What makes for good horror?

I like to be scared witless, blood and gore don't bother me.I can only think of one King book that made my skin crawl and that was The Stand.James Herbert on the other hand has given me nightmares.The Rats trilogy, the Fog and The Dark all gave me sleepless nights.
 
I think there is a big difference between horror novels and films in books suspense is critical slowly building up to a climax, getting chased for a hundred pages by some monstosity does nothing for me but small glimses of unknown and unseen horrors drawing ever closer makes a good horror and H.P.L. was a master of this. On the other hand this type of climatic suspense does not always cross over well to films and I quite like some of the silly but grotesque slasher flicks although Freddie does nothing for me
 
There should be an evil cult/religious group. An invisible enemy which no one believes exists (Satan has to be the best enemy in this case, or some demon). The protagonist must have a nasty boss who only cares about his own career/future and doesn't give a damn about anyone else but himself (cue the senior detective/police captain who is only interested in being promoted).

There must be secret societies/clubs. And the typical murder victims; the high school cheerleader, the jock, the geek, and the teacher assuming the story is set in a high school like Sunnydale High from Buffy.

There also have to be villains covering up for the bad guy (Satan/Alien emperor) by hiding evidence.

These are the kind of elements I prefer in a horror story. The story itself, must have a lot of twists and turns, and it should not overdo the description. Some horror writers use far too much detail and needless description. Some is nice, but it's best just to get to the point.

Also, sometimes an unhappy ending is best, or at least a cliffhanger. I am not a fan of Disney style happiliy ever after endings.

And mystery is good. I like unanswered questions, not every plot hole should be filled.
 
Wow IAN thats specific . . . I think the scariest horror is the "well jeez that could happen!!" it freaks me out.

And a good twist that isn't obvious but on second reading you slap your head and think how did I not see it coming!!
 
I think good horror is subtle. It builds slowly, and then pays off in the end. I mean, reading a book isn't going to literally "scare" me. Good horror will give you a creepy vibe. Unsettle you a bit. Get inside your head and make you think. Like a lot of Lovecraft's work, as well as Poe's. A Good Man is Hard to Find by Flanney O'connor is an excellent example of a good horror story, though it is not marketed as such. I think O'connor had to many "literary" pretensions to ever debase her work by labelling it "horror". But a lot of her work contains elements of horror.
 
I'd agree. But then, horror and humor are often so closely allied (HPL's claims to the contrary notwithstanding). Certainly it plays a heavy role in Bierce's horror tales, not to mention L. P. Hartley's -- especially "The Travelling Grave", which has got to be close to a perfect example of structure, modulation, and artistic restraint, allowing the humor of the telling -- and an almost surrealistically asburd premise -- suddenly, at the final line or two, to become one of the most chilling climaxes in all fiction.
 
Never heard of The Travelling Grave or Hartley, but I'm interested now.
 
Leslie Poles Hartley (1895-1972) mostly noted as a humorist, wrote quite a few notable terror tales, most of which were collected together as The Travelling Grave, published in America by Arkham House. This volume contained not only the title piece, but "A Visitor From Down Under", which Lovecraft praises in his Supernatural Horror in Literature; it's a story that, to me, has all the eeriness and bizarre distortion of a fever dream, and is quite brilliant. All of these were brought together in The Complete Short Stories of L. P. Hartley in 1973, a volume I've seen in both hard and paper, and not that infrequently in second-hand stores. Highly recommended.
 
I find suspense to be an invaluable part of any horror story, although add to that either inability to act whilst knowing whats going on, or that the horror's cause is unknown.

I like to stick on the more realistic side of things and find that something that could possibly happen, more frightening that something that will not happen.

Referring to an earlier post, I found James Herberts the Rats, very scary as a kid and just as disturbing as an adult re-reader.

I do like a twist, but not too much. I would prefer the twist halfway through a book rather than to undermine my entire journey through the story. That would only serve to make me feel like a fool.

JMHO
 
j. d. worthington said:
I'd agree. But then, horror and humor are often so closely allied...
And sometimes forcefully bundled as is the case often with the short stories of Robert Bloch who quite obviously comes up with the corny punchline first and builds the story around it :)
 
I'd agree that in your face blood and gore is not frightening. I might be startled but not frightened the first time but after that I tend to skim the pages. Stephen King did do a wonderful job of turning the mundane and commonplace into creepy terror until the giant spider or hand of god came along and ended things in a rather un-creepy fashion.

But I do like his work and that of James Herbert. Both of them write of things we are all familiar with - rats, dogs, death, deep-rooted fears and prejudices - but they turn them around and make us look at them from a different angle. Herbert always has me watching the corners where the shadows lie heaviest.

Another kind of writing that really gets to me more than anything else perhaps, is small variations on the absolutely normal. Lovecraft's non-Euclidean architecture is one such thing.

In Shirley Jackson's Haunting of Hill House we have a house that seems to be perfectly normal. Walls meet other walls at right angles and doors shut perfectly; yet there is something there that walks alone and it is frightening.

Lovecraft on the other hand had walls that did not quite meet at right angles and people who did look quite alright. You may not have been able to say exactly what was wrong with the building but you knew all the way to your bones that it was wrong and did not belong to anything you could even begin to understand. The fear is somehow so much greater for seeing the absolutely mundane twisted ever so slightly.

A twist works sometimes for instance in Shirley Jackson's Lottery. I didn't see that coming at all. The tale begins with everyone gathering as if for some fair or a picnic and being all excited and talking and laughing and ends with such a terrible thing. And the way she wrote it lulls the reader into this warm comfortable place from which you suddenly get jerked out.


 
I agree heartily with your impressions on the scare effect of Lovecraft and Shirley Jackson. Non-Eucleidean architecture manages to make me jump every time :)
 
I wonder, though, how many are confusing startlement with genuine horror or terror, the latter of which tends to have an element of awe to it, while the other, as Ravenus so aptly puts it, makes one jump. It seems to me that may be one of the problems with defining what makes good horror fiction; some see it as "horror" (rather than terror), which has more of the element of startlement, repulsion, something unpleasant; others use the term more in the sense of (as Karloff, who intensely disliked the term horror, would have phrased it) terror, that which chills, has that "creep factor", and elevates. There is, as Burke pointed out over two centuries ago, an element of the sublime to the best tales of terror -- they elevate the mind, and expand one's perceptions; whereas horror tends to contract the focus on objects or incidents that are "scary", but on a much more "earthy" level. These tend to be more gruesome by their very nature, and generally require a less refined imaginational response, therefore they tend to be somewhat less popular overall.

Myself, I vastly prefer the terror tale to the horror tale, though I have a strong liking for both (as long as the horror tale is well done and doesn't rely strictly on gruesome details, bloodletting, rotting corpses, repulsion, etc.). So perhaps the distinction might help to clarify things a bit?

(N.B.: I consider Lovecraft, despite some reliance on the physical aspects of horror -- though even here I'd say, from a close reading, he was intending them as symbols rather than just as visceral nastiness -- to be more in the camp of the terror tale rather than horror per se.)
 
I can't believe I didn't think of this before. David Lynch. There's a man who craft a good horror tale. Just take Mulholland Drive for example.
 
Two things matter to me. Character development and descriptive writing. If characters are well developed I'm more likely to care for them and fear for them. Then, of course, good descriptions of things...be it a gloomy castle, a ghost town, gruesome deaths, or the terror a character is feeling are what make a horror tale satisfying to me. The time period and place can flavor the story one way or the other but it won't decide how much I like it.

lol, actually after reading what I just wrote up there I had a "no duh" moment. These rules apply to any genre.
 
If you don't mind me asking, where exactly in Kentucky are you from?

I'm curious because I grew up in Paducah.
 
Horror, now that is a very loaded subject.

What scares me is the unstopable, "the grudge" is an example a curse that no matter what you did you could not stop it and it would come for you no matter where you were. I hear thump thump thump and I still squeal!

I liked the first Final Destination film for the same reason, all our efforts are futile and doomed to fail. Death was coming whether you sumitted to it or not.

Now I'm likley going to be slagged rotten for this but I liked "The Prince of Darkness" it was very low tech for the efects but the sheer pain in the film, the dream sequences the fact that how easily our notions of saftey could be upset and turned on their head! Nothing we could do would help but we try anyway. Please excuse my spelling and I hope I make some sense, ramble ramble ramble:D
 

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