Star Trek steals from Stargate!

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OK, has anyone read the summary to the latest ST:Voyager? The crew is stranded on a planet, they get their memories wiped and replaced with new ones, they eventually find each other (again)...sound like 'Beneath The Surface' to you?!
*And people say that nothing new comes out of Hollywood!*
 
i remember a star trek movie, that reminded me of BNS..... but anyway.... i'm outa my league here.... posting in the general discussion......
 
Hi

The latest ST:Voyager does look like it is very simmilar to Beneath the Surface.

SPOILER

However I'm not sure whether Voyager is copying Stargate or whether it is the other way around, because SG-1s fate in Exodous looks very similar to Voyagers in Caretaker.
 
well stargate has been rehashing st plots for years so it's about time they share...
100 days/kirk, mirimani one
replicators/borg
and others i can't pull out of my head right now
 
I remember reading somewhere that there is no such thing as a new storyline - all stories have been told already. What we do is to tell the old stories in new ways. If you think about it there are very few original scenarios: ie boy meets girl; evil is among us; redemption; etc. What is new is how we tell and interpret these themes. That's why you will find similarities between many of the shows that you see and even within a show. What keeps us watching is not the story itself but way in which it is told.
 
I agree with you Squirt, The story of good vs evil is always retold in all sorts of different ways that there never really is a new story, just an old one told from another perspective, with different characters in space and time.
It all sounds too deep for me at this hour....old or new story line, I love the Stargate story.
seand.
 
Squirt is correct

Here I go again with my "as a writer" line, but, as a writer I can tell you that, no matter how original you think your story is at the time you write it, you will always have someone read it and tell you it's a rip-off of something that you've never heard of in your life.

It happens to me all the time. I think my novel, Ravaj, is probably one of the more original sci-fi books I've managed to get my hands on, but the general idea is fairly cliched by now. It isn't so much what you tell, but how you tell it. If you tell an old story in such a way that your version is not even recognisable, or with an original perspective or twist, it will be extremely successful. Essentially, there is no such thing as an original plot. I don't believe that Stargate and Star Trek plagiarise ideas, probably not even in a very superficial way, although I wouldn't be at all surprised to know that the writers watch each others' shows, just as I read other sci-fi writers' books. However, if plagiarism does occur, it is either because Michael Greeburg said "Hey, wow, what a cool idea Ronald D Moore had! I bet that I could turn that into a really awesome Stargate episode" or vice versa; or they saw the show, thought that it was a cool idea and, when writing an episode for their own series, subconsiously integrated the concepts into it. I know what this is like; I have done it many times, and it isn't until later that you read back and suddenly think "Man, how could I now have realised what a blatant rip-off that looks like?"
 
As long as it's good who cares?
And most of their ideas are ripped-off science fiction books in the first place anyhow.
Also these same things were said when Babylon 5 and DS9 first started. If you watch both first seasons there are so many similarities that someone must have been copying someone else.
 
but isnt imitation the sincerest form of flattery?...


but i agree... the basic plot has been told a zillion times over.. its the way that plot is wound together that makes or breaks the show/story...
what's really amazing is how since all basic plots are the same, or at least many are, that some people can like one story, and other people can hate it, but like another story with the same plot!...

i just read a long fanfic the other night and really enjoyed it, and then later realized that i had written a fanfic several months ago with some similarities!.. not that i cared!.. i liked the one i read the other night better!...
 
i've done that. i wanted to write one where sam went blind...so far i think i've read 3 or 4 others where she gets sightless...oh well, might finish mine someday...

if i remember correctly there was a lot of flack on behalf of st if i remember right about b5 stealing their general idea, i think paramount even tried to shut them down...then i'm assuming they got a load of the show and realized they were different...though they did sorta end the same, sinclair becomea a 'god' valen and sisko becomes a 'god' whatever his name is...sorta anyway.

someone once said there were only 6 plots in the universe and everything is a spinoff of them.

how about moira in farscape being a sentient ship and whatever its name was in tinman in tng...same basic plot device...
 
well i just finished watching the voyager epi and even if writers are subconsiously using each others ideas this was a rip off!!!!

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when tuvok was shouting that they had to remember it was exactly the same as when teal'c did it
it ok if you share common threads and ideas but this was ridiculous

anyone else see voyager??

besides stargate did it way better!!!
 
so did they have chakotay & janeway exchanging goo-goo eyes?

i'm so far behind on voyager i just fast forwarded through one where the ship is trapped in a void...now there was a battle star galactica eps like that...now that'll age me for sure.
least it didn't end with anyone getting married.

don't know about the rest of you guys but when janeway started in on 'i've been reading through ther federation charter to see if there's leeway...for them becoming piates i guess, i just hit the fast forward...janeway's morality is often delivered with a sledge hammer and gets to be too much sometimes
 
Aren't alot of Star Trek plots rehashed from old Star Trek plots anyway?

Stargate manages to do it with much more interesting characters anyhoo!!!

Voyagers beyond its sell-by date. I think Robert Beltrans unhappiness has spread and they're all just goin thru the motions.
 
well when they started runnind the 'the last season' promos i cheered...that'll tell ya something.
same with x-files though doggett is starting to grow on me a bit...i love how scully's growing into her own though the whole alien baby thing had me screaming no, no, no at the tv set last may...
 
Gee, what happened to that spoiler space?

Well, no offense skydiver, and not like I really care a huge amount since I always read the spoilers anyway, but that "alien baby" thing could really have made you some enemies. I mean, scenario:

You're a huge X-Files fan living in South Africa, and you're reading through the posts, when suddenly you see Scully and alien baby in close proximity to each other, and there's been no spoiler warning! How likely are you, considering the ready availability of illegal sniping weapons in South Africa, to hunt down this individual going by the name of "skydiver" (by perhaps some passive hacking involving tracing her IP, and then going on from there), and having a roofside incident?

I know most people read the spoilers, even though they see the warning and they might not have yet seen the episode, but it's a courtesy thing. I presume it was an honest mistake though, and everyone is entitled to those. I don't mean this post as flame; actually, I'm testing a Microsoft Natural Keyboard for my boss, and I'm finding it's actually quite good; maybe 100 wpm with 80% accuracy...
 
I know what's going to happen next!

I don't mind it when one shows "borrows" part of a plot idea from another show/movie/book. What I DO mind is when they copy it so closely that I can accurately predict the ending! Conversely, it really blows my mind when they can come up with an ending that totally surprises and amazes me. Sci-fi is great that way because the possibilities are only limited by our imaginations - ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.

Unlike crime dramas and action/adventure shows where you can think "NO WAY CAN YOU DO THAT" if they get too far fetched. For instance, in sci-fi the alien weapons can fire unlimited shots without question but I'll change the channel if they do the same thing with an MP5 or P90. (check out my P90 postings under "New guns for the SG1")

I'm a sci-fi junkie myself and have probably watched thousands of combined episodes of Star Trek, Stargate, Battlestar Galactica, Lost in Space, First Wave, Farscape etc.... if you're reading this YOU know what I mean! I love them all, but after a while the storylines get blurred and tend to overlap between series/episodes. I don't mind it as long as the plots are well crafted, the sets are well designed, the scenes are well acted etc... I watch so many each week that I probably couldn't remember what shows I saw yesterday, but I'll always remember an episode that I've aready seen if it gets repeated.

I especially like shows with plotlines regarding human shortcomings, moral messages and reminders that our species has MUCH room for improvement. The sci-fi genre is uniquely capable of presenting this information in an entertaining (WOW, they're SO right!) kind of way.

Getting back to the issue of the outright stealing of plots from other shows, I think its wrong (and worse, LAZY) if they do it on purpose but, like the_Brainz said it probably happens accidentally most of the time. Like I said before, the plot possibilties in Sci-fi are as limitless as the Universe and with the fantastic writers that are working in the entertainment industry right now, I'm sure there will always be something entirely new and amazing every week!

On a totally unrelated subject, please check out my posting under the thread "Stargate for Guys & Girls" titled "Tapping a male point of view". I have presented a possibly contoversial opinion and am curious as to whether anyone else shares this opinion? gfps
 

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