6.15: Paradise Lost

[Texane]

in sum . . .

Spoiler

[Furlings - see "Paradise Lost."] Maybourne goes along with SG-1 offworld on a mission, and Maybourne and Jack end up getting stuck on the planet. Maybourne gets hold of Sam's zat. Tapping: "At first I said to the writers: 'No way, I would never let him get it, and catch me off guard like that! Your making me look stupid!' But they assured me, 'Oh, no, we did it in a way that it wasn't your fault.' So, anyways, it was my fault, and I couldn't figure out how to solve it, and get rid of the force shield thingy. So I start getting really frustrated, and being mean to everyone, so I'm kind of a nasty b***h the whole episode and I'm just so mean and cruel to everyone, because I can't help them. But, in the end, she [Sam] breaks. She just loses it and completely breaks down and starts crying and everything."

"Now, during the filming, we were going to do the scene were she breaks, and starts crying and everything, and she goes to Teal'c, who's there, and he comforts her, and hugs her and everything. And I think that this was really important, because they don't really show all that much of the friendship between her and Teal'c. There was this scene from 'Meridian' were she goes into the hall after her goodbye [with Daniel] and she's crying, and her and Teal'c hug. And it was just a nano-second scene and they cut it out."

"So I thought it was absolutely necessary that they have this scene, and we kept running out of time. We were supposed to do it one day, and we ran out of time, so they're like, 'Oh, well, we'll do it tomorrow.' And we ran out of time again, and they said, 'Oh, well, we'll do it tomorrow.' And they kept putting it off, so I actually went up to them, and was like, 'We have to do this scene! It's important!'"

"And it was one of the few things that I actually fought my heart out for. It was really needed, so we got to do it in the end. And I think that all her meanness and cruelness to all the scientists and everything was justified in the end, by her breaking down like that." (Amanda Tapping at Gatecon 2002, via MajorSam at Gaters.net)

http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s6/618.shtml

 

[Arc_Angel]

SPOILERS

Go to this site to see piccies of this ep (theres not many)

Go to photos, Season 6-2:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sg1_spoilme/

 

[angelle myst]

Wow, just possibly my fav ep all season, or close to it - i loved this one - it started out like an average-ish ep and i just didnt expect what happened at all.

I loved the upset-Sam - wow she has emotions! And as an s/j shipper it warmed my little shipper heart - she was crying over 'losing' Jack! Yay! Ok, so it was sad, but...y'know what i mean and the little hug she has with Teal'c - sweet, and the nice mention of Daniel was a cute tender moment too there aren't enough of them around

One gripe - Sam knowing that the round things and the arrow thing on the device meant that it was the moon and planet, quite a big leap of logic that i just couldnt accept.

Oh and another teeny gripe - at the end i was expecting a little reunion between Jack and Sam (and Teal'c/Jonas/Hammy obviously) but then the end credits came up and i was like "What! Is that it!" but i'll get over it if they have a little acknowledgement or something next ep

Loved the paranoia, and go Jack for figuring it out, tho i'm not sure exactly how he arrived at that conclusion...but whatever and i liked how they changed the colour tone thing when the paranoia level got higher and Jack went on the hunty thing for Maybourne oh i liked this ep a lot

xxx

 

[Dr.Jackson]

Have to agree with Sammy that this was a good episode, but unfortunately we don't get to see the Furlings (unless one was disguised as a wild boar like creature).

After Jack started looking at that disc of pictures, one of which appeared to be a map, and he started eating that plant the color seemed to tint slightly - anyone else notice this - it goes slightly greyer, I think.

I did like the moment between Teal'c and Sam, and agree with Amanda Tapping that it was a justified scene as Sam's b*tchiness in the ep would have seemed a little OTT without it.

 

[Brit Chick]

Originally posted by Sammy O'Neill
Oh and another teeny gripe - at the end i was expecting a little reunion between Jack and Sam (and Teal'c/Jonas/Hammy obviously) but then the end credits came up and i was like "What! Is that it!" but i'll get over it if they have a little acknowledgement or something next ep

me too - I have 'shipper' tendencies from time to time and really wanted to see a reunion - I wasn't expecting them running into each other's open arms with the rising music, and the rising .......music - but some kind of acknowledgement would have been nice. I guess the PTB don't wanna get into that side of the relationship cos once they do, there is no going back and it would not work with the main storylines.

I did notice the colour change about half way thru - took me minute to realise it wasn't my TV !! must have been to show us that the plans were hallucinogenic - and damn, why didn't we get to see the furlings !! one Q was Jack really seeing the skeletons or were they in his mind - if they were real were they supposed to be the Furlings - if so they looked pretty humanoid to me.

 

[skydiver]

the color change was hard to see on squinty.

i do like the rising paranoia, and the spooky music in the back ground.

jack was barefoot (drool) and i LOVE the sam/teal'c scene. FINALLY!!!
(shippers think they got it bad, sam/tealc fans usually have to survive on 10 seconds a year between the two...this was teh motherlode.)
i love how teal'c sorta attached himself to sam throughout the show...like he knew she was fragile and was going to keep an eey on her.

i loved the survival jack, down and dirty, same with harry. those two guys work great together.

as to sam's little burst of inspiration....i've had the same when i've been writing. i'll be typing away and a plot bunny just dashes in front of me.
I do miss the lack of a reunion scene, but i guess that's what fic is for.

and someone suggested that jonas mentioning that sam was being considered for command of sg-1 could be setting things up. see, if jack retired she could be the boss and...project your little shipper hearts out.

i did wonder about the book jack found. he was obviously doing a count at oen point, seeing if there were any survivors. is it POSSIBLE that he could read it in some way?

 

[skoon]

I loved the shippy bit but my FAVOURITE part of the episode is WHen Jack wash fishing & Maybourne threw in a stun granade or what ever. Jack's like, 'never do that again'...:laugh2:

 

[skydiver]

what is it with jack and folks that like explosives? harry's fixated on grenades, sam on claymores

 

[Dave]

originally posted by Skydiver
I did wonder about the book Jack found. He was obviously doing a count at one point, seeing if there were any survivors. Is it POSSIBLE that he could read it in some way?

Jack found the book when they first reached the village, briefly looked at it and threw it away. When he picked it up again later, that's when he realised that the plant they were eating was a hallucinogen. So, I assumed that it was the book that told him the story of the Goa'uld attack.

originally posted by Brit Chick
Was Jack really seeing the skeletons or were they in his mind - if they were real were they supposed to be the Furlings - if so they looked pretty humanoid to me.

The skeletons were Goa'uld. Didn't you notice the 'snake' skeleton that Jack pulled out of one?

originally posted by Dr. Jackson
We don't get to see the Furlings (unless one was disguised as a wild boar like creature).

I assumed that this was the Furling planet, and it's twin planet or satellite. Jack said that the alien transporter device prevented weapons being taken to the other world, so the Goa'uld took the hallucinogenic plant instead. It wasn't very clear, but I gathered that they all wiped each other out. (That's what Jack was counting.) Pretty stupid idea really then, but is this meant to be why we don't see the Furlings any more? Or was this just a single colony of the Furling race? And were the Goa'uld around that long ago?

originally posted by Skoon
They'd better not kill him [Harry Maybourne]

Jack is going to have the Tok'ra find him a nice quiet planet. Give him a few months to pull a few scams and he'll be back again.

This was obviously an attempt to tie up some loose ends if there wasn't going to be a Season 7.

 

[skoon]

I though the snake is obsorbed by the body when it's killed or is it left if the host is killed too? I liked how Jack took simpathy on Maybourne at the end...or did he? Is Maybourne going to be a doubly corupt Tok'ra?

 

[pamie]

Originally posted by skoon
I loved the shippy bit but my FAVOURITE part of the episode is WHen Jack wash fishing & Maybourne threw in a stun granade or what ever. Jack's like, 'never do that again'...:laugh2:

That had to be my fave part too..I was laughing so hard for quite a while at that one!!

I too noticed the colour change it was a little weird!
It was a great episode all round, I like Maybourne and Jack together they really make me laugh.

I was glad to see the Teal'c and Sam scene at last..its about time.
But like some of you here I did miss the ending not happening but I have got used to that with Stargate!

 

[skoon]

Originally posted by pamie

I was glad to see the Teal'c and Sam scene at last..its about time.
But like some of you here I did miss the ending not happening but I have got used to that with Stargate!

ya I felt a bit jibbed, this episode as well as the one with Jack & Danny, they just kinda end. Anyone got any good shippy fan fics out there that carry on these 2 particular eps?

 

[skydiver]

there have been about 6 'ending of paradise lost' fic posted in hte last 24 hours, and i'm sure more are in the works
most of them on the samandjack list (big surprise there) but i'm sure the'll show up on helio eventually

didn't see the gouald skeleton...but i'm on squinty so it's hard to see any details

the doorway removed all goauld weapons, took the zat, left the earth weapons. the goauld obviously didn't like that, which is why they used the plant, to either destroy the colony, wreak havok or just to be mean

yes, the ending was a bit abrupt...but at least they left it open. by this i mean, had they shown the ending they would have either ticked off the shippers by having something, ticked off the non-shippers by having something....this way there is no definitive ending so folks can just make up thier own

 

[adamsh]

I thought the directing in this episode was excellent , some of the best camera work I have seen in a TV episode.

As for the abrupt ending I think they just ran out of time, the story line could easily have lasted two episodes and would have been wrapped up quite nicely. When it did end I thought "no way has an hour passed already", again this rarely happens to me when watching a TV Episode.

I give this 9 out of 10.

 

[Elisa Azure]

I like this Ep.

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I really liked this ep, though I really think this could have done with a part 2, as a reunion scene was needed with Jack and the rest of SG-1. Plus I want to know if Maybourne is a Tok'Ra or something as Jack was very smily when he said he would suggest getting Mayboure a nice planet to retire on.

Though isn't Maybourne in trouble with the Tok'Ra, the Asguard and the Tollans. (If they are still alive that is.) As he was head of the operation that stole a lot of stuff from most of them?

I also loved the Sam and Teal'c hug, it was deffinatly needed I'm glad Amanda Tapping fought to keep that in. Though I didn't expect Sam to cry like that, I think it was fitting, as she has lost him so many times, and the fact that last time he went missing it was coz of Ba'al. (I HATE him.)

Overal I think a well done ep, but with a few fuzzy explinations on things like, Jack figuring out that plant was messing with his head. It really did need to be a two parter.

But I guess when they were filming this they thought it was the last season, so they couldn't draw out a storyline more than one ep as they have so many other storylines to wrap up at the time.

Elisa Azure

 

[Tabitha]

Caught this episode on the saturday repeat, and I have to say I found it very enjoyable indeed.

I loved the change in the film stock (or whatever - it's filmed on DV isn't it?), I found it to be very effective, but I am still not sure how exactly Jack suddenlly figured out that the plant was hallucinogenic. Maybourne was a delight as usual, and the dialogue was mostly wonderful.

I think the only problem I really had with it is that if the transporter device only took the traveller to the moon, why did the goa'uld really worry about not being able to bring their weapons through? Couldn't they have just flown there in one of their many ships? If there was no way to return from the moon that was immediately obvious, how did the goa'uld know that 1) they couldn't bring their regular weapons through, and 2) that there were people on the other side to terrorise?
Were they humans, or furlings? If they were furlings it seems a bit mad that they have human skeletons.

There was just enough left unsaid to make this all very confusing, for me anyway

The passage of time also didn't quite seem right - amazing to think that in the background a month was passing. Wasn't anyone else thinking back to A Hundred Days - the loss of Jack for three months didn't seem to upset Sam as much, although I guess there could be several reasons for this - firstly that there was an awful lot lese emotional baggage back then, secondly that it was not even partially her fault that Jack got stuck on that other planet, and thirdly (and most importantly), the very recent loss of Daniel must have made this too much to bear.
This has seemed to me the first real emotion any of the team have really displayed since the Daniel's passing, and it seemed very fitting. Bravo!


It might have seemed like I am criticising the ep quite heavily here, while there were one or two parts that weren't stellar, overall I thought this was one of the best episodes of SG1 for the last few seasons.

 

[tatter]

oh i can't wait to see this epi. i can't believe...or should i say i do believe , that they didn't do a reunion scence at the end. oh well, to project.......

hey sky, how do you get squinty vision now, the old links don't work anymore or at least for me!

i'm too impatient to wait the extra weeks if i don't have to.
thanks

 

[skoon]

well, I think they all showed some grief in their own ways when Danny left. Sam's the only one that let it come to the surface & losing Jack, as you said, was probably the last straw. Anyhoo, do you have a link to the samandjack list? I'm thinking, maybe Jack realized not only how much Maybourne has been through but himself as well & how maybe it's time for him to retire (& get Sam) maybe that's why he smiled when he offered Maybourne a planet to retire on. They did mention that Sam was being considered to lead SG1 when Jack was missing so who knows?

 

[skydiver]

you can just go to www.yahoo.com
then click on the groups link and search for sam and jack (i can't go find the link from work or i would)

 

[tatter]

ok finally got to see it on squinty vision. thanks sky.
excellent epi but one question....according to at she was all
b***hy and mean in to everyone. where??? cause if her snapping a one guy is her idea of being really mean she needs some serious b***h lessons