Rama series by Arthur C Clarke

I would certainly recommmend "Rendezvous with Rama," a wandering spaceship enters the solar system, powers up as it reaches the sun, is explored and carries on its merry way leaving many questions unanswered. I never thought much of the sequels.
 
I would certainly recommmend "Rendezvous with Rama," a wandering spaceship enters the solar system, powers up as it reaches the sun, is explored and carries on its merry way leaving many questions unanswered. I never thought much of the sequels.

Interesting book, though I had a bit of difficulty articulating in my mind what it actually looked like, after looking at an Artists impression, it was like, Oh so that's what it looks like, i'd though of it all wrong :eek:
 
Interesting book, though I had a bit of difficulty articulating in my mind what it actually looked like, after looking at an Artists impression, it was like, Oh so that's what it looks like, i'd though of it all wrong :eek:

Let Me correct myself, it's a wonderful book
 
Quoting myself here...
My take on the follow-ups to Clarke’s incomparable Rendezvous With Rama is very simple: I pretend they don’t even exist.

Honestly, I thought they badly trampled on the air of mystery and awe Clarke created with the original story, turning the sense of wonder on its head in exchange for a bloated space soap opera that dragged on and on and on. Gentry Lee, at least with these, is not a good writer (Clarke penned none of these books, he merely laid out the concepts for Lee to write.) As I said in this post, I also suggest that people stay away from the sequels.

Wow! And I thought it was just me!

Well, maybe I don't feel so strongly against the sequels, but they definitely spoiled the story for me. Rendezvous With Rama is best read by itself.
See this post, and thread...
 
Rendezvous and the whole Rama Cycle are a terrific series of books. For me, they include some of the most compellingly written characters I've ever read.

I couldn't agree less with anyone who suggests only reading Rendezvous - the entire series is a must! Having read the whole series many times, I can't read only Rendezvous without reading the others too.

For me, Rendezvous on its own reads a little 'thin', more like a short story than a novel; it's more a vehicle for the concept of Rama rather than a solid investigation into how such an artifact could affect the human race (as individuals and as a whole).

So, Bryan (I think you started this thread) if you haven't already read the series since posting this thread, READ IT ALL (You'll thank me for it).
 
I just read Rama, and even though I enjoyed it to some extent, it just wasn't as good as I hoped. Here' s a review I just submitted somewhere else (just my humble opinion, of course, I don't mean to offend Clarke or anybody else):

I trully hoped that this novel would blow me away, what with all the praises it has received both here, and all over the internet. But I was honestly underwhelmed. It's well-written, obviously, and good as an exploration piece, in the sense that Orson Scott Card describes in his 'How to write science fiction and fantasy'. By Card's definition, it's clearly not an Event piece, neither a Character work, nor the exposition and defence of an Idea.

It does have nice moments though, and the environment within Rama is misterious enough to pull you in, but upon reaching the ending of the book, I was left unsatisfied. It's not a cliff-hanger, and there's no evidence that a sequel might ensue (though I obviously know there are sequels - that I don't intend to read), but it just ends anyway. There's no climax, no build up of expectation. It's a long mistery that keeps on being something of a mystery until the Endeavour crew can no longer investigate to a satisfactory conclusion. It's like when you are driving to a distant city, and on the way you pass by other cities without really getting to see them in detail. You get to see parts of them, but they don't really stay with you after you drive past them.

However unwilling, I'm inclined to agree with those who claim that in 'Rendezvous with Rama' nothing happens, and nothing continues to happen until page 288. Unfortunately that's exactly when the book ends. Of course, if you expect to read this as a true adventure in the sense that Jules Verne wrote adventures, you'll be just as disappointed as I was. Characters don't seem to profit all that much from the 'adventure' either. Cardboardish as they are, you'd expect something of a reaction or some kind of change from them - after all, this is humanity's first encounter with some form of alien inteligence-, but it doesn't really seem to ensue. Captain whathisname leaves the scene just as he entered, with his two wives, and a lover to boot. Quite a hero, right? Not only Clarke's attempts at giving more depth to some of the characters failed to a large extent, but some of them - like the descriptions of Endeavour's Captain's double life - actually managed to kill off any sympathy I had for him/them.

To sum it all up, I think the book would definitely profit from a little more emphasis on the fiction, and less on the science, and a more dramatic climax (or a climax, at least). As far as hard SF goes, of course, Clarke was perfect, but I can't really get satisfaction from that alone in a novel.
 
This whole discussion about the merits of the original work compared with the sequels is fascinating and to some extent I can see both sides, but I have to say I much prefer (indeed love) the original and I can take or leave the sequels.

Sure, the original is sketchy on characterisation and doesn't resolve the mysteries but that is beside the point. Or rather, the lack of resolution of the mysteries IS the point. Whether you agree with this or not is going to depend on whether you like to have all enigmas wrapped up at the end and don't feel comfortable unless you are going to be told "the answers", or whether, like me, you are content to have your mind opened to a strong dose of the "sense of wonder" Clarke does so well...

I personally feel that the first book is much more powerful for leaving Rama unexplained. It's a wierd universe and what makes us think we're going to understand it all? After inducing a frenzy of speculation in the reader almost any kind of "solution" would have disappointed me I think. But the departure of the ship for ports unknown without even noticing the pin prick of the human investigators leaves all speculations intact and a terrific sense of awe and humility. I can't ask for more than that from science fiction and the sequels, not that they are bad books, inevitably degrade the mysteries by making them commonplace.
 
It is true that the original book left open many possibilities; it is just a shame that the three sequels were so badly written and plotted (and everything).

Although I made myself plough through the sequels, just to see if there was an ending that would justify all those time-wasting words (there wasn't), I was never drawn to the characters, nor did did I see the plot (for want of a better word) as other than being done to the characters, not about them, nor involving them. While all SF/F requires the suspension of disbelief, the reader ought to be able to believe in at least some aspects of a book; I didn't with these. (The thought that there are other follow ups just makes me depressed.)

One good thing (almost): I only bought one of these awful books and was able to borrow the other two from the local library. But I now feel guilty for returning them, as someone is bound to borrow at least one of them; and then they may never pick up another SF book again.
 
This whole discussion about the merits of the original work compared with the sequels is fascinating and to some extent I can see both sides, but I have to say I much prefer (indeed love) the original and I can take or leave the sequels.

Sure, the original is sketchy on characterisation and doesn't resolve the mysteries but that is beside the point. Or rather, the lack of resolution of the mysteries IS the point. Whether you agree with this or not is going to depend on whether you like to have all enigmas wrapped up at the end and don't feel comfortable unless you are going to be told "the answers", or whether, like me, you are content to have your mind opened to a strong dose of the "sense of wonder" Clarke does so well...

I personally feel that the first book is much more powerful for leaving Rama unexplained. It's a wierd universe and what makes us think we're going to understand it all? After inducing a frenzy of speculation in the reader almost any kind of "solution" would have disappointed me I think. But the departure of the ship for ports unknown without even noticing the pin prick of the human investigators leaves all speculations intact and a terrific sense of awe and humility. I can't ask for more than that from science fiction and the sequels, not that they are bad books, inevitably degrade the mysteries by making them commonplace.

Exactly! You present my own sentiments better than I have!
 
Rendezvous with Rama was what got me hooked to science fiction. That was back in 1986 i suppose - i was 15 then. i had bought it from a second hand book shop and it made such a tremendous impact on me that i went on a science fiction finding frenzy. For several years i could not find anything other than science fiction intresting reading
Rendezvous - comes highly recommended from me at least
 
actually almost all of a.c.c.'s endings are like that. thats why he's my favorite author.

i agree completely. something like

That was the end of the begining of the new universe....

would be what i would consider a Clarke Line.

it is the profound emptiness or void that they create while you are engrossed in the story which remains even when the story is over and you keep on thinking about it over and over.
 
I realize that both the last postings are by me - but there is a era between them - while the first was written when Clarke was alive - the next was after, alas he had left us physically. though i believe he will live long in his excellent works and in our hearts
 
A review from my SFF blog:

'Rendezvous with Rama' is due to be discussed later this year in the Yahoo Classic Science Fiction discussion group, and as it is one of the novels on my top-20 all-time SFF favourites list, this was a good enough reason for me to return to it after a long absence.

The plot is deceptively simple. It is set in the 22nd century, in what would now be regarded as a somewhat utopian future: our civilisation has survived and spread to establish permanent colonies on the Moon, Mars, Mercury, and some of the major moons of the outer planets. There is no faster-than-light drive, so humanity is confined to the Solar System. Little is said about the Earth, but it has one representative on the United Planets committees, which implies at least a co-ordination of world government. A few decades before, a major asteroid strike on Earth had caused massive damage, so Spaceguard had been set up to keep a careful watch on any bodies of significant size which looked as if they might pose a danger.

A large body is observed to be heading into the Solar System from outer space, so a probe is sent to investigate. The few images it sends from a high-speed fly-by show the object to be a perfect cylinder of enormous size, 50 km long and 20 km in diameter; clearly an alien artefact. Its huge speed means that it is almost impossible for a manned spacecraft to match velocities with it; there is only one vessel in the right position to achieve this, a survey ship called the Endeavour, captained by Commander Norton. Furthermore, the trajectory of the object, dubbed Rama, means that it will be heading very close to the sun, giving the Endeavour's crew just three weeks to explore the object before they would have to withdraw. The ship makes the rendezvous and the rest of the story is concerned with what they find there, interspersed with the debates and political manoeuvrings going on at United Planets HQ on the Moon.

Without wishing to give too much of the plot away to new readers, Rama is found to be hollow, with a breathable atmosphere and a rapid radial spin providing artificial gravity. Humans can walk around normally on the inner surface, requiring no more protection than warm clothes against the cold. At first it appears to be an entirely dead environment, but as it warms up with the approach to the Sun, it begins to show signs of life.

This is a deliberately restrained story. Clarke's writing style is spare and economical; no purple passages here, just matter-of-fact descriptions of the events. The human science described is basically that of the present day: there is not only no FTL travel, but nothing else that might cause physicists to raise their eyebrows. Rama is full of mysteries, but some of these are gradually revealed as the explorers observe the changes taking place and slowly try to piece together the purpose of the huge artefact. The science of whoever built Rama is far beyond humanity's, but the structure is mostly (if only just) understandable. This may sound dull, but it isn't; this is a great adventure story as well as being educational in using logical analysis to explain the mysteries. It is the kind of book which can be strongly recommended to anyone thinking of trying SF for the first time, so that they can get some understanding of the famous "sense of wonder" which has been at the core of SF's appeal for generations. In fact, it could be a good basis for getting young people interested in science.

By modern standards the structure of the novel can be criticised: the present fashion is to plunge straight into the action rather than provide explanatory prologues, to "show not tell" (i.e. let information come out as a result of the actions and conversations of the characters), to concentrate on developing the characters, and (of course) to write any new book as the first of a series. 'Rendezvous with Rama' fails quite comprehensively on all of these counts: while there is no formal prologue, the first few of the very short chapters are entirely devoted to setting the scene and explaining the background, with the first words of dialogue being spoken in Chapter 4. The narrator is present throughout, describing what is happening. The characterisation is slight; the Endeavour's crew are all dedicated professionals, working together in harmony (how refreshing!). Sequels to the book were not initially planned and did not begin to appear until the co-authored 'Rama II', some seventeen years after 'Rendezvous' was published in 1972. I haven't read any of them, but by all accounts the sequels are entirely different in style from the original, focusing much more on characterisation; they have been nowhere near as successful. I strongly suspect that if 'Rendezvous' were submitted by a new author for publication today an editor would call for drastic changes, if indeed the manuscript managed to get off the slush pile at all. Yet it is one of the most enduringly popular SF novels ever written, being frequently reprinted. Make of that what you will.
 
Well the original is a brilliant read,thoroughly enjoyed it first time i read it. I just wish he hadn't bothered with the sequels! Rama II isn't too bad but then it gets a bit over large and elaborate. And as for the the final,well,what a disappointment the conclusion is! The book itself is quite good but when i'd finished i felt a little deflated,like,is that it? Is that all this was steering towards? The face of god! From now on i will read and enjoy the original and leave it there!
 
i have read the first: Rendevouz with Rama. I originally read it because of the accolades came with it. It is quite slow paced but a page turner nonetheless. Arthur C Clarke does blow you away with some of his writing. I began the second book however and was dissapointed after being left on such a high note in the first. So i never really got into it and discovered Iain M Banks instead :)
 
Stay away from the sequels, which carry Clarke’s name but little else having to do with him. Even if you love “Rendezvous With Rama,” steer clear of the three books that follow. Overbloated, meandering, pointless soap operas that manage to miss everything that made Clarke’s original so compelling.

I disagree. I absolutely loved all of the novels. Its a true epic story, and I'd very much recommend them to anyone. It's a commitment to read them all, but very rewarding.

The way the characters are built up and the images that you're left with, will stay with you forever.
 
Being new to these forum and discovering this thread I just had to leave a comment.

I was lucky in that I read Rendezvous with Rama shortly after it's release. In fact I just checked and the book is still on my bookcase along side the following books by Gentry. And yes they were disappointing but if I may say; if we had read them without ACC's first book on there own, they may have stood okay although eminently forgettable.

Just reading some of the previous posts made me realise how much of Rama I can still visualise after all these years. I guess we all have are own mental picture of the discoveries made by the astronauts. I can still picture them landing on the top and making there way into the cylinder and the climb up the stairs when they left.

Thinking about it now I think the metaphor is our own planet (spaceship) we live on and the discoveries made since and yet to come. David Attenborough's documentaries over the last 30 years or so are not unlike the unravelling of Rama.

Sometimes some things need to be left alone. I think the next book I read will be Rendezvous with Rama. Its due after all these years, I am sure I will not be disappointed revisiting an old friend.

Edd
 

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