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well if i remember correctly raditz was a weak warrior and if raditz was below a average saiyan then the average sayian would be above 1300 so around 2 to 3 thousand so both races would be about the same and then the to strongest warriors would probably fight it out and vegeta would win.
 
Originally posted by prince vegeta
well if i remember correctly raditz was a weak warrior and if raditz was below a average saiyan then the average sayian would be above 1300 so around 2 to 3 thousand so both races would be about the same and then the to strongest warriors would probably fight it out and vegeta would win.
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Keep in mind though that the only people who refer to Radiz as a weakling are Vegeta and Napa, and every other member of the Saya-jin race was a weakling compaired to either of those two.

...and we don't know that Radiz was weaker than the average Saya-jin warrior, simply because we don't see any other Saya-jin warriors other than Goku, Vegeta, and Napa. Vegeta and Napa are stronger than everyone else in their race, and Goku was one of the weakest members of their race.

Also, even if what you said about Radiz was true, why do you asume that being above 1200(Radiz was at 1200, not 1300)would automatically out them at 2 or 3 thousand? Why not somewhere in between?

Something you have to remember...the Saya-jins as a race are born warriors who strive for power, but that does not automatically mean they are superior to all others. Simply being agressive and wanting strength doesn't mean that there isn't another race out there who isn't as agressive that may be stronger.
 
hey i only said that the sayian race was better than the rest because after every fight they become stronger and what other race can do that as good as they can no one, so that is the only reason that i said the sayian race is better and you turned it all around with namek and all of that other ****.
 
I started with the Namek stuff because you claimed that Saya-jins are teh most powerful race, and that's wrong.

...and another thing, the average Saya-jin warrior never got any kind of real significant powerup. How does Goku or Vegeta gain so much power from battle? They fght in a form, push themselves to their limits, get the **** kicked out of them, th healed.

This does not happen with average Saya-jins.

Freezer wants jos done right, so he'll only send Saya-jins to planets he knows they'll be able to handle. So basically they never fight anyone they can't beat.

Second, no Saya-jin ever fought alone. They always fought in groups, no one warrior getting teh full impact.

Third, if by some chance things got really rough, they would just go Ozaru and win easily.

Conclusion: The average Saya-jin warrior had no advantage that gave them power.
 
you said that they had no real advantage but you just named like three of them in your little speech and that is why i said and will always say the sayian race is the strongest and you can't change that no matter how hard you try so stop throwing your useless facts at me because they are infact USELESS.
 
read thread...seems Spider's got his facts straight, not usless...
 
Originally posted by prince vegeta
you said that they had no real advantage but you just named like three of them in your little speech
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Read those three again. They are what prevented the Saya-jins from gaining large amounts of power.

and that is why i said and will always say the sayian race is the strongest and you can't change that no matter how hard you try so stop throwing your useless facts at me because they are infact USELESS.
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All of your posts say that Saya-jins like Vegeta are among the most powerful people around. That is true, and nobody is denying it. What you have to understasnd that when talking about how strong an entire race is, the strength of one single person does not strengthen or weaken the race as a whole. The only way Vegeta's strength would effect that is if Vegeta's strength was an example of the strength of most members of the Saya-jin race.

So basically, the only way that Vegeta's strength could effect this in any way would be if most of the Saya-jin race is of equal strength.
 
well you find the average of a race by putting all of the power levels together and dividing them by the total numer and that way i believe the saiyan race would be strong and would you like to have al of you warriors around the same power level or would you like to have 1 or 2 strong ones and them a much of weak ones. so the disadvantages you name were infact advantages because they were trying to make the others strong but still have someone there just incase the other race was stronger than normal that was all they were doing.
 
Originally posted by prince vegeta
well you find the average of a race by putting all of the power levels together and dividing them by the total numer and that way i believe the saiyan race would be strong
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Yes, but the answer you come out with will not nesessicarily be a high number. Add up all of the various PLs of each Saya-jin in the entire race, then divide that number by however many billions of Saya-jins made up their race, and you could very well get a number lower than a thousand.

and would you like to have al of you warriors around the same power level or would you like to have 1 or 2 strong ones and them a much of weak ones.
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I personally would keep several calibors of fighters, different levels of fighters to handle different levels of threats(specialty teams, if you will). However this is not how Saya-jins think. The personal goal of each and every Saya-jin is to fight and become stronger. The problem lies in the fact that they use the methods I described earlier, and that sevearly limits how much power they can gain.

so the disadvantages you name were infact advantages
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Not if they wanted power they weren't.

Group fighting: no one person does enough to gain much of anyhting

Assigned opponents: only fighting opponents who Freezer knew they could beat ensures that the Saya-jins would not have to work all that hard anyway, and thus not gain power.

Ozaru: transforming into their giant ape stage multiplys their power by ten, but this means they will have to work even less to win, plus the fact that the entire power boost of Ozaru disapears once they revert back to their normal form.

...tell me how any of these are advantages to a race who wants nothing more than to gain power.

because they were trying to make the others strong but still have someone there just incase the other race was stronger than normal that was all they were doing.
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That's what the Nameks situation was(Nail, as opposed to the normal Namek). That makes sense for a race such as the Nameks who are peaceful, but not for a race like the Saya-jins who send each and every one of their members out to fight till the death.
 
you know this has been fun but has last to long so lets just say i like the saiyan race and you like the nameks so lets just leave it at that because i am getting bored with all of this who is stronger **** so good fight and enjoy your nameks.
 
Originally posted by prince vegeta
you know this has been fun but has last to long so lets just say i like the saiyan race and you like the nameks so lets just leave it at that because i am getting bored with all of this who is stronger **** so good fight and enjoy your nameks.
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*sigh* We may as well stop. You've managed to entirely miss the point of the debate the entire time anyway.
 
yeah well i have a life and do not sit and watch dbz all day long although i do like to watch the show but not 24/7 like you like to so it is pointless to continue with the argument.
 
Originally posted by prince vegeta
yeah well i have a life and do not sit and watch dbz all day long although i do like to watch the show but not 24/7 like you like to so it is pointless to continue with the argument.
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Are you really this petty? This has never been a personal arguement between you and me...at least for me it hasn't.

The thread was never about your views on Vegeta, the thread was about you returning and thinking you're god's gift to anime. You made some totally bull **** statements, and I pointed out how you were wrong. Instead of admiting that your not perfect, you continued to throw the same **** out again and again.

You made statements, and you backed them up with nothing more than outrageous claims rooted in your own opinions of who is cooler than who. I made statements, and actually backed them up with facts that can be prooven. Big difference.

Every now and then, you said something to the regard of "well forget you i'm right and you're info is useless!!!". Wanna know why I think that is? Because you know that whatever bull you spout, I can proove you wrong. But instead of sucking it up, you procede to act like an immature child.

does this mean you've finally stopped?
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Provided that "prince vegeta" doesn't feel the need to make himself look foolish yet again by trying to get in the last word, yes.
 
oh you better believe i will look foolish because i enjoy getting people mad or i enjoy trying to get them mad since spider is just so cool so you can say all you want but i will never die and i live to make people mad and then their judgement goes right out the window and when that happens i got you so once again i am being foolish but i know that it will never bother me.
 
Originally posted by prince vegeta
oh you better believe i will look foolish because i enjoy getting people mad or i enjoy trying to get them mad since spider is just so cool so you can say all you want but i will never die and i live to make people mad and then their judgement goes right out the window and when that happens i got you so once again i am being foolish but i know that it will never bother me.
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If this is how you get joy out of your life, then you truely are one sorry pathetic little boy. How old are you anyway?

Contrary to what you may believe, the internet does not exist so that people can act like dicks. The internet exists so that people all over teh world can comunicate as easily as if they lived in the same town as eachother. If you use it to piss people off, you misuse it.

You can continue to taunt and spam and flame, but it will never actually benefit you in any way. You will build up a negative reputation amongst your peers, and you will never come out on top. You will have no friends, and you will always be wrong.

...and dont bother with any of that **** about not caring what people you talk to over the computer think of you or what you say. If that load of bull was in any way true, you wouldn't even bother with MBs anyway.
 
oh i am 16 and i don't make fun of everyone just people who disagree with me and that just happens to be you so to make it funner to me i make fun of you so i do have many friends that believe it or not i am nice to and i don't care what you say because you probably live on the other side of the world and you and i will never meet so why should i care what you or anyone else says.
 
Originally posted by prince vegeta
oh you better believe i will look foolish because i enjoy getting people mad or i enjoy trying to get them mad since spider is just so cool so you can say all you want but i will never die and i live to make people mad and then their judgement goes right out the window and when that happens i got you so once again i am being foolish but i know that it will never bother me.
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Making people mad by insulting them is not acceptable here. Please go and do it somewhere else. This is your last warning. Thread closed.
 
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