Stargates : Data Memory

[PTeppic]

Since we (okay - me) don't really understand where or how these extra dimensions work, we can't be sure HOW they relate to our own ones.

But, and I think this example is clear, you can move light years in our common 3D dimension X, without moving in Y or Z, or even "backwards" in those dimensions. So - why can't we move thousands of light years in X,Y,Z, but only a very short distance in the extra dimensions??

 

[Ko'or Oragahn]

I didn't say you couldn't.

What I said is that I highly doubt that only one single dimension would reduce ALL various distances between all the gates of the network in OUR dimension to only one single identical distance that would be same between each gate in this OTHER dimension.

As you reported, Jackson said the gates uses dimensionS.

But now, this fact may shoot down my theory about the pre-existence of wormholes.

 

[PTeppic]

I keep doing that... thinking aloud into a reply, extending my thoughts up and round to the point where I find it is actually the opposite of where I started! :blush:

 

[Dr.Jackson]

Originally posted by Ko'or Oragahn

But now, this fact may shoot down my theory about the pre-existence of wormholes.

Not necessarily, well, entirely anyway. There are a few things which point to the pre-existance of wormholes. However, in the context of the Stargate, they have to use a very specifically directed wormhole.
I believe this is why the gate needs as much power as it does - to create the stable, directed wormhole.

 

[PTeppic]

Define "stable".

Because I have just remembered something important about the two ends of the wormhole during travel. They move.

The Earth: [and the following is courtesy of MS Encarta 99, and even if inaccurate it symbolic]:
a) rotates about its own axis (day/night) - a point at the equator moves at about 1600 kmh (1000 mph) [but a point at 45 deg. north or south at only 2/3 of that velocity...]
b) rotates about its star (seasons/year) - at about 106000 kmh (66000 mph)
c) moves with the rest of the solar system - 72360 kmh (45000 mph) towards Hercules
d) moves with the rest of the galaxy - at about 2160000 kmh (1350000 mph) towards Leo


So whatever is keeping those ends "stable" is doing a FINE job in our dimensions - see the other threads!

 

[Dr.Jackson]

Originally posted by PTeppic
Define "stable".

With theoretical wormhole physics, being a stable wormhole means that it will not suddenly disengage, or shift axis suddenly. It also means that anything entering it will also exit it if it is truly stable.

Think of it as a bridge; if the bridge isn't stable, it could collapse and that would be bad news for anyone on it.

I think that an artificially created wormhole, in the context of Stargate, is between two relatively fixed points, and so the wormhole will always find the most secure, or stable, path between the two points.

I think that makes sense!

 

[PTeppic]

Sorry - what I meant was, define stable given that the ends are moving at 2 million kmh (in our dimensions). And rather scarily in four directions at once!

 

[Dr.Jackson]

Aaagh!

Okay, so now I have about as much of an answer as Jack would on this.:eek7:

 

[PTeppic]

I'll bet the scriptwriters overlooked this as well - or those alternate dimensions have a lot to answer for... which is possible. Perhaps.

 

[Svarog]

Why should it remember all the different gates. Remember gates are portable, they aren't always cemented into the ground-it's just to hold them upright. You've all talked about stellar drift, continuous wormholes you have to connect to and so on and so forth.

The Ancients must be a very old race considering their name and would probably think in the very long run. Therefore considering the relative compact size of the gates and their DHD, i'd say that they were meant to be movable, possibly as a gateway to a new colony, just send it there by an unmanned craft, then gate there once the craft arrives. Therefore if the gates can move about then all the gate co-ords would be just confusing and pointless.

Another thing if the wormholes are always there, what is it that keeps them open, entropy dictates that all things must run out of energy. Is there a universal gate that keeps all the wormholes running?

 

[Ko'or Oragahn]

Originally posted by Svarog
1. Why should it remember all the different gates. Remember gates are portable, they aren't always cemented into the ground-it's just to hold them upright. You've all talked about stellar drift, continuous wormholes you have to connect to and so on and so forth.

The Ancients must be a very old race considering their name and would probably think in the very long run. Therefore considering the relative compact size of the gates and their DHD, i'd say that they were meant to be movable, possibly as a gateway to a new colony, just send it there by an unmanned craft, then gate there once the craft arrives. Therefore if the gates can move about then all the gate co-ords would be just confusing and pointless.

2. Another thing if the wormholes are always there, what is it that keeps them open, entropy dictates that all things must run out of energy. Is there a universal gate that keeps all the wormholes running?

It has been a while... phew. I can't promise I could stay here for a long.
I missed so many things.

1. I totally agree that the gates are meant to be moved. Somehow, I still think that in fact, the so called coordinates are nothing more than names and that in fact, these doors could contain beacons always connected within the other dimension, constantly sending their precise position to the whole network.

What really nedd power is to open the gate, aka make a door between different dimensions.

2. But entropy must also consider the concept of cycle.
If a wormhole is just a constant and cycling flux, then there's no problem.

 

[PTeppic]

Originally posted by Ko'or Oragahn
Somehow, I still think that in fact, the so called coordinates are nothing more than names and that in fact, these doors could contain beacons always connected within the other dimension

The only odd part with this possibility is that given they have "names", why do these references change when the gate is moved? Beacons would probably make the system easier to control, but is potentially a waste of energy - if green issues matter to the Ancients... As long as gates were communicable (through this other dimension?) and could respond to a "is there a gate with address A.B.C.D.E.F" message with a "yes" or "yes, but in use" within a protocol period of time, an always on beacon would not be needed. And since the in-use check is needed for each dialling anyway, the beacon would not save time.