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I felt kinda' sorry for T'Pol after that.
I've found out that the reason 'Fusion' was re-titled from 'Equilibrium' in January was to avoid a conflict with the DS9 episode of the same name. Apparently, past ST shows have also sought to ensure non-duplication of previous episode titles - no easy feat considering more that 500 have been made to date. I can think of a few though - 'Emissary' being one, and if you count films, 'First Contact' is another.
PS. Still haven't seen this ep yet!
PS. Still haven't seen this ep yet!
A good episode, definitely setting some path for the Vulcans to be changed in some way by I assume humans in a future series. I don't think that the Tuvok era Vulcans would have considered the renegades dangerous.
The scene with T'Pol was pretty close to attempted rape I would guess, the guy even describes it as "intimate" and seemed to be the culmation of what he had been geering up for in a rather sleezy ish way. No wonder Archer was a little angry
Anyone want to explain to me who Vulcans see their family as opposed to other people. Why does Kov's father care if he talks to him? And did he say "shame on 10 generations".. or what word did he use? how could it be anything buy emotion?
The scene with T'Pol was pretty close to attempted rape I would guess, the guy even describes it as "intimate" and seemed to be the culmation of what he had been geering up for in a rather sleezy ish way. No wonder Archer was a little angry
Anyone want to explain to me who Vulcans see their family as opposed to other people. Why does Kov's father care if he talks to him? And did he say "shame on 10 generations".. or what word did he use? how could it be anything buy emotion?
Good point, Padders -- it was 'brought shame on 15 generations', and shame sounds like an emotion to me.
Just saw it, and I liked the episode, I think they are getting better as we go on.
I'm not sure I like all the subtle reworking of TOS standards, such as the mind-meld having been a forgotten practise, but it is certainly interesting.
The Mind-meld was definitely forced on T'Pol, she was resisting, but he carried on violently. This should have been treated much more harshly, Archer should have informed the Vulcans and had him prosecuted.
It has also been compared to 'Violations' TNG which did end in an arrest of the mind-rape Ulian.
Just saw it, and I liked the episode, I think they are getting better as we go on.
I'm not sure I like all the subtle reworking of TOS standards, such as the mind-meld having been a forgotten practise, but it is certainly interesting.
The Mind-meld was definitely forced on T'Pol, she was resisting, but he carried on violently. This should have been treated much more harshly, Archer should have informed the Vulcans and had him prosecuted.
It has also been compared to 'Violations' TNG which did end in an arrest of the mind-rape Ulian.
I did mean the Vulcan High Command. I guess you are right, if these Vulcans have broken away from the official Vulcans, the High Command would have no power over them.
But, the Vulcans on the ship might also object. They still follow the teachings of Surak, only a slightly different interpretation. I've just been reviewing 'The Savage Curtain' TOS with Surak's first appearance in Trek. As a man of peace, he is prepared to die rather than to fight. This mind-meld was a very aggressive, violent attack and would be totally against his beliefs.
Since, I watched this episode though, I've noticed that usually all the mind-melds are forced upon the individual. I think we only remember 'Sarek and Picard' in 'Sarek' TNG, and forget about 'Spock and Kirk' in 'The Paradise Syndrome' TOS or 'Spock and Valeris' in 'The Undiscovered Country'. Those are very violent.
Maybe that's why the mind-meld was a forgotten practise, maybe it was something that Surak banned from use.
But, the Vulcans on the ship might also object. They still follow the teachings of Surak, only a slightly different interpretation. I've just been reviewing 'The Savage Curtain' TOS with Surak's first appearance in Trek. As a man of peace, he is prepared to die rather than to fight. This mind-meld was a very aggressive, violent attack and would be totally against his beliefs.
Since, I watched this episode though, I've noticed that usually all the mind-melds are forced upon the individual. I think we only remember 'Sarek and Picard' in 'Sarek' TNG, and forget about 'Spock and Kirk' in 'The Paradise Syndrome' TOS or 'Spock and Valeris' in 'The Undiscovered Country'. Those are very violent.
Maybe that's why the mind-meld was a forgotten practise, maybe it was something that Surak banned from use.
Yes Ray, I think it's a very deliberate theme too. They want her to slowly develop an understanding of humans and human values, to eventually take our side in any Vulcan-Human discussion.
I can see it ultimately leading up to something later on in the series, probably to do with the formation of the UFP.
When I heard that Braga and Berman had some long story arcs planned from the beginning, I didn't really believe it. But they have been true to their word so far, the 'Temporal Cold War' has been unfolded in a very clever way IMHO. So, this may be another of their ideas, and I think you agree that it was this kind of long-story-arc that was missing from the earlier series.
I can see it ultimately leading up to something later on in the series, probably to do with the formation of the UFP.
When I heard that Braga and Berman had some long story arcs planned from the beginning, I didn't really believe it. But they have been true to their word so far, the 'Temporal Cold War' has been unfolded in a very clever way IMHO. So, this may be another of their ideas, and I think you agree that it was this kind of long-story-arc that was missing from the earlier series.
All of the other series, from Spock in TOS, through Data and Seven of Nine, have had a theme like this somewhere. But this is the first time it is being done deliberately and step by step.
It is making the whole thing a lot more coherent. They can keep the Temporal stuff. The intermission episode to remind us about it was pretty weak. But the T'Pol stuff is good, so far
It is making the whole thing a lot more coherent. They can keep the Temporal stuff. The intermission episode to remind us about it was pretty weak. But the T'Pol stuff is good, so far
Confusing
I'm not sure what to make of this episode. It explains more about the Vulcans. But what the **** was with that "sexy sax". It's bad enough they have to stoop to including a gratuitous sex scene, but that music really was overdoing it!
I'm not sure what to make of this episode. It explains more about the Vulcans. But what the **** was with that "sexy sax". It's bad enough they have to stoop to including a gratuitous sex scene, but that music really was overdoing it!
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