Is Stargate the ultimate atheist sci-fi universe ?

[summershake]

I agree with you, PTeppic.

Let's keep this on-topic, please.

Thanks for your opinions.

 

[DragonBaby]

Being non religious myself it has always intrigued me about how they deal with the issue in Stargate. Daniel always said the goulds were impersonating the old gods. he never actually said they WERE the old gods. I guess that is just leaving it open to the viewers interpretation. For me it makes more sense that the goulds came to earth and started the religions in order to get willing slaves as opposed to coming here, studying the cultures and learning about the gods and then convincing people they were Ra/Satan or whoever. But of course if the show actually said that then it would lead on to the inevitable of all the religions being created by the gould and this would make many people unhappy. I think they have dealt with it in a manner that pleases everyone. In other words, interpret it however you like. As far as reality goes almost all religions are based around a powerful being, or god. Usually who comes from above, heaven or the universe. this same idea goes back to the days of the ancient egyptian gods. So possibly god was an alien, a powerful almighty being. Wouldnt make him any less what a god is meant to be. Obviously this wouldnt work for the gould becuase of their cruelty but it would work for oma desala and the much talked about ancients. I dont think its a subject that would be fully explored on stargate becuase of the risk of upsetting many people but the wonderful thing about sci fi is that it always leaves us free to interpret things in a way we are comfortable with.

 

[Dawes]

Any mention of religion/religious topics, however well intentioned, tends to turn threads really unpleasant, really quick. It's unfortunate, but it happens (sadly) too often.

 

[PTeppic]

Ditto politics.
In RL I tend to refuse to discuss either - even with Mrs P'Teppic. :blush:

 

[PTeppic]

Just going off on my own tangent:

Oddly enough - they COULD do a Christmas episode... although technically it is only the festival of one religion it is the one celebrated world-wide by US troops. I've just seen TV footage of "santa" visiting troops in the middle east, so we can presume that any off-world troops would also celebrate somehow... leading to I don't know what, but its a possibility.....

 

[Wingless Flyer]

I don't think there would be anything wrong with showing christmas celebrations in the SGC and off world teams, I mean, it would be more surprising if they didn't celebrate it and anyone who would be offended by it probably doesn't watch Stargate anyway..

Can anyone picture a piognant end to an episode showing Christmas at the end of it?

 

[PTeppic]

Originally posted by Wingless Flyer
Can anyone picture a piognant end to an episode showing Christmas at the end of it?

Rudolf's eyes glow... :rolly2: :rolly2:

 

[Dr.Jackson]

Originally posted by Wingless Flyer
Can anyone picture a piognant end to an episode showing Christmas at the end of it?

How about an episode, set on Christmas eve? Everyone is celebrating at the SGC and a Goa'uld attacks from a remote planet (like so many have done before) - SG-1 are sent to take out the attack force on this planet. They blow up the new weapon being built or something like that, Jack looks at his watch, it's 12:00 midnight. It starts to snow as they all wish each other Merry Xmas.

The alternative ending on that would be that it snows on the planet while they're attacking. At the end the SGC opens the iris and gets pelted with snowballs as SG-1 comes through!

 

[Ko'or Oragahn]

Hey, that is a sound idea.

 

[RaTY]

Anubis is unveiled and is found to be the original Grinch.
Jim Carey knocks down rumours that he will be making a cameo appearance on Stargate.

 

[Ko'or Oragahn]

Well, I'd like to make this thread come a bit cak to reality.
I'm reviving it a bit.

First, I'd like to say that a similar thread was recentry posted at another major gater website.

You may want to have a look before it gets closed or even deleted (I hope not but, well who knows ?).

Now, bits and quotes ...

The Sumerian god Enki was the source of all secret and magical knowledge of life and immortality. The myths say that he could return the dead back to life. Worryingly, exactly the qualities attributed to the serpent in the garden of Eden. Does this mean he was a Goa'uld?
The thing with using ancient mythology is that you can use an abuse it as necessary in sci-fi.

Yes, this thing about the serpent miraculously and conveniently stick to the Goa'uld physioniomy.
That could be very very interesting.

And if Jesus, as part of the SG universe, were an alien, he'd have been a Tok'Ra, as he was benevolent.

I don't know. Sure, in order to avoid any particular overheated reaction, especially from the right winged christants fundamentalists, Jesus should be portrayed as a Tok'ra.
Well, in fact, I don't think they would even accept that Jesus could be portrayed as anything else than a true god, unfortunately.

That would be actually fun to see an episode with Jesus discovered inside a sarcophagus and seeing how his name is abundantly used and twisted. The producers of the show could use this arc in order to spread some kind of humanist message, a thing that anyway can do only good.
And Jesus would somehow recant for using the Testaments because he tasted to the luxury of power and nearly acted like his sworn enemies, the Goa'ulds.

Could be also fun in fact to learn that Jesus was the son of two Goa'ulds (you know, those hypecisi or something like that).

Damn, I would actually pay to see that.

The things I know about mythology is that all the gods (Egyptian, Summerian and from other cultures) have portraits and ours hasn't. Don't you think that's weird?

And then Anubis's host species comes into play. Or maybe the Ancients ? Maybe Anubis's host is an Ancient (it may have been said in the show but unfortunately I didn't see the sixth season).

If anything, events and theory presented in Frozen of a Ancient guided or planned evolution touches on this "God created man" theme. Don't know if the writers meant to do it, but it could be taken that way.

Very subtle. Maybe too subtle ?

Being non religious myself it has always intrigued me about how they deal with the issue in Stargate. Daniel always said the goulds were impersonating the old gods. he never actually said they WERE the old gods.

So we could say that we're impersonating Jesus or Allah. Left to interpretation, it should really cause waves.

As far as reality goes almost all religions are based around a powerful being, or god. Usually who comes from above, heaven or the universe. this same idea goes back to the days of the ancient egyptian gods. So possibly god was an alien, a powerful almighty being.

Yes, just a theory. It's just that, so I don't see why some people would worry about taht show. It's just an opinion.

I dont think its a subject that would be fully explored on stargate becuase of the risk of upsetting many people but the wonderful thing about sci fi is that it always leaves us free to interpret things in a way we are comfortable with.

Who knows ? We saw plenty of films and shows that were pro religious, if not pro christian, and despite the brainwashing, we didn't really heard any atheists political organization demanding those films and shows to not be broadcast.
I think things should stop happening only one way, even more if the show is open to interpretation.

Anubis is unveiled and is found to be the original Grinch.
Jim Carey knocks down rumours that he will be making a cameo appearance on Stargate.

I don't know if that woudl be as funny as Wormhole Extreme...

Err, just a question.

Given the Tok'ra's opinion about the Goa'ulds and especially Ra, why, in the name Tok'ra, the "R" should be put in caps ?