Conspiracies in Secrets

MythingLink

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Starting off here with an episode full of little conspiracies ... well I think so anyway but then most of you already know I'm nuts. (Mel Gibson's character in Conspiracy Theory doesn't have anything over on me. ;))

Who leaked the info to Armin Zelig and, more importantly, why? Anyone think that there are 'civilians' involved here who want to get control of the Stargate for monetary means and by letting the cat out of the bag, more or less, the American people would demand that the Stargate be opened up to commerce?

Who killed Armin Zelig? Was it an accident like Hammond says it was? I don't think so, but what does everyone else think?

Cheers,
 
armin zelig? that reporter in..... uhhmmmm.... secrets?

well yeah like hammond did say 'It was an accident' but in Touchstone the 'spiracy was believed to be a civilian operation so maybe these 2 are related?

i think we will have future episodes on this, for sure!
 
i think Jack checked for his pulse, dunno can't remember.... Mything would know!

i still can't wait for another cool civilian operation (has to involve Harry too :))
 
Conspiracies

Here`s my take on it:

Armin Selig`s death: I reckon it was someone from the NID who leaked out the info, perhaps Maybourne. Could`ve also been someone at the SGC who, like Kinsey, wasn`t too in favor of the Stargate.
Hammond probably told his superiors about Selig`s knowledge of the Stargate Program, But I don`t think he was directly involved in Selig`s death. Although O`Neill`s actions in

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Chain Reaction does show that otherwise good people such as he and Hammond are capable of playing it dirty, although I don`t think either of them would kill to keep the Stargate secret.


Here`s one quick Q. Who leaked the info to the Conspiracy chat room on the internet where Martin found out about the Stargate in "Point of No Return"? Was it the same people who told Selig about the Stargate? Was it a hacker who broke into the online NID message boards? Or was it an NID or SGC traitor who decided to reveal the Stargate program?

So many questions, so few answers, so many more questions waiting in the wings.

As *someone* once said: "It`s a desperate man who searches to find the answers to all the questions, it`s a sad man who does find all the answers to all the questions."
 
US Government

Everyone's always saying that your (USA) government is behind most of the popular conspiricy theories/plots, so perhaps it is all an elabourate disinformation procedure to make the Stargate programme a non-secret, scoffed at by all those 'in the know'; ie Area 51/Roswell?

Possible?

The USA is the land of opportunity :)

KernalK
 
the infor being leaked could be traced back to an almost endless supply of sources. how about people who transfer out of the sgc...there have to be some. or how about in ITLOD when 200+ Nasyians were sent to the air force academy hospital...no one asked where all these strangers came from...in colorado? geez, 200+ funky people with weird tattoos on thier faces showing up with multiple traumas and no one asked? military hospital or not, someone will spill.
how about something as simple as a nurse reading mackenzie's files from back in season 1?
or the guards never gather at the local bar and start talking a little too loud about all the people that come and go?
in a nutshell, with a faciltiy as large as the sgc, and considering the joint chiefs and their staffs know about it, there are 1000's of sources for the info to come from.
 
It like the old saying...The best way to keep a secret is to tell only one other person...and then kill them..:)
 
New Conspiracy Theory

I'm targetting this post to "MythingLink" in particular because of his comment that "Mel Gibson's character in Conspiracy Theory doesn't have anything over on me." Although, anyone who's into conspiracy theories might be interested in this one. I'm a bit of a conspiracy junkie myself and strongly believe in quite a few of them - especially the ones where "the government is out to get us"! This has nothing to do with Stargate SG1 but it is my own personal conspiracy theory and is based equally on fact, experience, conjecture and my suspicious mind. It starts with some information I obtained from an audiocassette taped lecture by Dr. Robert C. Beck at an alternative health conference. The gist of the information is that GARLIC IS BAD FOR YOU! According to Beck, he has scientifically proven that garlic is a brain poison and harmful to our intelligence. I've transcribed the segment from the tape and will quote it verbatim below. As for my personal conspiracy theory on the subject, I theorize that the government has conspired to suppress this information in an effort to keep a large portion of the population "DUMBED DOWN" - specifically those who eat and supplement with garlic! Why would they want to do that you might ask? It is easier to CONTROL and manipulate a less intelligent population. Garlic is just one of many substances and programs the government employs to accomplish their agenda of creating a weak, stupid, dependant, brainwashed and controllable population. I could rant on about this for much longer but instead I'll present the transcript where this garlic info originated. Please note that this was a 5 minute long, ad lib, anti-garlic statement by Dr. Beck made during a 100 minute lecture on the health benefits of Electro-medicine. For more info on him and these therapies, please refer to the following website - http://www.sotainstruments.com/

Excerpts from A lecture by; Dr. Robert (Bob) C. Beck, D. Sc. Whole Life Expo, March 1996, Seattle WA

"...The reason garlic is so toxic, the sulfone - S U L F O N E - hydroxyl ion does penetrate the blood/brain barrier just like DMSO and is a specific poison for higher life forms and brain cells. We discovered this much to our horror when I was the world's largest manufacturer of ethical EEG biofeedback equipment. We'd have people come back from lunch that looked clinically dead on an encephalograph - which we used to calibrate their progress. Well, what happened? Well, I went to an Italian restaurant and there was some garlic in my salad dressing! So we had 'em sign things that they wouldn't touch garlic before classes or we were wasting their time, their money and my time. I guess you - those of you who are pilots or have been in flight tests - I was in flight test engineering in Doc Hallan's group in the fifties. The flight surgeon would come around every month and remind all of us - don't you dare touch any garlic seventy two hours before you fly one of our airplanes because it'll double or triple your
reaction time. You're three times slower than you would be if you had had a few drops of garlic. Well, we didn't know why for twenty years later until I owned the Alpha-Metrics Corporation - we were building biofeedback equipment and found out that garlic totally desynchronizes your brain waves. So I funded a study at Stanford -
and sure enough they found that it's a poison. You can rub a clove of garlic on your foot - on the sole of your
foot - and you can smell it shortly, later on your wrists. So it penetrates the body. This is why DMSO smells a lot like garlic - that sulfone hydroxyl ion penetrates all the barriers including the corpus callosum in the brain. Any of you who are organic gardeners know that if you don't want to use DDT, that garlic will kill anything in the way of
insects. Now, most people have heard, most of their lives that garlic is good for you and we put those people in the same class of ignorance as the mothers who, at the turn of the century would buy morphine sulfate in the drugstore and give it to their babies to put 'em to sleep. And after the Harrison Act - that was outlawed. Someday garlic will be outlawed. When you see what it actually does to your body - I know some of you don't believe me, some of you are vegetarians and you think garlic is good for you. Just know that no Ashram in India will permit garlic on the premises because they know how stupid it makes the people. Even the Church of Scientology, heaven forbid, would keelhaul anybody who brought any garlic or any garlic salt or any salad dressing with garlic onto the ships - the Diana, the Apollo. And garlic is strictly forbidden in many of the places of higher learning. Now you don't want to hear this but it is true. You'll find that this is absolutely a fact. If you have any patients who have low grade headaches or attention deficit, they can't quite focus on the computer in the afternoon, just do an experiment - you owe it to yourselves - take those people off of garlic and see how much better they get, very very shortly. And then, let them eat a little garlic after about three weeks. They'll say - My God, I had no idea that this was the cause of our problems. And this includes the de-skunked garlics, Kyolics,
some of the other products. Very unpopular, but I've gotta tell you the truth ..."

I know this post is running a little long so I'll leave it at that for now and see what kind of responses I get. Let me finish by saying that nearly everyone I know who has heard this tape has made a serious effort to give up or at least cut back on their garlic consumption. Also, I've sent a copy of the transcript and cassette tape to Nexus Magazine http://www.nexusmagazine.com/ and they printed the transcript in their "Letters to the Editor" section. So far, all of the feedback from the article has been supportive of this Anti-garlic information. Judge for yourself! gfps
 
PFFFFFTTTTTT!!!!!

Allright!

And I thought I WAS the conspiracy theorist fruitcake!

Garlic! <munches a huge clove>

Ackkkkk oh GOD! I just felt my brain disintegrate! I am now ready to serve the government no questions asked!

What, is the author of that study in the Vampire Militia?!?!

lolololololol!
 
"out there"

Dearest "ms." Black Dove:

I'm guessing by your "love" of Daniel J - that you're a female.

I would like to thank you for taking the time to read my garlic story. Whether you agree or not (obviously NOT by the reply you posted) I've accomplished something by putting the information "out there" for you to decide for yourself.

Maybe, someday you'll be sharing a ceasar salad with a friend and blurt out "you wouldn't believe the anti-garlic crap some conspiracy theorist fruitcake posted on web last week". Maybe your joke will touch a nerve with that friend and they'll want to find out more about why they suffer from memory loss and can't concentrate at work after that ceasar salad. Maybe, just by putting this information in your mind, you'll be able to help someone in the future - even accidentally. Maybe that friend will tell 50 others and they will tell even more and this is why I've posted this information. So again, thank you.... gfps
 
Sheesh!

No comment on the garlic thing, but hey! Here's a conspiracy! Somebody explain why the New Zealand TV authorities have neglected to show us the new (new?? -- it's about three seasons old!) opening credits for Stargate. We are currently in Season Four, and still they use the ancient Season One opening credits where the camera pans up the Egyptian statue of Ra or whoever. Every time I see it I think to myself, "Why don't they make some new opening credits?" Now, I just downloaded the first episode of the second season, The Serpent's Lair and hey, guess what? It has some really nice opening credits (that incidentally show off Amanda Tapping really well ;) -- how come we never get to see them in NZ? I have to wonder, wouldn't it be actually more trouble to insert the old credits into new episodes? What the devil is the point? Also leads me to wonder how old the "new" credits I've just discovered are...have they changed again? What are the Season Four ones like?
 
gfps,

Thanks for the info on the garlic....quite interesting....I suppose everyone will be thinking everytime they have garlic from now on "I wonder if this stuff does make me dumb?".....so yes, you have acheived something, even if some don't belive, they are thinking about it and may say something to someone else.
I am open minded to most things in life so I will take on board what you have said about garlic and think about it.

I have been thinking about the episode 'Secrets' for a while now and have always wondered who was responsible for the death of the reporter....it has bugged me for ages.
As someone else put down in another thread, there are so many people in the wings that are involved in the Stargate project that it would be all most impossible to keep it a total secret...many would have wives or husbands and a stray word here and there would surely get out....even the U.S president could of let something slip as Monica or any other were "pleasuring him".....it might have just slipped out....no pun intended.
Do you think that these leaks to the press will be explored in future episodes...I hope so.

seand.
 
now that would be one heck of a 'leak' to the press....;)

don't care about garlic...if it makes me dumb...oh well so will my sister bashing me over the head with a flower pot.


as to the opening credits...there are 2 versions. the mask pan is used on the showtime orignal versions while the montage is used on the syndicated version...i mean i watched all of season 3 last year on showtime and saw the mask...now when i see it in syndi it's the montage...

want to talk about a conspiracy...and this is a real one...in ww2 the japanease were experimantiing with putting bombs under huge balloons and launching them knowing the prevaling winds would carry them to the us...they never heard of any succeeding so they stopped...
the truth of the matter is one of them did make it. it was tragically doscovered by a church group...somewhere in the pacific northwest...really can't remember the state right now, killing about a dozen people...the only civilian casualities of ww2 on the continental united states...but no one knew aobut it until after the war was over because if they had publicized it the the japs would have known their plan succeeded and they would have launched more bombs...

and y'all can look it up, cuase it really happened.
 
I really don't know if that counts as a conspiracy -- it was war-time for heaven's sake! Nothing in war-time is a conspiracy; it's just one more tool to beat the enemy.

Thanks for the info on the opening credits; rather ruins my NZ government conspiracy theory idea though...

By the way, whatever can be conspired about will be conspired about, and in the worst possible way.
 
Opening titles?

There are new different opening titles?

SKY one in the UK has been showing the same deathmask ones for 5 seasons!

BTW, Anyone seen series 5, is it me or was that a short season?

Kernal K
 
Judging from the Stargate SG-1 episode downloads that can be found here, the new credits started from the second episode of the first season, The Enemy Within, and were revised slightly as time went on. We just don't get to see them, because they're cool and you never get to see the cool things (coz it's a conspiracy you know)...
 

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