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Hey Rowan! You weren't kidding about knowing your military!!

I rememeber "Shades of Grey". When Jack is relieved, and Col. Makepeace takes command.
Daniel asks Hammond why Sam can't take control, to which Hammond politely replies "Major is a far cry from Colonel".

Sam didn't seem that upset about being over looked. She obviously knows she's not upto that level yet.
 
S&J

Oh, there's ways to do it, all right, but not under military law. The Air Force advisors on the set would come unglued.

That's the problem when you want a show to be as accurate as they want it to be. You find yourself stuck in a corner sometimes.
 
The military

21+ years of the US Army will teach you a lot. Both my parents and my uncle were Navy in WW II, my husband is Army [Special Forces, Airborne Long Range Recon Scout] and my son is about to join the Navy.

I made 'fast track' myself in the promotion business. I made E-8 [Master Sergeant/1st Sergeant] in 15&1/2 years. A pretty fast clip for an enlisted female. It's usually closer to 18 years or so.
 
Re: The military

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21+ years of the US Army will teach you a lot. Both my parents and my uncle were Navy in WW II, my husband is Army [Special Forces, Airborne Long Range Recon Scout] and my son is about to join the Navy.

I made 'fast track' myself in the promotion business. I made E-8 [Master Sergeant/1st Sergeant] in 15&1/2 years. A pretty fast clip for an enlisted female. It's usually closer to 18 years or so.
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You DO know your military! You're surrounded with it!!!:D

My Great Grandad was in the British army, another Grandparent was in the British Airforce.
I myself, joined the army cadets when I was younger, however I discovered a future in the military life wasn't for me. (As much as I enjoyed the assault courses and target practice, I love my hairdrier and beauty sleep too much!;) ) Plus, you got a lot of hassle of the boys.
 
Maybe in season six, they could promote Sam (I don't know how yet but...) then give her, her own team, then the fraternization regulations wouldn't come into play here, right?:cool:
 
Promoting Sam

Sorry, Arc-Angel, but it's not really about rank, it's all to do with assignment and position. The military won't accpet a relationship between two people in the same immediate command chain [like a team] and are very unhappy about it even being in the same command [like SGC].

The chances of a relationship with military approval would require at least one of the two certainly leaving SG-1. And no, promoting Jack to General and putting him in charge of the base would be an even bigger 'no-no' because *everybody* stationed at the SGC then becomes under his chain of command. More likely one leaving SGC entirely.

The fraternization regulations in regards to rank come much more into play between officer and enlisted. For example, Jack and a female Sergeant on another team.

That's the way the military works. Period. End of situation.
 
Well maybe in season 5 if it does turn out to be the last, they will save the universe & they will no longer need SG1 & jack will finally enjoy retire with his lovely wife Sam who goes on to be the most famouse & accomplished Astrophysisist or what ever she's into.
 
pity :(

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The rules may seem to suck, but in the larger view they are in place for good reasons.

In the real world, it is rare the person who can keep their personal life and professional life completely seperate. The natural concern for a significant other could compromise the other members of a team, no matter how unintentional.

A classic example if from a DS9 episode where Worf and Jadzia were sent on a mission together. Jadzia was injured. That was more important than the mission. As cold as it sounds, the mission must come first. The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few.
 
Yay, but Jack would never let Sam concern herself about him more than a mission & most likely visvirsa...of course it is tv...real life sucks, eh.
 
I think what it comes down to is that. . .

Jack and Sam are both career military. They've volunteered to live that life. They have agreed to abide by the rules and limitations that life in the military requires.

They know why the rules exist. They know the consequences of breaking them. And believe me, it's not just the possible threat of courts-martial or transfers that keeps them from crossing the line.

Military rules and regulations are not arbitrary. They are fundamental to good military discipline and readiness.

While in my head, I believe Sam and Jack are destined to be together, it just will never happen within the confines of the show. It can't. Not while they are both still at the SGC. To have that happen would be to have Jack and Sam sacrifice the code they have chosen willingly to live by. I for one, would not like to see that happen.

Thank goodness for fan fiction, which doesn't need to conform to the standards of real life. And thank goodness for a team of writers who have managed to give us some really creative episodes so that we get to see what might have happened with Sam and Jack, were their circumstances different (TBFTGOG, PoV, WoO, BtS)

Just my point of view on the whole 'can they or can't they?' discussion. And a BIG THANKS to Rowan, for your knowledgeable insight into the topic of inappropriate professional relationships.

<Climbing off my soapbox>, Arcane. . .
 
I think it's one of the things I do like about Stargate. The adherence to what really works with the military. I see so many shows that ignore military rules and regs it makes my teeth hurt.

I'm former Air Force, so I pay more attention to the little things I suppose.
 
Originally posted by Gemsong
In the real world, it is rare the person who can keep their personal life and professional life completely seperate. The natural concern for a significant other could compromise the other members of a team, no matter how unintentional.

A classic example if from a DS9 episode where Worf and Jadzia were sent on a mission together. Jadzia was injured. That was more important than the mission. As cold as it sounds, the mission must come first. The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few.
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Great example, Gemmy!! I've never served in the military, but I do like how the PTB play it as close as they can to the real thing. I love the dose of realism that it gives the show.

Arcane. . .who meant to shout out to Gemmy too, when she (Arcane) was up on her soapbox last night.

P.S. They say (you know, 'them') that the genius is in the details.
 
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