Tom Bombadil

I didn't like Tom at all and the passage of the book that contained him were my least favorite. I basically found him annoying. However I did like the mystery behind him.

I agree there is something mystical about him. I saw him as a sort of Pan, neither good or evil but very very powerfull.
 
My 0.02, harkening back to when I studied Tolkien at university....

Tom... Oh Tom... In a more perfect world he would have been in The Hobbit where he belonged. Where he suited the tone and mood of the tale much more than Lord of The Walking....

Why he's not affected by The Ring? Cause he's from outside the whole of 'creation' that encompasses Middle Earth.... It's not that he's more powerful that a Miar or Eru... It's that he's not even running on the same power source. He's included in the tale to remind everyone that as dire as it sounds, even The War Of The Ring isn't the end all and be all of everything. (It becomes even less of a big deal when Guy Kay, in "The Fionavar Tapestry" reduced The War Of The Ring to a shadow of what really happened! LOL )

When it comes to mythology, he's actually sorta close to The Green Man.... If one takes his 'Songs' into consideration we actually see his 'power' wax and wane.... He's unaffected by The Ring, but he breaks his foot kicking a troll....

I think he's one of the best things that JRR ever created. I think it's a fine example of him succeeding in spite of himself

"The whole point about the ring is that it's supposed to tempt/corrupt everybody"
Except Tom.... or Sam.... or Faramir!!! (Faramir's whole thing is that he's got NO interest in The Ring at all! I guess Peter Jackson didn't read that part of the book ever) or anyone else that JRR decided wouldn't be affected by The Ring.... more self contradiction (One of the things The Prof. did best....)
 
Hey TOm Bombadil Tom Bombadillo!

Say, who likes this rather bouncy fellow with his blue jacket and boots of yellow? And who doesn't....?

Whats the Deal with Mr. Dillo...how did he come to be the Master, and why, as the Master, does the ring not affect him. Why in a Middle-Earth of pain and destruction is he such a happy fellow?

I like Tom...even tho he is a wee bit odd. It would have been good to have a Tom in the film tho, but I guess that would add another 30 minutes to the running-time...

What do you think of the short little man who likes River-Daughters then? (who is the river-mother?)
:flash:

The ring doesn't affect him because he's the author. In Middle Earth, Tom Bombadil is Tolkien. The entire sequence is written, to me at least, in a way that seems to take the characters out of the story for a moment to another place. I think the cabin and Tom Bombadil is where Tolkien retreats to in his mind to create worlds such as Middle Earth. I always felt when reading FOTR that Tom Bombadil was almost a small joke by Tolkien. A "Hey, I put myself in the story" sort of thing.
 
I must admit I was looking forward to seeing Tom in the movies, so I was disappointed when he didn't turn up. He is a good character but I guess you can't put everyone in the movie or we'd still be there watching it!
 
The ring doesn't affect him because he's the author. In Middle Earth, Tom Bombadil is Tolkien. The entire sequence is written, to me at least, in a way that seems to take the characters out of the story for a moment to another place. I think the cabin and Tom Bombadil is where Tolkien retreats to in his mind to create worlds such as Middle Earth. I always felt when reading FOTR that Tom Bombadil was almost a small joke by Tolkien. A "Hey, I put myself in the story" sort of thing.
That's a really interesting theory that I haven't heard before. I don't know if I agree with it, but it does explain a few things.
 
Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo! Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow! Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!
 
Some interesting thoughts.

I'd never conceived of Tom as Tolkien. Very interesting, but Tom is not really interested in going outside of his little land. He wants to know everything about his own land, but not really know about the rest. On the other hand, Tolkien wanted to delve into the origins and progress of many languages and races. I think this is contradictory to Tolkien... unless the analogy is of Middle-earth (Tolkien's personal fantasy land ) =Tom's land (Tom's private reserve to shut out the world)... now I can see it. Hmmm, interesting. I can see how Tom represents both sides of taking life seriously and not taking yourself too seriously.

But Tolkien also identified himself and his bride as Beren and Luthien, yes?

I humbly disagree with batteddy regarding Tom = Eru. Sure, both go either by their given name and/or surname (if such definitions may be given to Eru), while no other characters seem to do this. Tom seems oddly out of place with mortal creatures. Tom appears to have strong control of his land... it seems to me that he used only a fraction of his power on Old Man Willow. But in the end, it is difficult for me to believe Tom is Illuvatar.

Eru gave stewardship of Arda to the Ainur. He proved himself to be hands off and not interfere for untold millenia. His only involvement came when Manwe asked him to resolve the Ar-Pharazon incident and when Aule made the Dwarves. Both of these interventions came when the very existence of one/both of the branches of the Children of Illuvatar were at stake. I'd argue that the War of the Ring did not possess the same level of threat that the premature colonization of Middle-earth by the Naugrim or the sole world power that Numenor represented. The Valar only sent five Maiar to deal with Sauron... it seems that was four too many.

When the Ainur were created Eru sang them a song and showed them many incredible things. But I don't think he showed them everything. Ungoliant and Tom are two creatures that do not seem to be included in the list of created offspring of Eru (Ainur, Quendi, Men, Ents) and the offspring of Eru's children (Dwarves, Orcs and Trolls). I do not know who Tom is. I cannot place him with accuracy into the cosmology of Tolkien.

We can all have our theories. I think it's improbable that Tom is Tolkien or that Tom is Eru, but neither are impossible. I don't mean to cop out by saying Tom is an enigma... but he is. To me, Tom is a purposeful enigma that shows me that the world, the spiritual world, and the universe is larger than I suspect. Tom reminds me that many things are unquantifiable. Tom tells me that there are wonders around the corner. Tom exemplifies that there are friends waiting to be discovered.

There was also some discussion regarding Tom's lack of desire for power made him invulnerable to the suggestions of the Ring. I dunno how absolutely devoid of this desire that Tom was, but weren't Gandalf, Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam all humble persons. None of them had the desire for power and glory that Boromir, Balin, Eomer, Isildur, and Galdriel had. Yet the Ring called to Gandalf and the Hobbits nevertheless. I think the ability to resist the Ring lay within Tom's very being, not his mindset.

Just my two cents.
 
I think Tolkien included Tom Bombadil to bring hope and sustenance to his hobbits, as I think he does throughout their journey. The story begins in the innocent, happy Shire, then there is a period of fear in the fleeing of the hobbits from the Nazgul, then Tom Bombadil provides the first key moment of hope/sustenance, then the fear/darkness continues with the barrow-wights and Weathertop, then another period of hope/sustenance at Rivendell, then Moria, then Lothlorien... I'm not so sure if the pattern continues in the other books but I think in FOTR this is the case.
 
The ring doesn't affect him because he's the author. In Middle Earth, Tom Bombadil is Tolkien. The entire sequence is written, to me at least, in a way that seems to take the characters out of the story for a moment to another place. I think the cabin and Tom Bombadil is where Tolkien retreats to in his mind to create worlds such as Middle Earth. I always felt when reading FOTR that Tom Bombadil was almost a small joke by Tolkien. A "Hey, I put myself in the story" sort of thing.


That´s interessant ^^. I don´t have known this, but it sounds plausible ^^
mhh... I think that´s the best theorie of "who or what" Tom Bombadil are...
It´s improbably, that Tom is Eru Ilúvatar or one of the Valar. (<-- this possibility is impossible ^^ because there are only 14 without Melkor. ^^)
He isn´t one of the Maiar, because he doesn´t show any reaction, when he put the ring on. (Unlike Gandalf, who wouldn´t put the ring on because he was afraid of beeing hung up on the ring.)

(sry my english is so bad ^^)
 
I liked Tom, not totally though. Sometimes with all that singing he was annoying. But I liked him helping out the Hobbits. I didn't think his section slowed down too much compared to the rest of the first book.

I agree with Ray's second point. The ring having no effect on him embodies his ideals. Also his proximity to the Shire, which its inhabitants are mostly isolated from the rest of the world, emphasises that.

The reason that the ring doesn't have control over him is because he is a powerful and very old being. I don't think Tolkien ever tells us what exactly he is.

Tom is Aule. I read an article about it and it's extremely convincing. It almost breaks down every sentence that ever mentions tom's origin. I'll just post what I remember. :)

Tom is Aule because he is so interested in nature, which Aule would be because he was the Valar that created much of the world and the dwarves. He's close to the shire because he's studying the hobbits, a new race unknown to almost anyone. It's also kinna obvious because Tom sings a lot, the only character in the LotR that sing like that and in the Sillimarion, the Valar are made through singing.

Tom=Aule
 
I always thought of Tom as being the spirit of place, the genius loci of Middle Earth.
I also think that speculation on his nature are, ultimately, futile:

And even in a mythical Age there must be some enigmas, as there always are. Tom Bombadil is one (intentionally).'
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien
, No 144, dated 1954
 
Thanks, Joke! I thought 1,111 was good - didn't expect to get to 2,222 so fast!!:p
 
in the book tom was confusing to me then in the game battle for middle earth 2 he jumps around singing im an irish leprecaun :confused:
 
The 'Tolkien Bestiary,' identifies Bombadill as one of the Maia, Like Sauron and the Istari.

He seems to have created his own fiefdom away from the world for his own reasons.

Gandalf was not tempted by the ring in the conventional sense, but by the fact that he would try to use its power for good, something it would not tolerate. If the consequences of such action would terrify Gandalf, I'm glad we never found out what they were.
 
The 'Tolkien Bestiary,' identifies Bombadill as one of the Maia, Like Sauron and the Istari.

He seems to have created his own fiefdom away from the world for his own reasons.

Gandalf was not tempted by the ring in the conventional sense, but by the fact that he would try to use its power for good, something it would not tolerate. If the consequences of such action would terrify Gandalf, I'm glad we never found out what they were.
Good info! I just read through that part of the books again and kept thinking - "The way that guy keeps singing and stuff... he must be one of the higher ups!" (The world has been created through song after all...I think)
I was even entertaining the thought, that he might be Radagast... or not... it was just him being so close to nature and stuff that the idea just popped into my head...

~Sira.
 

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