be Gaidal Cain for that to happen of course.

Otherwise it would fit quite well. Kinda like Mazrim Taim being Demandred: It fits if you stretch the details a good bit -- like how Demandred would not be able to stand in LTT's presence for 10 seconds without trying to kill him. Or the fact that LTT would have probably figured out that it was Demandred, whatever glamors and illusions were used. But in the end Robert Jordan said it ain't so. So it ain't so.

 

[Enraged Toaster]

The Snakes and Foxes game has been mentioned enough times for it not to be an aside. It is a detail of importance, going back several books.

We'd be dumb not to notice it, and this loose end isn't tied up, it will be a glaring, if small, hole in the fabric of this story.

Isn't the Snakes and Foxes game important because Mat and Thom believe it has something to do with freeing Moiraine? Then that could just be its entire purpose.

 

[Clansman]

You're on to something there, ET.