Dialing home-problem!

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Hey everybody,
Now as we all know (or should know), in the movie, Daniel very conveniently discovered Earth's address on Abydos, providing a way home for O'Neill and the gang. But what if you weren't so lucky? What if over the millennia you lost your planet's address? Would there be a way to find out using your own gate?
Raptor
 
As far as I know it would just be hit and miss, When Daniel discovered the last past of the cartouche missin gon Abydos I'm sure I remember him saying basically, thats it then, we ain't going home.

Gypsy
 
Still, you'd think a race advanced enough to build a Stargate would be smart enough to include something that tells you your own phone number...
Raptor
 
a) it also seems to go against the current theory that the POO is pretty much irrelevant

b) in the film there were only a few new symbols on the gate - they could have tried a few different ones until they got a radio signal through [of course in SG-1 the gate is probably the same as Earth now... :rolleyes: ]

c) all of this ignores the MUCH bigger problem of how they dialled in the first place - no power and no DHD (at the time)
 
Are you talking about how they managed to get the gate to work in the first place? Power wise? Once Sam had "myguyvered" (love that line) the computersystems and energy release clips into the gate, it was only trial and error that hindered them. As long as they had the energy reserves to power the gate, the computer was basically dialling up "manually". Which is why it took so long for the gate to dial up, it was just like them dialling manually on Ernests world. I am assuming they used robotics in the engineering so the computer could complete such a task.

What do you guys think?
 
Originally posted by shazstar
Are you talking about how they managed to get the gate to work in the first place
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Er no, I was talking about Abydos, and how they dialled home from there, power-wise.

On Earth, they have their DC electricity, fed through those great red clampy things... and yes, they have eother installed some small motors to spin that wheel, or have worked out how to interface to the dialling system (e.g. radio frequency, modulating the power, etc.). Since they didn't have the DHD, I am guessing this was not how they did it, and just have motors. After all, they HAVE also installed the iris (which must have motors somewhere) and also the detection system that lets them know that there is a "traveller en route".
 
Au contraire - you are forgetting that Sam was ecstatic at first finding the DHD on Abydos... it had been "missing" from Giza but she had predicted a dialling device of some sort.

Most importantly, it was missing from Abydos in the film, and I think Daniel explains they found it shortly after Jack returned home (or similar).
 
I'm not sure(I'd download the episode again but "there are too many connections on this account"), but in 48 Hours, doesn't the gate emmit impulses that mean different things like incoming travaller and unknown gate error? All you really need to dial in is a power source and enough strength to turn the inner ring...(?) But I really don't know how they dialed back to earth in the movie. I would've suggested that maybe the Abydos gate drew power from Earth when they dialed in in the first place, but then they would've been able to just dial manually back in "Prisoners".

~Shu Hunter
:upto: stargate fan{atic}
 
Originally posted by shu_hunter
I'm not sure but in 48 Hours, doesn't the gate emmit impulses that mean different things like incoming travaller and unknown gate error?
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Aha - would that be series 5? I am so far behind some of these technical theories because I have not yet seen any of those episodes yet (and about 6 weeks before I get the first batch).
 
Not sure about the rest of it but to the own phone number post. Ra left that. It was the cartouche. It had earths address on it. The only problem was the last glyph was broken so I think the leaving an addy point is sort of moot.

Gypsy
 
I'd probably go as far as to argue that... ;)

Given where the engraving was found (i.e. hidden in the caves away from the reach of Ra, hidden by those preserving the true history of the Abydonians) I think it is truer to say that the Earth prisoners created / hid the cartouche.

Same for the one Daniel deciphers - it was on a coverstone, used to bury the gate - AFTER Ra has been over-thrown.
 
I wasn't sure on that point. As there were Horus statues in the cavern too I assumed that it was left overs from Ra and was actually supposed to be hidden from the Abydonians to avoid them having anything to do with anything other than the spoken word. It seemed like Sha'ure was scared to tell Daniel about it and that the abydonians had discovered the place by accident.

Gypsy
 
perhaps the statues were there to scare any locals that found it.. so that they wouldn't realize what was happening to them.
 
Originally posted by BC-Lord-Gypsy
As there were Horus statues in the cavern too...
Gypsy
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I think basically it is just one of those big continuity things.

In the film, the gate is in a "temple" like the great pyramid at Giza (as Daniel explains), totally devoid of decoration and writing. By the time we get to the start of COTGs, we have a pretty different layout, though similar in general terms.

The Horus statues of course were in the cartouche room, which was somewhere else on Abydos - since it Daniel a month to find the place.
 
Yes, of course. But the cartouche showing the broken sequence for Earth was hidden in some bricked-up caves. Not the cartouche room.

The cartouche room was found a month AFTER Jack had returned to Earth (Daniel says so in COTG, and it is one of the questions on AusGate!! ;) ) and it also adds a convenient and much needed explanation of how the gate system can go to other places, which was missing in the film. :rolleyes:
 
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