PETITION for SEASON 7

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There isn't SCIFI show's anymore !!!! The TV's executives are killing this kind of show one by one...


Brad said in a chat with SJHW that season 7 only happens if people really watch the show in SCIFI;
RDA said that if they shoot in LA he will be in the show;
MS absence is not making great difference;
CN is doing OK;
Mitology still is very rich and powerfull;
S&J romance can be VERY explored like M&S in X Files;


SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH A SEASON 7 ????????????????

MS exit is not like DD's in X files. This aversion about something new is very bad for the show. Fans should not have this kind of paradigm and be open for the changes because the writers have done a good job with jonas character and player.
 
Originally posted by jeane
MS exit is not like DD's in X files. This aversion about something new is very bad for the show. Fans should not have this kind of paradigm and be open for the changes because the writers have done a good job with jonas character and player.
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From Another Site:
Regardless of the reasons for C.N./J.Q.'s joining the programme, his addition to S.G.-1 took the show
beyond the limits of credibility.

I'm prepared to suspend my disbelief as regards the existence of
the Stargate and wormhole travel, even though it would take a mass
the size of the planet Jupiter to provide enough energy to create a
wormhole with the diameter of a pinhead...

But that a Government organization, intimately involved with
National Security, would allow an alien, who has proved himself to be
a threat to the National Security of his own world, to be a member
of a front-line team of this world, is simply not believable by any
stretch of the imagination. 8-(

The Disillusioned One
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And with respect, in that Daniel Jackson was one of the two leading characters in the film, and thus in the T.V. programme, his loss from the show is exactly the same as Fox Mulder's.

The X-Files became pretty tedious after he left, too. I watched the first few episodes, especially as I'd enjoyed 'Terminator 2', but the programme's vital spark had just died, somehow - don't know how or why, it just did - and I couldn't get interested in it. Haven't watched it since.

'Abyss' excepted, it sounds like 'Stargate S.G. -1' has jumped the shark, too, sadly. All the really good stories are to be found in fan fic. now.

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
 
Originally posted by jeane
There isn't SCIFI show's anymore !!!! The TV's executives are killing this kind of show one by one...


Brad said in a chat with SJHW that season 7 only happens if people really watch the show in SCIFI;
RDA said that if they shoot in LA he will be in the show;
MS absence is not making great difference;
CN is doing OK;
Mitology still is very rich and powerfull;
S&J romance can be VERY explored like M&S in X Files;


SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH A SEASON 7 ????????????????

MS exit is not like DD's in X files. This aversion about something new is very bad for the show. Fans should not have this kind of paradigm and be open for the changes because the writers have done a good job with jonas character and player.
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Losing my marbles here -- sent the above without making the necessary comments :blush:

S6 is ok, but that is all. I'm watching it, but if I missed an episode I wouldn't be that upset. Somehow the new team dynamic just isn't working for me. I'm trying to give the new guy a chance, but Jonas just isn't making much of an emotional appeal in the way MS did. Probably the writers' fault -- they really haven't given the lad much to do that's creditable or interesting.

MS's absence is making a difference. Daniel's transcended self isn't satisfying in the way his mortal self was. He was conscience of the show and Jonas just isn't designed to fill that role.

The shippers who want to explore a S&J romance ala M&S in X-files are forgetting that it would be a complete violation of military rules. I wouldn't just have to "suspend my disbelief" but take it out and hang it by the neck until dead. Too much like soap opera.

IF the production moves to L.A. then we keep O'Neill, but it is filmed in Vancouver. So is it "no" to Vancouver or "no" to RDA? Asking an entire production company to move to keep one actor to maintain a cast dynamic for one more season seems like a lot to ask.

At some point, minus the lead characters brought over from the original film, minus the location, minus other members of cast and crew who may move on to other projects -- well, it ceases to be SG1.

There comes a time to let a show go, to let it end well with plenty of opportunities for feature films and spin-offs. The Star Trek shows have all gone through this and the franchise is still going strong (although I find "Enterprise" far less engaging than its predecessors). "Dr. Who" went on way past its time and we just came to accept its eccentricities, but I have never felt any great loyalty to watch every single episode and there are whole segments I tuned out because I didn't like the particular incarnation of the Doctor.

Yes, fans have to be willing to accept changes -- but that includes letting a show come to an end with its ratings still high enough to fuel future projects. If SG1 can't keep a 7th season at the same quality as the first 5 (I'm withholding judgment on S6), then it dies a slow, ugly death grasping at straws. I don't want to see that for SG1.
 
My POV

Okay... one of the major reasons SG-1 is shot in Canada is cost. please note the other Sci-Fi channel shows are also shot there: Outer Limits, Dark Skies, ext, with the exception of Farscape where Aus. is even cheaper. They can't afford to shoot in the US and I doubt RDA is gonna put his career before his family for another year.

SG-1 was about a team of four and one of them isn't there anymore. Jonas may be another character, but he is not 'one of the team' in my book. Sorry Personal opinion, but that's the way it is.

I have yet to see much mythology. We had some Goa'uld torture, but everything else has been NID or similar. No visiting new planets, cultures, etc. Kalowna was a 'rehash' of Earth history so not much stretch there.

Jack and Sam as a 'thing' will kill the very last attempt at keeping this show realistic: the military aspect. One of the few things still going for it, IMHO, and even that's been pretty well stretched. Good shows like "Moonlighting'. etc, have been killed by ship once the chemistry of the characters has changed.

I do love this show. But right now, it's not quite the thing I fell in love with. If it continues on the way it is right now, I would rather see it go than prolong something which is not longer the program I started watching.

Please realize this is my personal opinion and not that of ASci-Fi or anyone else. Your Milage May Vary.

Rowan
 
I vote we petition for 3 MOVIES!!!

Ya know, JQ is just fine, and I didn't expect him to be. I miss DJ, but season 5 was so bad, I just can't seem to get excited about season 6. I'm tired of listening to where RDA wants to live, and I just don't care anymore. AT & CJ can't carry a 4-person team alone. And where the hell is Janet?

How about three really quality movies?

*with good subplot lines that add up to a great movie
*that have much better scripts for the actors to work together as a team
*that gives the characters room to grow
*which takes the plotline BACK TO THE STARS, with more Egyptology or other cultures, great badguys (in skirts with gaudy hand jewelry, of course) (thereby leaving the conspiracies to the X-files reruns).

Everyone else makes threequels . . . why not Stargate?
 
Add in a live-and-kicking Dr. Jackson and ditch the Colonan and I'm with you there, Texane :D

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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And again we grand ladies are of the same mind. I suppose we need someone to say something controversial again, but frankly I can't think of anything to argue with here. :D
 
Be thankful for small mercies, m'dear. :)

Come to think of it, that's actually quite a large one...! :D

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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i agree with u guys. stargate without DJ is no stargate at all. i'm along way from watching S5 let alone S6 but it doesnt sound like im missing much. 6 years is a good length for a show. i will miss it but there will be other things. RIP SG-1
 
At the risk of getting flamed I disagree, I still really enjoy watching new episodes of stargate. I too, was a little uncertain how Jonas would get introduced, but to me the writers have done brilliantly with a very bad situation. We all would have liked to see the original four team members stay to the end but the fact that MS decided to leave meant the team dynamic of 4 would no longer be there.

Jonas hasn't had it easy, in the first 6 episodes of season 6 he's been punched up by Teal'c, ignored by Jack, teased by Carter (thinking Nightwalkers). You can see he's trying to be part of the team and gradually he's winning them over. He'll never replace Daniel. I know that, you know that, and I believe the writers and producers know that.

I've listened to all the "Abyss" ravings but frankly the episode wasn't that good even though Daniel was back. To me it seemed more of a "let's get Daniel back to please the fans" episode than an actual requirement of the story.

Reading through the latest TV Zone SG-1 Special makes you realise the hard work that's put into the show from the art, musical scores, CG and the actual acting.

I really hate all this Stargate Bashing. Episode Bashing I can deal with. Just thought I'd balance the opinion and raise the stakes ;)
 
Opinions

Sphinx, there won't be any flaming on this list. I get cranky about that sort of thing. That's why I've got the blue aliens. ;)

As for opinions: That's something we all have and there's no problem with that or expressing them. It's had to define when an opinion slids over into bashing, though. I have a feeling that might be dependent on your own perspective on the statements.

I really have seen 'Stargate Bashing' here on the forums. What I've seen has been some discontent with Season 6 and the major changes that have taken place in it. That's somethig that bound to happen when a formula that has been in place for several years has radical changes made to it.

So as long as we all 'agree to disagree' with polite words and gestures, I think we're still doing okay here.

Rowan
 
More in sorrow than in anger

I think a lot of the irritation stems from the fact that, as Sphinx says:

"the writers have done brilliantly with a very bad situation. "
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1. The very bad situation is entirely of their own making. The fact that M.S. chose to leave was largely forced on him by the way the character of Dr. Jackson was being continually marginalised over the previous two years and that none of T.P.T.B. seemed disposed to give him the time of day when he voiced his concerns about this. They appeared to be unwilling and/or unable to accommodate those concerns.

Faced with having to fill the void of their own creating, they decided, unbelievably, to replace him with a character who is about as plausible as Shrek would be as a replacement for Dopey in 'Snow-White and the Seven Dwarves'.

2. While the writers made no efforts to maintain and develop a viable, original and much loved character, they have happily pulled out all the stops as regards cramming the implausible new square peg into the vacant comfortably rounded hole. Whether they have done brilliantly or not is a matter of opinion. The fact they were suddenly prepared to exert themselves in this way really, really grates, like fingernails down a blackboard.

Just my two penn'orth.

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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No fire zone

I do not flame -- rant, a bit, maybe.

I still enjoy watching SG1, but not as much as I did. Please recall that I left off at S4 and was thrust into S6, so I have even less continuity to draw on than many of you. I don't dislike JQ, but I haven't decided if I really care what happens to him either. The actor has a very hard job in front of him and I give him credit for taking the leap into uncharted territory.

The writers/producers created a problem that caused a popular actor to leave and now an unknown is expected to pick up the slack. So far, it isn't really working for me and to see it dragged out painfully for a proposed extra season would mean some serious REALLY HARD work for the writers to remake the SG1 team dynamic into what it once was. So far it hasn't happened.

While I enjoyed seeing MS in "Abyss," I'm not as comfortable with the ascended Daniel as I was with the fully human one. At least TPTB didn't turn him into a deus ex machina -- the quicky fix to all unresovable plot problems. :)

So I'm giving S6 a chance, but I have grave doubts that S7 is possible. Just slapping the Stargate name on a program reminds me of those lean years before "Star Trek Next Generation" Remember "Star Trek the Animated Series"? Not a road I care to travel again.
 
I for one am enjoying season 6. I thought redemption 1&2 were a great way to start, descent a fantastic adventure for all involved. Frozen...well unless something else happens with the ancients thread, it seemed to be written solely to get jack snaked.
as someone that writes fic, and given the inherently dangerous nature of the SGC, there were better ways.
now if the ancients angle comes back up...that'll 'justify' this eps better.
nightwalkers...i enjoyed it. even without jack. I do know of course, that it will have an effect on a later eps. The episode existed to put a plot device in place for later use.

abyss...sigh...the acting was stellar. rda more than earned his money for that one. the subtle effects were great. even my picky eyes couldn't rip them apart. the general theme of the eps...it was written for the sole purpose of bringing daneil back...and it showed. Personally, i think the desire to give daneil ample time made the story suffer a bit. If wishes were horses and rewriting was my job....there are a couple of things that i'd have changed. but that's just me.

shadowplay....i never saw the movie it's been compared to so i throughly enjoyed it. i loved trying to figure out the plot and was in chat with some friends while i watched so we had a spirited conversation about what was going to happen.

the other eps in season 6 that i've heard/read about....some of them look fantastic to me, others lame. but that's my opinion. and i've learned in the past that judging an eps on the basis of spoilers isn't always the wisest thing to do. I'll wait and see.

As to season 7...i enjoyed the x-files until they moved. it seemed to me that they 'lost' something, some of the atmosphere stayed in canada. And i'm afraid stargate might suffer the same fate. Yes, i adore jack and love rda...if there is a season 7 in vancouver that is sans jack....i'll give it a watch. probably bail on the fandom but i'll watch the show.

but given that if they move to la we're gonna lose, the tollan home world, o'malley's, jack's cabin, sam's house, janet's house, tha alpha site...and all those other wonderful locations...i would rather they end on a high note with season 6 then beat a dead horse and have it end with a sour note and a supreme lack of interest like x-files has.
 
Originally posted by skydiver
...i would rather they end on a high note with season 6 then beat a dead horse and have it end with a sour note and a supreme lack of interest like x-files has.
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STNG seems to have found the right formula -- end the show with good ratings then do feature films. I'm all for the continuing adventures of SG1, but given a choice between a shadow of the former series' glory and well-crafted films, I'll take the latter any day.
 
well, as I said somewhere else, I've got so use to the idea of 6S being the last, I've been expecting it. Though I love SG to bits, I'd hate to have S7 to flop as it would affect the new movie theur suppose to make. So Rowan is Kalowna a name of one of the eps? Seeing how it's the name of a place here in BC.
 
Me Too Post

I have to agree completely with the opinions expressed by Hashepsut, Space Monkey and many of the others. If I were fighting for a 7th Season that was of the same cast and writing caliber as Seasons 1-3 of SG-1, I'd be right up there with the banners and petitions.

But the show has become a shadow of its former self. The writers are shamelessly stringing along the shippers who love the Sam & Jack interaction, dropping hints and promises in exchange for support and continued viewership--and very few hints of any kind of payoff. Just promises. If you aren't beginning to feel like a sucker by now, what's it going to take to realize you're being taken advantage of?

Corim Nemec might be okay in other roles, but the writers are trying to hard to *force* the viewers to like this character, and not using the right tactics to accomplish it. I'm not going to love Jonas Quinn more because they are going to reveal that he's got more super abilities. I'm not going to like him more because he eats a lot. He isn't going to get more appealing because he gets slapped around, and he isn't more likable because he gets to save the day an inordinate amount of times. Jonas Quinn has no depth of CHARACTER. He has no dynamic chemistry with any of the other regulars, and we don't care who he 'knows' (and is played by a guest star celebrity); none of it is a substitute for a poorly-conceived character, trying too hard with no basis for acceptance except that he's a 'last resort' for Jack O'Neill. When he's onscreen, if he isn't annoying me, he's boring me into stupefaction.

If Season 7 is simply going to be an extension of Season 6, I'll see you over at FIREFLY fandom, or somewhere. It's painful to continue watching the deconstruction of a show that used to have extraordinary quality in all aspects.

Leah
 
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