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Does anyone have any opinions on Data's emotion chip? Did you think it added or detracted from the character?

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how come the html that works in my e-mail did not work in the above post? what am i doing wrong?

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little star :)
 
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Hi Little Star, your no bother :)

When you try and post gifs or pics on this board you have to always enclose them with image tags.

Go down to the bottom of this page and click on the vBcodes link and it will explain it to you much better than I can.


As for Data's emotion chip hmmm I much prefer him without it he is more likeable when he is naive but then thats just my personal opinion.
 
for what it's worth, i prefer data without the emotion
chip too, he's more likable...peachy
 
Better without it.

But it did allow him to get all those jokes he'd missed over the previous 10 years. I thought it was worth giving him it just for that plotline alone.
 
I thought the character was more likeable without it, too. It was disturbing to see him cowardly and anxious in "Generations". Plus after all those years of Data wanting to be more human, it seemed almost anticlimactic. That one episode of TNG where "Q" momentarily gave him the ability to find something funny and laugh was just enough for me.

little star :)
 
me too little star, i like data strong,
and fearless...peachy
 
I thought Data was much better with his emotion chip, i especially liked his 'lifeforms' song
 
as much as data's emotion chip provided a few laughs and plot twists in "Generations", it provided one of the main plot scenes in "First Contact", between Data and the Queen. I thought these were good scenes, and the queens attempts to corrupt Data with "sins of the flesh" were excellent :D
 
Hahaha, I had to laugh again when I read muzungu writing of this little song "lifeforms" in 'Generations'.
Just had an idea. Could me call "Mister Tricorder"!

I liked Data much more without the emotionchip, too. Yes, it made some laughs but it's terrible watching him as a little child that wets his pants when some Borg are coming, 'First Contact'.
Greetings
 
i loved data's lifeforms song as well, it was really funny...peachy
 
Yes it was! But I think it's as funny as the scenes when Data tries to be more human. Like when he tried to understand what humour is...
That was great...
 
Data: I believe I am feeling...anxiety. A curious sensation
Picard :perhaps you should turn off your emotion chip
Data: ...done
Picard: Sometimes I really envy you, Data

that was funny, a little humour was needed at that point..


I feel looking back, that Data was a little too naive when TNG first started, after all he was supposed to have been through the academy, and had previous postings, so surely he would have learned a few things my the time he got to the Enterprise...
 
I think you're right! But I think it takes little time to understand such a charakter. Chris Judge was uncertain in the beginning too if people would acept his character. So we need a few episodes to get along with it!
 
Originally posted by summershake
I think you're right! But I think it takes little time to understand such a charakter. Chris Judge was uncertain in the beginning too if people would acept his character. So we need a few episodes to get along with it!
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I agree. Data's naivete when TNG started was probably necessary to introduce the viewers to what his character was going to be all about. His character was particularly effective in making us question what it means to be human. There is a lot that we take for granted, and don't usually question. Do we take full advantage of our humanity, or do we usually plod along, just as programmed as Data, only in a different way? I always admired how Data aspired to be more than his programming. Even though he wasn't sure it was possible, he still tried! A very admirable quality!! What would happen if we did the same?

Although I must admit, I thought "How true" when Picard commented in FC "Sometimes I envy you" (concerning Data's ability to shut off his emotions). The good and bad aspects of emotions are really just two sides of the same coin, I think. We're willing to experience the good parts, but try to run away from the bad ones. The Vulcans are an interesting species because they learned to control their emotions rather than being controlled by them.

sorry I'm going on and on...

little star :)

BTW, summershake, I'm so glad you posted in the ST section!
 
Hi Little Star!

Wow, I totally agree with you.
We don't think about what makes us beeing human, but we learned more about our own behaviours watching Data imitate it. But he only tries to imitate our good behaviour, humour, love, special love to music or art!
But he ignores our bad behaviours in that point. Beeing human and having emotions means also having fear, beeing aggressive, rage,....
That emotions we have to control! And that's not easy! But Data can just switch his emotion chip off. Sometimes we would like to do so , too...
 
The reason that Data's character was so childlike at the begining would have more to do with Brent Spiners' interpretation than the plot. Actors in long-running series always turn the characters into something more like them, or at least more like something which they enjoy playing after a while.

Data was based on the character in another Gene Roddenberry TV programme about an Android, which I can't remember the name of, but which was obviously the blueprint. In that the Android was very naive. In the TNG setting he should not have been so naive really, because we later found out that he had served in Starfleet since 2342, or 22 years before he joined the Enterprise. He would have picked up some life experiences in that time. But the writers in season 1 didn't know this yet.

A good book that covers the philosophy of artificial humans, among many other things is "IS DATA HUMAN? The Metaphysics of Star Trek" by Richard Hanley (Boxtree)

The film "Blade Runner" also has Androids who want to be human. This message has not been lost on those developing so-called artificial intelligence. Dr. Anne Foerst, an AI researcher at Massachusetts Institute of Technology uses Blade Runner as a teaching aid. She said in a news article "The movie raises this wonderful question: how do humanoid creatures feel about having been created by us and how do they deal with their human-made limitations?"
 
Blade Runner is a really good film, exporing those issues you mention.."the light that burns brighter fades faster...any yours has burned so very brightly" (cant remember the exact quote, but you know the one I mean!)

Its really good to see that AI researchers are looking into these kind of issues, the rush to make an artifical human can be blind to the consequences of that action...
 
The Questor Tapes.

I've remembered the name of the TV movie with the android like Data. It was called the Questor Tapes. Gene Roddenberry created it in 1974 as a two part TV pilot. It featured an android on earth looking for his creator. To raise money for his travels, the android visits a casino and wins money playind craps- exactly like the scene in TNG "The Royale".
 
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