Point of Origin - Possible Use

[Dr.Jackson]

The Point Of Origin

Best way I can think of describing the Stargate network is like an old style telephone exchange. The Operator (person dialling) needs to make all of the connections.

Without the P.O.O. it would be like the operator calling the number of the person you wanted to speak to, but not connecting you to them. The P.O.O. is the final glyph needed for a connection.

Please, anyone tell me if that makes any sense to them! This is much easier to explain by drawing it on a piece of paper, or a board as Daniel Jackson did in the movie.

 

[PTeppic]

I think I understamnd what you are saying, and I tend to use a similar analogy.

BUT, isn't the "big red button" on the DHD used to "make the connection", that you suggest. If not, what is it used for? There is a confusion with this since you don't need the DHD for manual dialling, which does support your idea!

My slight modification is that the P.O.O. is used as a marker to show the end of the address, prior to the "connect" button, since for manual dialling there is no DHD and hence no "connect". Which is SORT of what you are saying anyway.

Perhaps somewhere between the two?

[Maybe the big red button on the DHD just allows faster dialling, and the P.O.O. does what you suggest?]

 

[shazstar]

Originally posted by PTeppic


My slight modification is that the P.O.O. is used as a marker to show the end of the address, prior to the "connect" button, since for manual dialling there is no DHD and hence no "connect". Which is SORT of what you are saying anyway.

Perhaps somewhere between the two?

[Maybe the big red button on the DHD just allows faster dialling, and the P.O.O. does what you suggest?]

Hehehehe. Now that analogy makes perfect sense! Pity it took 2 pages of a thread, and about five different other ones to get through to me! hehehe, very silly of me . I agree ENTIRELY!!

 

[PTeppic]

With which one - you sort of quoted two slight variations... I think.

 

[lysdexia]

PTeppic
BUT, isn't the "big red button" on the DHD used to "make the connection", that you suggest. If not, what is it used for? There is a confusion with this since you don't need the DHD for manual dialling, which does support your idea!
My slight modification is that the P.O.O. is used as a marker to show the end of the address, prior to the "connect" button, since for manual dialling there is no DHD and hence no "connect". Which is SORT of what you are saying anyway.
[Maybe the big red button on the DHD just allows faster dialling, and the P.O.O. does what you suggest?]

No! the big red button is equivalent to the send button on a cell phone. It sends your dialing sequence. Its purpose is to prevent dialing the wrong co-ordinates. The glyphs on the DHD light up like the digits on a cell phone as you're dialing. In at least one episode the wrong sequence was transcribed, and the dialer had to redial the last part, probably z1 and z2 even though the whole sequence wasn't restarted. It could've happened both for the DHD and for the ring.

 

[PTeppic]

Isn't that pretty much what I said? The Big Red Button allows faster dialling and does the "send", just as you say.

We have just never seen what happens if you just leave the DHD after entering all 7 (or 8!) symbols. Maybe it will complete the dialling sequence, just as it will if you manually dial.

I don't think we are really disagreeing, except in terminology.

The only difference is IF the DHD just sits, after dialling, without the red button. In that case, as you say, it is purely "send" based. But, that then repeats the question, why bother with a P.O.O.?

 

[lysdexia]

PTeppic
Isn't that pretty much what I said? The Big Red Button allows faster dialling and does the "send", just as you say.
No, you didn't say anything about preventing mispresses. And I don't recall you comparing the DHD to a cell phone. The red button doesn't allow faster dialing; the whole DHD does.

We have just never seen what happens if you just leave the DHD after entering all 7 (or 8!) symbols. Maybe it will complete the dialling sequence, just as it will if you manually dial.
What does the SGC computer use to initiate the wormhole after the chevrons are locked? Is there an extra step or does it happen automatically?

In that case, as you say, it is purely "send" based. But, that then repeats the question, why bother with a P.O.O.?
The matter stream needs a vector direction, doesn't it? I'm planning a new thread explaining everything.

 

[shazstar]

Originally posted by lysdexia

The matter stream needs a vector direction, doesn't it? I'm planning a new thread explaining everything.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vector direction - this has been a major arguement of mine all along (I just don't think I got it across correctly!)

I am sure that any wormhole needs vector clarification. If it was not told which direction it was coming from, then the destination could not be reached because it had no definite starting point or origin. I believe the Point of Origin is the symbol for the gate of origin's FIXED POINT within its moving galaxy which allows for the wormhole to be connected. If you think of a simple triangular vector diagram, imagine that the wormhole travels to a point, and then from there to a destination. If you hypothesise that each of these vector lines of travel is inter-dimensional, then the consequent vector line is the displacement and thus the directional constant for the gate!

 

[PTeppic]

But it does know the two ends: "here" and the stargate approximately at the co-ordinates specified by the first 6-7 glyphs.

If that does not define the two ends of the vector, what does?

When you throw a ball, does the ball know where it has come from? It "knows" the vector it is going, based on the physical forces applies to it by your arm. Is the stargate not the same thing: create a wormhole from here to "the gate which can create a wormhole focal plane near a point defined by the glyphs"

 

[lysdexia]

When you pick up a ball, you have to decide from where and how to pitch it. The ball only "knows" where it came from as described by its launcher.

 

[PTeppic]

Well, we don't (and can't?) REALLY know how the stargate system works - we are only making educated guesses based on (in my case incomplete) knowledge of pretty advanced physics and astrophysics...

If we take a spike connected to a high voltage and turn it on in a field of spikes, could it go anywhere? Perhaps. If we arrange for a second spike to be srongly earthed, and all others to be fully insulated, then the spark will go from the source to the destination.

This is how I see the wormhole. We turn it on from our gate, and arrange via the protocols for the destination to make itself attractive, so that the wormhole will be created between the two.