Targs - less than 300 years?

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Well talk about putting one in my wheelhouse...Im gonna have to kindly disagree KB....we worked with the local muhjadeen (literally translates to "holy warriors") in Afghanistan to make things happen early in that war...in fact the modus operandi was a small ranger unit to call in airstrikes, then the local calvalry (literally calvary) would sweep in....there were Afghani generals making strategic decisions during the war, and Afghani soldiers dying to free their country....now about 15% of the army we allied with are active guerrillas (sp?) because we havent left yet.

We partnered with Saddams way back during Reagans administration against Iran and you see how that turned out. Dont you remember the celebrations in Iraq because Saddam was ousted?....well now public opinion is turning in Bagdhad (or has turned)...and a general cry of go home already is being shouted.

All in all an occupation force like Danys would start well but because its not made up of locals it would quickly sour as some resisted...then for ever guerilla you kill you make two more....its just the way it works.

 

[Koopa]

I know people where celebrating vecause Hussein was gone, (the Koerds ) who in the 4 countries they live are exploited (by all the rest of the popultion) especially, but that does not mean the overall people santed the US to be there.

And yes in Afghanistan too there where some allies wich is only naturally, there are always those who disagree with the ruling class, and those allies where the ones who because of the strict and too-severe laws from suppossedly (that what they want ppl to belive anyway) the koran, where suffering, but in general the overall poulation never wanted the US there, they have to make do now that they are, but they rather kick the whole lot out and be done with them. And they are kicking the US out of there as well, in a different way that they kicked the Sovjets, but slowly but certainly the US is getting there arses kicked, and it is but a matter of time for the deathtoll of the constant rebel attacks becomes too high and they decide to boot it.

Dont belive for a second that the majority of the ppl there applaud the US for being there, or 'liberating them', as the Modern age Bush Crusade wants all to belive. the truth is the US are desperately trying to hold on to there military superiority, and they are failing, ecomomically they have lost much of there power to Europe and Asia(China/Japan) already and they are starting to be caught up in the other areas as well.

I for one find it ironic that they prohibit the Asian lands to have Neucliar power when they themselves have it, what do they expect, it is only natural that they will not accept US dominion. I doubt any of those countries are stupid enough to actuallt use in war, hell the only county to ever use it was the US and they are even now using neucliar type bombs, perhaps not the atombomb, but bombs of neucliar origine nonetheless.

If they wanted to do anything useful, perhaps they should put Israel in there place, those guys seem to be gtiingaway with everything simply because there jews. They stole the country from the Palestinians, they are bringing those said palestinians into poverty by taking in the best lands, and all the strategic positions, and not only that over time they went over the boundaries of Palestina and usurped land of there neighbours. Then they attack the people whom they have stolen the land from and wonder why-o-why they ever rebel against that, and then attack some more, meanwhile never following a UN-resolution and going there jolly way in more warfare and killing and wondering why people get angry for doing that. Dont think i have a problem with jews, i dont, i think the world would be better of without religion but that is beside the point, i do have a problem with Israel, that country should not exist, and after the britons gave it to them, they should have at least stayed in the set boundaries, but no that they could not even though and went warfaring.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Kiwi...I was on the ground in both places as HUMINT during the early stages. Its what I do for a living. Trust me when I say, our (read US) allies have turned and are turning on us. Regardless of that, we did have allies...substantial ones at that.

There are so many things wrong with what youve typed I wont even get into it. Send me a PM if you want specifics...this is getting way too heavy for the message board.

 

[the smiling weirwood]

Oh, dear....I was just thinking along the lines that if Dany aligned herself with Dorne and some other major house, the war would be halfway won...After all, the Vale, Dorne, and the Iron Islands are the only regions not substantially weakened by the war and who are not occupied enough(Highgarden with said Iron Islands).

 

[Dolorous Edd]

Oh, dear....I was just thinking along the lines that if Dany aligned herself with Dorne and some other major house, the war would be halfway won...After all, the Vale, Dorne, and the Iron Islands are the only regions not substantially weakened by the war and who are not occupied enough(Highgarden with said Iron Islands).

That's a point, anyone think that Lysa's stubborn refusal to send her levies to the aid of her family wasn't actually just the product of her psychotic need to protect herself and her son, but rather the whisperings of Littlefinger, who wanted the forces of the Vale untouched so that he could negotiate/command from a strong position once the dust settled?

 

[Trey Greyjoy]

Man, Im confused. Where are we and what conclusions have we come to????

 

[Boaz]

DE, I like that thought. I had always just viewed Lysa's neutrality from Catelyn's perspective... an insecure, paranoid, insulated, delusional and over protective mother. And that may well be the case, but thinking that Baelish used Lysa's motivations for his own benefits makes much more sense.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Ah geez, is this more of the "Littlefinger is a closet Targ supporter" line of thinking? ...of course if he is that makes the war for reclaming Westeros a moot point....Dorne and the Vale could slice off most of the continent before anyone realized it. And then theres the dragons....

 

[Boaz]

I was not thinking in terms of Baelish's motivations, (I'm not sure if he is flying solo to reintroduce the Dragon and rule as the power behind the throne or if he actually wants the throne for himself) I was just thinking of his methods.

 

[the smiling weirwood]

Did everyone else just now realize this?!?

 

[the smiling weirwood]

Ah geez, is this more of the "Littlefinger is a closet Targ supporter" line of thinking? ...of course if he is that makes the war for reclaming Westeros a moot point....Dorne and the Vale could slice off most of the continent before anyone realized it. And then theres the dragons....

This is exactly what would happen! Dany's ascension would be a cake walk! The only forseeable problem(aside from her completely dropping the ball and forgoing the Dorne alliance) is if Petyr opposed her, assuming Sansa hasn't gathered the reins by then and he is still in power.

 

[Dolorous Edd]

Ah geez, is this more of the "Littlefinger is a closet Targ supporter" line of thinking? ...of course if he is that makes the war for reclaming Westeros a moot point....Dorne and the Vale could slice off most of the continent before anyone realized it. And then theres the dragons....

Petyr is not a Targ loyalist. he's not a stark or a lannister or a tyrell or a greyjoy or even a moonboy loyalist He serves only his own ambitions, and they know no limit. He is, in his own way, just as stubborn and intractable as Stannis. Both are fettered by their own inadequacies, the real or imagined slight of being viewed as lesser men by their peers - Petyr probably even more so than Stannis, for the only mark against Petyr's drive and intelligence is his relatively humble birth, which has for so long hindered his progress, marked him down as nothing more than a "clever coin-counter". Stannis WAS a lesser man than Ned or Jon, and I’m sure he knows this.

Petyr has seen this civil strife coming for a long time, helped to bring it to fruition. It is the best chance he will ever have to really rise above his station, to make himself a man eligible to marry hoster tully's daughter - never mind the fact he's nearly 20 years too late. He will not back down for anything now. Ultimately, that will be his undoing.

 

[TK-421]

Yes, DE, you have a good point but I also think that Littlefinger will throw his support wherever the wind is blowing. His ambition will get the best of him and he is not as adept as Varys to be a power behind the power. Unless, Sansa kills him, which I think is a likelihood.

As for Stannis and whether he will cause Dany any real opposition as suggested earlier, I don't see it happening. Melissandre will kill Stannis is favour of Jon (wild speculations abound...).

Dany is showing to be somewhat of a good judge of a person's character and could well favour those on the losing side: the North, the Riverlords, etc.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Well of course Dany isnt going to ally with the Lannisters...that just makes no sense.

Heres how I see the conversation between Jaime and Dany

"Umm hi Dany, listen I know you heard people call me the Kingslayer...but thats a misnomer...you see Im more accurately called the Kinlayer....well I shouldnt have to spell that one out for ya"

<crunch!!!> A huge dragon maw descends and swallows Jaime whole.

 

[Trey Greyjoy]

I worry about Tyrion and Jaime meeting again, with or without Dany. One of the few truly good and pure things about Jaime was the love he had for his brother.
With all of the emotional energy expended and manipulated to go through Jaime's "redemption", I would hate to have it culminate in Jaime sliding down a dragon's gullet.

 

[TK-421]

Agree...that would not be a fitting end for Jaime who has become one of my favs. I do hope he and Tyrion are re-united but I fear they may be at opposite ends of a battlefield.