Cassini: meets the lord of the rings

Another shot of Titan

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Saturn's moon Titan shows a sharp contrast between its smooth and rough edges in a new false-color radar image.

To provide a better perspective of the surface features, the color image is shown alongside a black and white image that was previously released. To read the full caption for the black and white image click here PIA06988.

In the new color image, brighter areas may correspond to rougher terrains, slopes facing the radar, or different materials. The pink colors enhance smaller details on the surface, while the green color represents smoother areas. Winding linear features that cut across dark areas may be ridges or channels, although their nature is not yet understood. A large dark circular feature is seen at the western (top left) end of the image, but very few features on Titan resembling fresh impact craters are seen.

The area shown is in the northern hemisphere of Titan and is about 150 kilometers (93 miles) wide by 300 kilometers (186 miles) long. The image is a part of a larger strip created from data taken on Oct. 26, 2004, when the Cassini spacecraft flew approximately 1,200 kilometers (745 miles) above Titan's surface.

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Ya and well keep getting more and better cool shots in the coming days Alexa. I don't know why the interest in the forum seems to have dropped off for some reason but what ever new data I get I will continue to post as long as this thread is still here. I got some good stuff on Mars as well, the last one was about the face in Cydonia, in the "man on the moon post" which also died off maybe I will move Mars info here as well.
 
Sorry about the first one it should have oppened full but instead it oppened in a strip where you have to click in a box at bottom left cornen to expand it and trying to click in the box is like trying hit a speeding cocroach with a tack hammer
There has been a good deal of speculation regarding the seep phenomenon and what seeps are made of. There are many lay researchers that are suggesting oil, a mixture of oil and water, some other exotic fluid, or a fine dark dust. These speculations are understandable, but largely misguided. The reasons for arriving at these conclusions are many, but all have their foundation in the way our brains are trained to respond to certain visual stimuli. When we see dark patterns that exhibit flow, our brains connect to our experience and pronounce "oil." The obvious problem with this connotation is that we are dealing with grayscale images from the MGS MOC platform. Without other visual cues, a dark stain does look like oil. The key here is the lack of other visual cues. In grayscale images, damp regolith (soil) will render a much lower albedo than the surrounding dry areas.
Why do the seeps always seem to occur on slopes and escarpments?

What is most likely being exhibited in the images showing the seep phenomenon are crater walls and other scarps that have bisected shallow aquifers and have allowed fluid (most likely water) to seep or weep down the slope.
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The line drawing above describes the geological and hydrological forces that allow the seep phenomenon to occur. A layer of higher permeability exists above a layer of lower permeability, thereby creating a porous channel or aquifer. When these layers are bisected by geological features such as craters, troughs, canyons or other scarps, any liquid that is transported by this high permeability layer is released at the terminus.
The fluid driven by gravity at this point will make its way down the path of least resistance, dampening the soil and causing the affected area to darken when compared to the drier surroundings.

Why would it be water?



The sensors and science packages that have been deployed on various Mars orbiters have all reported the presence of H2O. The problem is that none of these remote sensors have been sensitive enough to detect the quantity and type of the water. It is now widely accepted that there may be large ice fields, some the size of the state of Arizona, trapped in the Martian crust.
We know that the north pole of Mars consists primarily of water ice and that the south pole while primarily constituted of CO2 or "dry ice" also contains a large amount of water. Scientists generally agree that when the Martian atmosphere was stripped away (most likely as a result of the Hellas impact event) much of the available surface water may have retreated underground. When all these factors are considered, the seeps are most likely to have been created by the seeping of liquid water.
Why are the flows wider at the base?

I have read many questions regarding the fan shape of the majority of the flows, and it appears that some individuals are having difficulty understanding the nature of the patterns that have been imaged.
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Crop from M12-02685
Notice that the origins of the seeps typically start at a fine point and are much wider at the base, but they are also somewhat irregular. This is not only expected, but confirmatory that the phenomenon is most likely liquid rather than fines (loose powdery dust). As the fluid escapes the permeable layer, it begins to saturate the immediate areas of contact. Once the porous surface material has reached saturation, the liquid surface tension of the fluid that is bound to the soil, causes advancement and saturation of adjacent areas of contact. This action is repeated until the fluid stops seeping, or the terminus of the seep reaches a highly porous or permeable surface. In the case of the latter, a more porous material will absorb much greater volumes of liquid. As the seep advances down the slope it will moisten areas directly below it and the regolith/soil that is laterally adjacent. This geometric progression causes the outwardly radiating fan as the seep advances down a slope.
How can we be sure that this isn't darker dust?

As mentioned above, the flow pattern is indicative of fluid (most likely water). But to better understand, and to explain why this is unlikely to be dark dust/fines please see the image below.
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Crop from M12-02685
While there are images that show slippage and landslide activity, the seep images do not elicit a similar morphology. When dirt, dust, or other material slides down the face of a slope, it will dislodge other material that it comes in contact with, leaving tell-tale signs of disturbance. Moreover, when the slide reaches its terminus, there will be a debris field that is commensurate in volume with the size of the disturbance. We do not find evidence of disturbance or debris in the seep images. To highlight this point, notice that in the image above, a seep that has terminated at the edge of some dunes/crenulations. The seep has made its way around the leading edge of the dune and has left the higher section unaffected. This is precisely what we would expect to find in a seepage of liquid down a slope face. Dirt, dust and other slide materials would likely have covered the tips of these dunes/crenulations.
Why are some of the seeps so light? Are they leaking a different type of material?
In the January image dump by MSSS, not only were a greater number of seep images available (they too are fascinated by the phenomenon and have been specifically targeting areas where the seeps are more abundant), but a new phenomenon was discovered. A white, or bright, seep.
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Crop from M12-02685
There has been some conjecture about what could cause these bright streaks. I believe there are two possible explanations, both being possible but one being more plausible. One explanation would involve the "super oxidation" that some scientists are now attributing to the Martian soil. When this super oxidized soil comes into contact with fluid there would be a chemical reaction similar to pouring peroxide on dirt. It would be possible under those conditions that the chemical reaction bleaches the soil, leaving a higher albedo signature. The second, and much more likely explanation involves evaporates. Recently there has been vigorous speculation by the scientific community that the near surface water on Mars is brackish (exhibiting a higher degree of salinity). As the fluid charge in the near surface aquifer falls off, the seep will stop and the liquid deposited on the surface will evaporate. The salts and minerals carried by the liquid would then be left behind and would have a higher albedo profile than the surrounding terrain.
Why are the seeps such an important phenomenon?

Liquid water on Mars changes the equation dramatically. If there is near surface liquid water available, the prospects for extant life are radically improved. Moreover, as we look forward to manned missions, the availability of shallow aquifers significantly enhances the potential for mission success.
I believe they could also be melting surface frost or melting permafrost during the warmer temp in Mars's summer months
 
I have decided to move my face of Mars here as well since Man on the mood died.

I don't know what happened to that new science thread I don't seem to be able to find it but here is some more good shots of the face on Mars

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Note the squared off top of the forehead and the two straight sides of the face, the raised brow and nose are the most prominant features. Note the sides of the face are a perfect ninty degrees straight lines from the straight line at the top of the forhead. Note the rounded chin and the colapsed right side of the face. Remember if this was an articial artifact it would have been built more then 4,000,000 years ago or more when Mars was still wet and had a breathable atmosphere. That's allot of erosion and wear from exposure to the elements of Mars.

 
Hi again, Alexia if you wish to contact me on MSN do so I have several names in my list but only know your user name for the forum. I guess I'll have to do the same with the others, gona feel dum:)
 
Once there was lots of water on Mars, flowing water, H20 in liquid form which indicates a temp above the freezing mark at one time. Water + warmer temps and thicker atmosphere = a mixture or soup for producing the begining of some type of primitive life form. They will find it or it's phosolized reminance in the soil or rocks.



Tiu Vallis

Tiu Vallis appears to have started from an area of collapsed terrain (a region known as Hydaspis Chaos), moved northward through a fairly narrow channel, and then spread out and eroded a large area to the north and west. A more detailed view of the source shows the chaotic terrain, the initial channels, and various eroded features:

Source of Tiu Vallis Erosional features in the outflow channels often form around obstacles such as craters, such as these at the mouth of Ares Vallis:
 
Here is another good one I found of artifacts on Mars. I have a whole bunch of these things stored somewhere in my computer I just havn't visited them for a while and forgot which link they were in. Heck I even got some of Jupiters moons also taken from the probe they sent to disintigrate into Jupiters atmosphere, I even got a shot of that when it was making the decent. I need to find that stuff


Our previous analysis of the Face [6] confirmed its structure to be highly symmetrical. The THEMIS image shows the D&M to possess a high degree of symmetry as well. In Fig. 2 the image has been rotated so that the hypothetical axis of symmetry is aligned with the vertical axis. Fig. 3 plots the Marola symmetry measure [7] which was used previously to locate the axes of symmetry of the Face in the April 2001 MGS image. The peak of the curve indicates the horizontal position which maximizes the symmetry measure. In Fig. 2 we alternate between the original and left-right flipped versions of the D&M Pyramid. Although signs of erosion are present, a high degree of bilateral symmetry still exists. We note the difference between the left and right "arms" of the formation. The end of the left arm appears to have collapsed. Previously it has been conjectured that this may be an opening leading into the D&M Pyramid. Perhaps an image acquired in the morning with the sun illuminating the east side might help to determine the nature of this feature.

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Fig. 2 D&M Pyramid rotated so that axis of symmetry is along vertical axis. Dynamic GIF alternates between original and left-right flipped images .


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Fig. 3 Plot of Marola symmetry for horizontal shifts of image of D&M.


[font=Arial, Verdana]Interpretation[/font]

A simple and elegant geometry may be responsible for the symmetry of the D&M Pyramid. Torun identified a number of relationships in its internal geometry which suggested an underlying plan based on tetrahedral geometry [8] . As shown in Fig. 4 the presence of angles approximately at 30, 60, and 90 degrees suggests that the faces of the D&M can be described by isosceles and right triangular facets. However, more precise angular measurements may also confirm Torun's original model.

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The radar illumination was from the south: dark regions may represent areas that are smooth, made of radar-absorbing materials, or are sloped away from the direction of illumination. A striking bright feature stretches from upper left to lower right across this image, with connected 'arms' to the East. The fact that the lower (southern) edges of the features are brighter is consistent with the structure being raised above the relatively featureless darker background. Comparisons with other features and data from other instruments will help to determine whether this is a cryovolcanic flow, where water-rich liquid has welled up from Titan's warm interior.

The image covers an area about 150 kilometers (90 miles) square, and is centered at about 45 degrees north, 30 degrees west in the northern hemisphere of Titan, over a region that has not yet been imaged optically. The smallest details seen on the image are around 1 kilometer (.62 mile) across. Features are less clear at the bottom of the image where the viewing was less favorable. A faint horizontal seam between the radar beams can be seen half way up in this image.

Possible liquid water uh!
Isnt that starting to sound familiar.

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NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity captured this view from the base of "Burns Cliff" during the rover's 280th martian day (Nov. 6, 2004). This cliff in the inner wall of "Endurance Crater" displays multiple layers of bedrock for the rover to examine with its panoramic camera and miniature thermal emission spectrometer. The rover team has decided that the farthest Opportunity can safely advance along the base of the cliff is close to the squarish white rock near the center of this image. After examining the site for a few days from that position, the the rover will turn around and head out of the crater. The view is a mosaic of frames taken by Opportunity's navigation camera. The rover was on ground with a slope of about 30 degrees when the pictures were taken, and the view is presented here in a way that corrects for that tilt of the camera.
 
Exhisting liquid water on Mars?

Water/liquid comes in many forms as you will see in the next few pages. I want to try to introduce you to several of the forms that I am aware of. I am sure that the few pages on the issue here only offer a smattering of what's there. These images come from the Hebes Chasma. I have not had time to search MSSS for more of the images, but as you can see at the bottom of this page, the boys at Malin were very interested in this area (for good reason), and were targeting the liquid and it's head point.

MOC Image M0204091

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This is a cropped section of M020491 narrow angle image of the edge of a shelf in Hebes Chasma. A link to the full image on this server will be available near the bottom of the page. In this image, we can see fluid pooled in depressions in the surface.

Please take notice of the streaking that starts on the "solid" surfaces and continues across the sandy areas and into the fluid/water.

There are clear indications of channels, and fluid pooling in some of those channels.

Because images and pages are sometimes unavailable on the MSSS servers (There have been times in the past, I am told, that select images and pages have disappeared from the servers never to return. I cannot comment on the voracity of that statement, but to insure continuity, I have a copy of most of the original images available on this site.​





 
Would this be solid- i.e ice liquid? I think I've heard of there beign frozen CO2 on Mars, am I right? So perhaps it is the same? I also read of someone saying it might be possible to melt it with a large nuclear explosion, but wouldn't it just freeze again after a while? Nice pics, anyway ;)
 
Well one theory Esioul is if there is water or permafrost and ice under the surface it could be in a liquid form deeper down in the cavern or underground chasms which is then heated by geothermal action, some of this water could leack out or seep to the surface and create the many chanels we see in craters etc. Or melting permafrost or snow near the surface when the temps reach to as much as 1 degree above freezing during certain times of the summer months on Mars. The weeps are believed to be created by melting frost or aquafiers from bellow ground. There definatly is still water existing there and lots of it but probably mostly made up of permafrost and ice under the ground. You could use a thermo nuclear facilety to melt great quanteties of water and produce drinking water and power to a settlement as well as using the basic elements of H20 to manufacture a breathable atmosphere in the enclosed environmental settlements. With geodesic domes they could grow their own stuff to eat. This is all the stuff they need to find out before sending a maned mission there. Yes during the winter months on Mars C02 freeses and collects at the poles but the rest of the planet is clear of frozen C02 eccpet in the higher altitudes like mountain ranges and volcanoes and some crater rims, you will find clouds in these areas to when spring or fall arives. C02 all sublimates away during the summer months as so some of the water ice
 
But isn't it always frozen on Mars, even in the 'summer'? Surely it's too far from the sun? Also, aren't there very nasty thunder storms on Mars? Not sure I could live there, I hate thunder ;)
 
Well NASA speculate that any surface water on the surface could remain in liquid form at allot colder temps then freezing mark if it is salinated water and if these seeps are on the sunny side of a cliff or hill, where you will see most of them, or crater rim, in the direct sunligh it could get warm enough to melt in the summer months.
 
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Is there are way it could be made warmer i.e some kind of mirror reflecting sunlight? Don't mind me if I'm totally wrong, I don't know much about this.
 

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