Hatshepsut
WELCOME HOME, DR. JACKSON
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Oh you wag, Texane! 
Bright and colourful too - I like that And I'm with you all the way there - well, most of it anyway.
Well said, lass!!!
Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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Did you like him??
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Oh you wag, Texane! Bright and colourful too - I like that And I'm with you all the way there - well, most of it anyway.
Well said, lass!!!
Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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Marty's Mine
Jr Bourne.....phwoah
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i just have to say that i personally love jonas, hes not dannys replacement but hes great.......i hope he gets the chance he deserves (imho)
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I've got a question ...
Just a bit of trouble with this one Annie:
How can a person who is considered a traitor by his own government [as stated in "Shadowplay" this Friday] be considered a 'diplomatic representive' by either out government or theirs?
The only way I can see him staying her is he's asked for 'political asylum' and it was granted. As to him being in the employ os the US Government, I haven't a clue. I'm sure he lives on base and his basic needs are provided by the USAF, the same as any base airman would have.
A comment: I've been willing to 'go with the flow' on this character. I've handled the ' Daniel's office', 'coffee cup' and the 'journals' with tolerance, but the 'fish' were pushing my last straw.
If they move him into Daniel's apartment, I will *not* be a 'Happy Camper'.
If they want to man to be his 'own character', than make him so. They do the actor, the character, the show and the fans a diservice by anything else.
Rowan
Originally posted by Anni
Ah...... but *is* he being actually 'employed' by the US government? I rather get the impression that although he has sort of defected to earth, he actually ends up staying as a diplomatic representative rather than an employee. And as such, they might waive the 'belonging to an SG team' issues in order to use whatever expertise he may have.
I'm not saying this is the case.... I suppose I am playing Devil's Advocate here really and putting out possibilities.
Just a bit of trouble with this one Annie:
How can a person who is considered a traitor by his own government [as stated in "Shadowplay" this Friday] be considered a 'diplomatic representive' by either out government or theirs?
The only way I can see him staying her is he's asked for 'political asylum' and it was granted. As to him being in the employ os the US Government, I haven't a clue. I'm sure he lives on base and his basic needs are provided by the USAF, the same as any base airman would have.
A comment: I've been willing to 'go with the flow' on this character. I've handled the ' Daniel's office', 'coffee cup' and the 'journals' with tolerance, but the 'fish' were pushing my last straw.
If they move him into Daniel's apartment, I will *not* be a 'Happy Camper'.
If they want to man to be his 'own character', than make him so. They do the actor, the character, the show and the fans a diservice by anything else.
Rowan
Hatshepsut
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Re: I've got a question ...
Hm, well they did that when they alienated M.S. in the first place.
And how come they can pull out all the stops for da Noo Guy, when they couldn't do same for Daniel Jackson.
Let's face it, so long as the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ roll in, T.P.T.B. don't really give a sh*t, do they? :dead:
Love,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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Hm, well they did that when they alienated M.S. in the first place.
And how come they can pull out all the stops for da Noo Guy, when they couldn't do same for Daniel Jackson.
Let's face it, so long as the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ roll in, T.P.T.B. don't really give a sh*t, do they?
:dead: Love,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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Patiently Waiting For A Reason To Care
Coming from S4 to S6 I have no history for Jonas before "Redemption." I've been mulling over his character ever since. It isn't so much why should Jack or Sam or T'ealc care about him, or why should Hammond give him a place on the team. Why should I care about him? What makes any of us care about a character?
So far, Jonas has been overly eager to please -- understandable under the conditions presented -- but it isn't winning me over. He has shown a heroic side, but mostly to gain a place on the team. I didn't see a genuine life-risking desire to save his friends, just a need to prove himself.
The tough choices still aren't there. Consider "New Ground" when 3 of the team are prisoners. Daniel's interrogator fires at Sam and Jack; a second shot will kill them. Daniel knows this and has to choose between allowing them to die or giving up the existence of T'ealc, blinded and hiding in the woods. Jack's training is to make those tough choices, but Daniel's is not. Yet he holds his ground, refusing to acknowledge a 4th team member -- and the questioning ends in the nick of time, of course.
What would Jonas do? We don't know and so far the writers haven't placed him in a situation where he has to make a difficult choice that is not to his own benefit. Consider all the situations that the team has been in -- capture, interrogation, torture, isolation, only one outcome possible and it isn't a good one -- and then imagine how Jonas might handle it. Regretably not much comes to mind.
I need to see how the writers choose to use him. It might be interesting to have him as an uncertain element, but then there's no way he could be on the SG1 team. He has blithely won the grudging respect of the SGC, but after all the writers can control the reactions of the other characters. There is no such control over the audience.
So, to like Jonas Quinn, what's my motivation?
Originally posted by Hatshepsut
The point is that T.P.T.B. have chosen to present Quinn as totally undesirable. They didn't have to; it was a free choice.
Now, they're piously demanding that we play fair and give him a chance to prove himself.
Why should we? If they wanted us to like him, why in Heaven's name didn't they depict him in a more favourable light in the first place? They could have done that - couldn't they?
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Coming from S4 to S6 I have no history for Jonas before "Redemption." I've been mulling over his character ever since. It isn't so much why should Jack or Sam or T'ealc care about him, or why should Hammond give him a place on the team. Why should I care about him? What makes any of us care about a character?
So far, Jonas has been overly eager to please -- understandable under the conditions presented -- but it isn't winning me over. He has shown a heroic side, but mostly to gain a place on the team. I didn't see a genuine life-risking desire to save his friends, just a need to prove himself.
The tough choices still aren't there. Consider "New Ground" when 3 of the team are prisoners. Daniel's interrogator fires at Sam and Jack; a second shot will kill them. Daniel knows this and has to choose between allowing them to die or giving up the existence of T'ealc, blinded and hiding in the woods. Jack's training is to make those tough choices, but Daniel's is not. Yet he holds his ground, refusing to acknowledge a 4th team member -- and the questioning ends in the nick of time, of course.
What would Jonas do? We don't know and so far the writers haven't placed him in a situation where he has to make a difficult choice that is not to his own benefit. Consider all the situations that the team has been in -- capture, interrogation, torture, isolation, only one outcome possible and it isn't a good one -- and then imagine how Jonas might handle it. Regretably not much comes to mind.
I need to see how the writers choose to use him. It might be interesting to have him as an uncertain element, but then there's no way he could be on the SG1 team. He has blithely won the grudging respect of the SGC, but after all the writers can control the reactions of the other characters. There is no such control over the audience.
So, to like Jonas Quinn, what's my motivation?
It probably doesn't help the writers that his character is supposed to be young for the position in government that he previously held. He's smart, but with no street smarts. He doesn't even begin to know how to branch out - he just keeps looking for something new to read.
personaly I love him. i think he's a great character. he really makes me laugh though, in redemption when he's just standing on the ramp looking at the ceiling and in nightwalkers when he's just eating a lollipop, it just cracks me up. me and my sis were rolling round the floor. LOL. i don't think he will ever replace daniel, but i don't think he's trying to he's just jonas a totally different person. plus he's mega hot.
Yup, I totally agree with Kitty. I kinda liked Jonas from the beginning, (not just the cute smile) I saw him as a way to integrate a new angle, he's kept me intrigued for a few episodes (he's also been totally wasted in a few too!). I miss Daniel, but am glad they seem to be taking Jonas in a different direction, I hope they don't drop this idea with the news that Michael Shanks has signed up for series 7. There's mileage in Jonas Quinn, I hope they don't waste that opportunity.
cheers
Mish
ps just my humble opinion, no offence intended
) I saw him as a way to integrate a new angle, he's kept me intrigued for a few episodes (he's also been totally wasted in a few too!). I miss Daniel, but am glad they seem to be taking Jonas in a different direction, I hope they don't drop this idea with the news that Michael Shanks has signed up for series 7. There's mileage in Jonas Quinn, I hope they don't waste that opportunity.cheers
Mish
ps just my humble opinion, no offence intended
i'm fairly ambivalent in my feelings toward jonas. what i do find disturbing, however, is the near pathological hatred some people seem to have for him. i can't fathom why mature, intelligent adults would feel the need to produce "jonass" cartoons
( http://cartoons.ashtonpress.net/startoons.htm )
and jonas maiming fanfiction (there are unfortunately quite a few of these but one of the worst examples is the following:
http://www.thealphagate.com/stories/Canto.asp ).
scary stuff.
shanilka
( http://cartoons.ashtonpress.net/startoons.htm )
and jonas maiming fanfiction (there are unfortunately quite a few of these but one of the worst examples is the following:
http://www.thealphagate.com/stories/Canto.asp ).
scary stuff.
shanilka
i also consider the source.
no, some of what's out there is out right ugly...but there's this annoying little thing called freedom of speech. The same thing that gives me the right to assemble, also gives someone else the right to print porn.
everyone has the right to speak up, some just use it more responsibly than others
no, some of what's out there is out right ugly...but there's this annoying little thing called freedom of speech. The same thing that gives me the right to assemble, also gives someone else the right to print porn.
everyone has the right to speak up, some just use it more responsibly than others
You know Skydiver? You are absolutely and totally right. I have now taken to wandering fandom, to see what this whol fiasco is about and I have found that fandom 'is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and thunder, signifying nothing!' - with apologies to Shakespeare.
The more postings I read, the more I realise just how tedious the whole bloody commotion is.
It's a bloody Television show for pity's sake....just what part of that statement are many people - and there are a heck of a lot of them - failing to understand?
Stargate is a show. If you watch it in the way it was meant to be watched, as a piece of entertainment, then it shouldn't matter if the whole bunch of characters got their asses blown out of Cheyenne Mountain and replaced with a whole new set of characters. The concept would still be there. Without the concept, there would be NO team. End of story.
I thought Jonas was okay. He wasn't Daniel, but then I didn't expect him to be. Daniel ascended......everything moved on and Jonas moved in, yet we have had Jonas bashing cartoons, Jonas maiming fanfics, hatemail between fans....dammit, the lines drawn between Daniel fans and everyone have even indirectly affected other actors. There's a whole nasty bunch of stuff going on out there among fans and to tell the truth..........
It's STILL just a TV show.
I don't know why I'm so annoyed at the whole thing, and I'm annoyed that I AM annoyed. I am not aiming this at anyone in particular at all here, in fact I'm just ranting I guess, but for some of those folk, the phrase 'Get a life' leaps to mind.
The more postings I read, the more I realise just how tedious the whole bloody commotion is.
It's a bloody Television show for pity's sake....just what part of that statement are many people - and there are a heck of a lot of them - failing to understand?
Stargate is a show. If you watch it in the way it was meant to be watched, as a piece of entertainment, then it shouldn't matter if the whole bunch of characters got their asses blown out of Cheyenne Mountain and replaced with a whole new set of characters. The concept would still be there. Without the concept, there would be NO team. End of story.
I thought Jonas was okay. He wasn't Daniel, but then I didn't expect him to be. Daniel ascended......everything moved on and Jonas moved in, yet we have had Jonas bashing cartoons, Jonas maiming fanfics, hatemail between fans....dammit, the lines drawn between Daniel fans and everyone have even indirectly affected other actors. There's a whole nasty bunch of stuff going on out there among fans and to tell the truth..........
It's STILL just a TV show.
I don't know why I'm so annoyed at the whole thing, and I'm annoyed that I AM annoyed. I am not aiming this at anyone in particular at all here, in fact I'm just ranting I guess, but for some of those folk, the phrase 'Get a life' leaps to mind.
:rolly2: :rolly2: :rolly2:
Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you, mighty voices of sanity and of reason. I thought I was alone in my acceptance of the limitations of a TV show.
Increasingly, I've been unsubscribing from threads where the "idiot factor" had risen to unacceptable levels. I refuse to do the writers' job for them by creating elaborate subtext to fill in a plot hole or an inconsistency from the film to the series, nor will I try to argue with those who insist on a perfect understanding of alien biology/technology in what is patently science fiction entertainment.
It doesn't have to make perfect sense, and the cast is what it is. Chant the mantra entertainment value and get on with life.
(I shall now descend from my soapbox :smilej
Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you, mighty voices of sanity and of reason. I thought I was alone in my acceptance of the limitations of a TV show.
Increasingly, I've been unsubscribing from threads where the "idiot factor" had risen to unacceptable levels. I refuse to do the writers' job for them by creating elaborate subtext to fill in a plot hole or an inconsistency from the film to the series, nor will I try to argue with those who insist on a perfect understanding of alien biology/technology in what is patently science fiction entertainment.
It doesn't have to make perfect sense, and the cast is what it is. Chant the mantra entertainment value and get on with life.
(I shall now descend from my soapbox :smilej
i've found myself reaching the 'i don't give a damn' level.
It IS just a tv show.
Yes, i have fun trying to explain plot oops. I like watching a show and then using my imagination to fill in what i see as missing scenes.
I like the trivia part of it, and yes, i did get a kick outta going to colorado springs and driving by the real cheyenne mountain.
I love to speculate on spoilers, although i've learned the hard way that what i cook up in my mind is usually not what the show's writers do, and if i do it too often, i'm usually disappointed.
I've certainly been no angel, and i do sometimes let my irritation get the better of me...but when i look at what i've done online, or the stories i've written, well there are some things i'm certainly not proud of, but there's nothing i'm ashamed of.
Right now, season 7 just doesn't look like something that's gonna appeal to me. From the spoilers i've read, they're taking the show in a direction that does not match my tastes. Cest la vie.
I'm gonna watch, i'm gonna get what i can out of it...and if a friday comes when i forget to put the tape in the vcr and don't care...then i know it's time for me to move on.
It is just a tv show...and there'll be others, there'll always be others.
At the end of the day, i've made friends, i've grown as a person and as a writer and i'll always take that with me
It IS just a tv show.
Yes, i have fun trying to explain plot oops. I like watching a show and then using my imagination to fill in what i see as missing scenes.
I like the trivia part of it, and yes, i did get a kick outta going to colorado springs and driving by the real cheyenne mountain.
I love to speculate on spoilers, although i've learned the hard way that what i cook up in my mind is usually not what the show's writers do, and if i do it too often, i'm usually disappointed.
I've certainly been no angel, and i do sometimes let my irritation get the better of me...but when i look at what i've done online, or the stories i've written, well there are some things i'm certainly not proud of, but there's nothing i'm ashamed of.
Right now, season 7 just doesn't look like something that's gonna appeal to me. From the spoilers i've read, they're taking the show in a direction that does not match my tastes. Cest la vie.
I'm gonna watch, i'm gonna get what i can out of it...and if a friday comes when i forget to put the tape in the vcr and don't care...then i know it's time for me to move on.
It is just a tv show...and there'll be others, there'll always be others.
At the end of the day, i've made friends, i've grown as a person and as a writer and i'll always take that with me
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