PETITION for SEASON 7

[Rowan]

Originally posted by Hatshepsut


SPOILER WARNING:

I have read quite a lot in posts about 'Abyss' that

Spoiler

a discarnate Daniel leaves Jack in order to visit Teal'c and Sam at S.G.C., and give them hints about means of rescuing Jack.
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I've also read that Joe Mallozzi denies this and says that it is entirely in the mind of the viewer.

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I find that interesting since i read in a post made by Brad Wright said that's what he meant for people to see in it and he wrote the script.

Rowan

 

[Hatshepsut]

Ah. I misconstrued what you meant. Sorry. I was thinking of the space between the lines rather than the quality of the lines themselves.

And yes, the cast have been stuck with some pretty duff scripts lately. I'm excluding S6 from this as I'd only be going on heresay, but 'Fail Safe' was seriously dire, having a 1950s plot and lacking both pace and tension.

Having so many scriptwriters seems to cause quite a few continuity problems. Don't they have anyone to oversee continuity? I seem to remember one of T.P.T.B. saying that the Stargate fact file is longer than the Bible.

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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[Rowan]

Considerations

I may be considered snarky, but there weren't that many continuity problems until mid S4. Up until then, writers tended to check out previous scripts, or something. It really began to come apart in S5.

And yeah, "FS" was ... odd. IMHO, it could have been an okay idea, but not the way it finally came out post-production.

Rowan

 

[Hatshepsut]

Not snarky, Rowan. You're quite right.

The first three series are pretty solid. Wonder if there was a change in the staff responsible for overseeing continuity in series 4. Anyone any idea?

Although the amount of information is pretty staggering, one would have thought that with all the computer power avaible these days, it wouldn't be a monumental task to keep on top o things. Heaven knows, the fans seem to be able to

'The Archers' - British radio series set in a farming community - has been running five nights a week for the past 50 years and they managed to keep reasonable tabs on continuity even when they only had index card files.

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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[webmouse]

Based on changes in story quality found in some of the Star Trek series, my husband and I have formed a theory that there is an "A Team" of writers who get the series off the ground and keep it going for a couple of seasons.

Then TPTB move the A Team onto whatever the latest project is and put the B Team in charge. Suddenly there are continuity errors, implausible plots, radical shifts in character, and other anomalies that continue through to the demise of the series.

Only a theory, of course, but this may be what has happened to SG1. Those shows that deliver consistent and credible writing are probably handled by the same script team throughout the run of the series.

<And now for something completely off the topic >
Another of our theories -- ever notice that the most important person must wear the silliest hat? Just look at 18th-19th century portraits -- Napoleon, the Kaiser, Admiral Nelson, etc. The biggest, gaudiest, most impractical hat goes to the guy at the top.

 

[Texane]

It is a shame that TPTB didn't realize what sense MS was making; they probably saw it as another actor grousing (and maybe it was). I think Season 5 (the X-Files season) went too far afield from what keeps the fans glued to the show: traveling to other places that we haven't imagined yet. The character of Daniel Jackson was a part of puzzling out those new places.

As to Jonas Quinn, I think TPTB should have been smart enough to know they would not be able to fill DJ's shoes with a character that was somewhat like him. And if that were not their intent, they definitely should have known they would not have enough time (one season) to get past the obstacle of his theft of the Nequadriah, make him a probable and accepted member of SG-1 after the theft, and give the character a foundation upon which to grow.

I believe they should have written an entirely different character. I admit this would not have been any easier, but it would have made more sense. I do believe Corin Nemec has done well with what he has been given to work with.

 

[webmouse]

Although I have only seen a few eps of S5 and all of S6 thus far, I'm under the impression that the show is being "dumbed down" for some other audience demographic.

Once you get into implausible conspiracy theory tales with unredeemable bad guys versus super good guys and neither is putting a lot of thought into the consequences of their actions, there isn't a place for Daniel Jackson -- nor much room for the audience that has held onto this show since the beginning.

Exploring other worlds and the possiblities of our actions there, teasing out the riddles of the past and piecing together the mystery at present -- all that takes thought. It seems that TPTB aren't willing to put that kind of effort into it anymore.

And despite posts I've read saying how pleased the producers are with the quality of stories being generated and the ratings of S6, the fact is that they are living in a fool's paradise. I'm perhaps the least observant, easiest to entertain gal out here, but I'm not stupid. When the plot holes are big enough to lose a Buick in, I'm not impressed.

I keep watching because I keep hoping that the old magic will return. And if not, I've got a place to let my opinions be known. Thanks ascifi.com :wave:

 

[Imotech]

bring on season 7

 

[Rowan]

Welcome

And you're welcome, Webmouse. We're here to be an open ground for discussion and comments.


Glad you like it here

Rowan

 

[webmouse]

SciFi's announced that next week's ep is the "season finale." Does that mean they are creating a "Season 7" by dividing up Season 6?

(And we're still waiting around here for S5 )

 

[gategeek]

Originally posted by webmouse
SciFi's announced that next week's ep is the "season finale." Does that mean they are creating a "Season 7" by dividing up Season 6?

i think it just means we're gonna have to wait till january to see the rest of S6.
there's a transcript of a chat with joe mallozi at
http://www.sjhw.net/death/news11.html

that gives some info on a possible S7.
shanilka

 

[Rowan]

S7?

I think that is it, gategeek. I know Farscape has already been funded for S4 & S5 and they did the same 'season fianle' thing on them.

Rowan

 

[webmouse]

Ah, the arcane inner-workings of cable network television.

I just keep my eye on the TV guide, tape SG1 whenever it airs, then sort out what I'm watching later.

 

[Imotech]

is anyone knowing i S6 is gonna air in UK? i missed S5 dont wanna miss S6!

 

[neith4]

it seems as tho to save the show and frankly I have doubts about the possibility of season 7 we have to

joke - put jonas into leather pants?

give the currently all-male writing team a good collective verbal kicking

like hello there are cyberGRRLs and "WIMMEN" and intelligent adult women who love sf watching the show and not just to drool at the guys tho they certainly must of emptied the gyms and dojos in vancouver for THE WARRIOR

we dont mind being teased but not blatantly manipulated
like example Failsafe a good episode okay bUUUT did Daniel do anyway in it but be "cute" - sleeping danny with book????

make them stop watching other shows and READ some real classic SF novels - frankly I tolerated those asteroid movies but preferrd novels - anyone read Moonfall?

PLEASE remember yes this is an action show
BUT a SCIENCE FICTION action show

I dont know a postcard campaign - cards with

CHARACTER AND PLOT COME BEFORE CUTENESS AND HUMOR????

in b i i i g REd letters?

or maybe just postcards saying - we give up !!!

just put everyone into leather gear!!!



:crazy: :blpaw: :blpaw: :blpaw:

 

[Hatshepsut]

A little speculation

Just putting a few random snippets of information together and seeing what sort of picture they might paint:

Just recently JM, having, as I understand it, dismissed SDJ campaigners as hormonal women lamenting the loss of their eye-candy, and made (so far as I am aware) unsubstantiated allegations about their forwarding death threats to him - and not apologizing for that aspersion - has been seen on the SDJ discussion board, being pleasant.

A rapprochement between JM and SDJ?

Why, I ask myself, and why now...?

**I understand that, because none of the ratings for the series 6 episodes shown thus far has reached the required level, MGM has scrapped plans for the film, which means everyone's going to be out of a job when the production run finishes in the not too distant future.

**JM has been talking about a potential series 7, saying that it would push the film back by a year. This could be a way of disguising that the film is dead in the water.

**I also understand that RDA will return for the seventh series. (That sounds a bit far-fetched, I must admit.)

**BUT, if the ratings are not as high as MGM requires, there probably won't be either a seventh series or a film unless they can win back the section of fandom that they have so successfully alienated.

**SO-- T.P.T.B. have probably realized, a bit late in the day, that they need the support of SDJ, since if SDJ comes back on side, so will most of the disaffected fans.  It is therefore in their interest to send JM out to make nice with them.

**IF this succeeds, and the ratings for the rest of the series improve, this would be a bargaining chip to get approval for a seventh series.

**IF  T.P.T.B. can turn in a successful seventh series, this could rekindle MGM's interest in the film - and keep everyone in work for at least another year, maybe two.

**BUT this is unlikely to happen without *both* Daniel Jackson - alive and kicking - *and* Jack O'Neill.  And I don't think Michael Shanks will return unless there is a drastic change in certain attitudes and in the direction the programme has taken over the last few years. In which case, a seventh series could be a real blast!

The next few months *could* prove quite interesting, though in view of all the ifs and buts, probably not.

Can but hope. 

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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[Rowan]

Re: A little speculation

Originally posted by Hatshepsut

The next few months *could* prove quite interesting, though in view of all the ifs and buts, probably not.

Can but hope. 
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"Very interesting" may well turn out to be the statement of the day. We can but watch and see.

I do admit it has been interesting following the various Q&A's with Mr. Mallozzi on the 'Solutions' website.

Rowan

 

[webmouse]

I have been considering a letter to JM and co. from the POV of an adult, intelligent woman (which I am, BTW) explaining how the changes are affecting my view of SG1. Acceptiing all that has happened as a done deal, what they might consider as ways out of the mess they've put themselves in as regards MS, CN, and the overall plot trend presented thus far.

I freely admit that I do not pretend to know what goes on behind the scenes, but I am very much aware of what is going on out here (an area that they do not seem to enter).

Such a letter will probably have little more effect than making ME feel better, like I've made a contribution, but there is an old rule that for every paper letter received there are 100 similar ones that were never sent.

Might be worth a shot.

 

[gategeek]

Re: A little speculation

Originally posted by Hatshepsut
Just putting a few random snippets of information together and seeing what sort of picture they might paint:

Just recently JM, having, as I understand it, dismissed SDJ campaigners as hormonal women lamenting the loss of their eye-candy, and made (so far as I am aware) unsubstantiated allegations about their forwarding death threats to him - and not apologizing for that aspersion - has been seen on the SDJ discussion board, being pleasant.
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re the allegations of hate mail, death threats etc. here is an excerpt of comments made by joe mallozi on gateworld re SDJ-

"Hate mail? "Impossible!"you claim. You make it clear that, of the
letters posted on the Guestbook at SDJ, "none of them constitute
hate mail." In which case I have to ask what, exactly, do you
classify as hate mail? Would this be considered hate
mail:
"Precisely HOW far up your ass do you have to have wedged your skull to miss the fact that pursuing the ****-n-`splosions
demographic is a sure-fire recipe to send you show down in flames? It NEVER WORKS, you nitwits. How the hell can you possibly have missed this?"?
Or: "Just wanted to ask Mullie & Mollozzi how it feels to be two of the most hated and despised "people" on the face
of the Earth? Does Hollywood still have a black list? If so your
names should go on the very top. Why don't you crawl back under your rock and give us all a break…"
Or how about "What the HELL?!Your comparing Teal'c to THAT slime?? You've lost it, lost the plot, losing me, jerk."?
Not hate mail? Maybe "intense dislike" mail? Are we walking the fine line here?
People involved in the production aren't reacting to rumours. They're reacting to the very real posts they've read on your site. You refer to "the hoary old spectre of `death threats' for which no proof whatsoever has ever been offered". Okay, how about: "I have just read the last post and I could kill someone, no not just someone Joseph Mallozzi!!!"
You assure us that "We can't take responsibility for what any
individual unknown to us writes in a letter also unknown to us".
Then how about an individual known to you? Maybe even a front and center member of your own SDJ Steering Group. Susan Glasgow of San Dimas, California offers Brad Wright the following well-wishes: "I don't know what sort of petty, ego-feeding issues you are catering to, but get over them (…) I think you are a clueless, lazy SOB & I hope this mess will dog your footsteps for the rest of your unimaginative and mundane career. By the way – this isn't hate mail. This is `I pity your pathetic abilities' mail."

 

[Hatshepsut]

That's a very clever post by JM, isn't it?

I notice he doesn't actually state that any of those comments, except the last one, originates from the SDJ site.

He first refers to SDJ then poses a question and follows it with some offensive comments for which he, strangely, gives no attribution. The close association of the comments with the mention of SDJ leads the reader to believe that they must have come from SDJ.

I said 'strangely' because normally you have to add your name and e-mail address to any comments you post, so they can't have been anonymous, nor does he say that they were. So why not name and shame the posters?

This suggests that they do not actually derive from the SDJ site, except for the last one to which he gives full attribution, including the comment that it is not 'hate mail'.

A statment from SDJ reads:-

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"I will have to make do with the odd incoherent rambling death threat passed along to me from the SDJ site." - Joseph Mallozzi, April 13, 2002
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Mr. Mallozzi is claiming to have received death threats forwarded from the SDJ site. As concerned internet citizens we are of course appalled by this and wish to extend any help we can in tracking down the author of any such death threats. We are more than willing to cooperate in any investigation of this matter and ask them to please get in touch with us.

We at SDJ would like to make it clear that we have never condoned, forwarded, or in any way encouraged messages, letters, calls or any other form of communication containing death threats toward members of the production or any other staff at MGM, Gekko, SciFi, Showtime or any other entity involved with the series Stargate SG-1.

We have, in fact, urged just the opposite. There is only one impassioned viewer post here (January 31, 2002) that could be even *remotely* construed as a 'death threat' if taken seriously. We have chosen to leave it in place with a strong warning beneath that this sort of thing will not be tolerated even at times of high emotion.

If there are any other posts that Mr. Mallozzi feels are threatening, we ask him or his representative to contact us with the post in question and we will do our utmost to settle things to everyone's satisfaction.

To say the least, we are greatly dismayed and saddened by these unfounded accusations by Mr. Mallozzi that SDJ would knowingly and deliberately participate in, encourage or propagate such behavior.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

SDJ: As of today, Joe Mallozzi has still *NOT* contacted us offering *any* proof, nor has he offered any apology for these unwarranted allegations.

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Personally, I have never seen any flames as such on the SDJ site, nor even anything as abrasive as the quote from Susan Glasgow. One wonders how much time he's spent going through all those posts in the Guest Book. <grin> He obviously has a lot more spare time than I have! And they must make very depressing reading unless you have a hide like a rhinoceros...

Here's a random couple:-

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I don't think anyone could call me a rabid Daniel Jackson fan, but... I was only an irregular viewer of the series before the sixth season (mainly because I could never get the local market's airing schedule down), and even I was annoyed and affronted by the attempt to slip the Jonas character into the Daniel slot. It's just not working for me! I'm not sayin' that Jonas shouldn't continue to work with SGC, but I think Daniel added more to the team dynamic than Jonas does, or can. Apologies to Corin Nemec, but his character just seems a bit 2-dimensional to me!
I'm just sayin' that I feel the show would benefit from Michael Shank's return!

Fritz Leipold <fritz@wittnet.com>
Newark, Delaware, USA - Sunday, August 18, 2002, 3:00:13 PM

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I am devastated by the loss of Daniel's character on Stargate SG-1. The series' success has, in my mind, relied on the interaction of the four main characters of the SG1 team and without Daniel the chemistry is just not there. I hope that Daniel will be brought back to the series and the upcoming movie. Without him, interest in the series and any future movies will die off.

Glenna Mitchener <gmitchener@sympatico.ca>
Oakville, Ontario - Friday, August 16, 2002, 8:28:06 PM

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The questions remain:

Why is JM suddenly being co-operative with these people for whom he appears to have so little respect? And why now?

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:

P.S. If you, too, would like to go through the Guest Book with a fine-toothed comb, the URL is:

http://www.savedanieljackson.com/manyvoices/guestbook.asp

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