Just What do People Want?

Keep an open mind Ray

I do not want Battlestar Galactica to be a Cinema Verité documentary!


Ron Moore has said he would use the Cinema Verité style of filming for his "re-imaging" of Battlestar Galactica. It is much less expensive than regular linear film making. (classic story telling) One of cinema verité’s best known to contemporary audiences is The Blair Witch Project. It is famous for how inexpensive it as to make, and how much money it made. I do not want Battlestar Galactica to be filmed like a cheap documentary.

Plus, I bet he will cast various Star Trek actors, also. I wonder if will President Laura Roslin is to be portrayed by Majel Barrett Roddenberry?
 
Re: Keep an open mind Ray

Originally posted by dvo47p
I do not want Battlestar Galactica to be a Cinema Verité documentary!

Plus, I bet he will cast various Star Trek actors, also. I wonder if will President Laura Roslin is to be portrayed by Majel Barrett Roddenberry?
What ever do you have against ST actors?

I doubt if Ron is going to employ any of the former ST 'stars', they will still be under rent-a-mob contract to P'mount. But the pool of guest stars and extras is going to be fairly universal, so they may appear. Just as they did in the original.

Nor does low cost automatically equal bad. I have never watched Blair Witch (too popular with critics to make it worth watching). But wobbly hand video and flourescent lighting has been ruled out.
 
Hey Ray, I seen the Blair witch project and I thought it was a whole lot of 3 teens saying (let’s get the *&^% out of the woods) for over an hour.

LOL

OWD
 
Originally posted by OWD
Hey Ray, I seen the Blair witch project and I thought it was a whole lot of 3 teens saying (let’s get the *&^% out of the woods) for over an hour.
LOL!

I've checked the reviews and they are very polarised between those that think it the best thing since sliced bread (generally older people) and those that thought it the worst mistake since the invention of politics (generally youngsters).

It did make a lot of money though and for BG to have a life after the mini-series I suggest that this is something it will have to emulate?
 
The latest news is that a prequel is being considered. I like the sound of this a lot better. First of all, I've already seen the origin story. With a prequel we get to see something new with, possibly, younger versions of the characters Galactica fans already know and like.
 
Yes I like this a lot better too.
It adds to the franchise and leaves the door open for a continuation which also would add to the franchise.

OWD
 
Does this mean that they have scrapped the script again, or trimed off the end to tack it on the front?
 
Originally posted by Captain Cumquat
The latest news is that a prequel is being considered. I like the sound of this a lot better.

Yeah, I agree this sounds better than what Moore was thinking, and as OWD says leave the door open for a continuation later. :D

Krystal :p
 
Before one gets too het up over what they are destroying in BG, may I suggest having a look at what is being touted for the new Thunderbirds film in the Thunderbirds

At least BG is being left with the basic concept, plot and characters, even if they have had a sex change on the way. For T/Birds they appear to have thrown plot, concept and characters away as well!
 
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Originally posted by Dave
So, what you want is a kind of 'Battlestar Galactica: The Next Generation'. With Apollo and Starbuck replacing Adama as the wise old leaders?
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YES!!!!! That is exactly what I want. Or more specificaly Richard Hatch and Dirk Benedict(sp) reprising their roles and being the "wise old leaders." That would be brilliant. Well ok maybe not exactly the wise old leaders, but the leaders nonetheless.

However, I must say that even though I'm extremely disappointed with the changes they are making (Starbuck), I'm trying to keep an open mind. It's gonna be hard but I'm gonna try to watch it NOT as a remake but as someone elses interpretation.

I was able to do it with Lord of the Rings, and boy was I pleasantly suprised and astounded with that. Never before have I been so accepting of MAJOR changes made from book to movie, but it happened and it could happen again? (Which makes me think...making Starbuck a female would be like making Sam a female)

Although I don't think it will be the same caliber of work (LotR), I'm willing to give it a chance.
 
I guess where Galactica had that magic and was never really finished unless you want to count Galactica 80 that wasn't our show that we asked for at all, We would like to know where they are today in their quest. We kicked up a fuss back in 79 about bringing the show back and they gave us something we didn't ask for. We have been kicking up a fuss in the last so many years and once again they are giving us something that we don't want.

I won't be watching but I respect the decisions of those who will and I hope they enjoy it. For me it's just a reminder of how the new production totally ignored this fan base with a petition that is over 16700 and a lot of them are vocal on what they want to see.

Tom Desanto could have really turned this into another Trek franchise because the potential is huge in my opinion and I hope he still gets the chance after the X-men 2.

On top of all the things that I dislike about Ron's new script, I hear that he isn't interested in exploring the mythology of Galactica.
The 2 things that the fans have always said would have made Galactica better were better writing (Which we understand because of time constraints) and more stories on its mythology.

As a huge fan of this show, I'm still hoping that some one will wake me up and tell me that this 95% re-imagining is a bad dream.

OWD
 
From Wired magazine

Fans Battle TV Over Galactica

http://www.wired.com/news/games/0,2101,59906,00.html

The 1978 sci-fi TV series Battlestar Galactica turns 25 in 2003, and a host of products will launch around the anniversary: DVD box sets of the original series and a feature film are due out in October, followed by a new prequel game for PlayStation 2 and Xbox in November. An interactive TV prototype is in development, as well, under the auspices of the American Film Institute.

But by far the most controversial element of Galactica revivalism is a new four-hour miniseries starring Edward James Olmos and Mary McDonnell, airing Dec. 7 on the Sci Fi Channel. (A preview airs Aug. 8 during the Tremors season finale).

The original 1970s series debuted on the heels of Star Wars, but lasted only one season. Despite adding up to only 24 hours of show time and a disastrous '80s remake, its fan base exploded when the original went into international syndication.
Decades of reruns spawned fans diverse in age, geography and demographics -- but largely united in reaction to the forthcoming miniseries.
They hate it.

"It's a travesty," said Shawn O'Donnell, co-host of the Battlestar Galactica Fan Club. The 30-something California resident became a fan in 1979, and then contacted original series star Richard Hatch (Capt. Apollo) two decades later to ask for the actor's virtual blessing on the club's newly created website.
Hatch, who has written five Battlestar Galactica novels, admits even he was unaware of just how popular the quarter-century-old show was until "third-generation" fans like O'Donnell began reaching out. An epiphany hit when Hatch's girlfriend convinced him to attend a mid-'90s Star Trek convention packed with Galactica fans.

"I walked in thinking, 'Why am I here,’†said Hatch. "Then, they started lining up for my autograph, and the line stretched around the block -- people in their teens, 20s, 30s. The show was about a community struggling to survive, looking for a safe place to belong. I guess that mythological quality just touches people in some profound, personal way."
Inspired, the onetime '70s heartthrob launched an epic battle of his own: a one-man crusade to persuade Sci Fi Channel parent company Universal -- which owned the original series rights -- to green-light a remake.

With no studio help but an abundance of donated resources and talent from fans, filmmakers and effects gurus, Hatch developed a trailer for what was to become Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming. Tens of thousands of dollars in personal credit-card debt later, Hatch toured the sci-fi convention circuit promoting the bootstrapped preview to standing ovations.
Distraught fans complain network execs witnessed that grass-roots support, then created a new show without Hatch that bore little resemblance to either the actor's proposed remake or the '70s classic.

"Richard's trailer captured what fans really wanted -- a continuation of the original," said fan club leader O'Donnell. "What's airing in December has nothing to do with that. Sci Fi Channel is pushing out something with the Battlestar name, but the feel is more Beverly Hills 90

The 1978 prototype and the forthcoming TV "re-imagining" share some essentials: In both, earthlings cruise among the stars aboard a ship named Galactica when evildoers demolish their world. Homeless human heroes vow to survive, and the show follows their quest for a new place in space.

Beyond that, it's all alien. Countless changes ****ing off fans include a virtual sex change for Starbuck, the hunky, fearless fighter pilot played by actor Dirk Benedict in the '70s series. News of the suddenly female character, now played by Katee Sackhoff (The Education of Max Bickford), has inspired online petitions and impassioned online bulletin board campaigns demanding that the suits at the Sci Fi Channel "keep their hands off Starbuck's genitals." Other characters have been altered or deleted, and the show's aesthetic is said to be darker, sexier and edgier than the original.

X-Men and X2 executive producer Tom DeSanto and director Bryan Singer originally were tapped to head the new production, but schedule conflicts reportedly led to recasting former USA Cable Senior Vice President David Eick and writer Ronald D. Moore (Roswell, Mission: Impossible II, Star Trek: First Contact) as co-executive producers, with Michael Rymer (Angel Baby, Queen of the Damned) directing.

"Our hope is to branch out and attract new fans, but surprise original fans by demonstrating that we understand the essence of the original," said Eick, whose TV credits include co-producing Hercules: The Legendary Journeys and co-creating its spin-off, Xena: Warrior Princess. "Both the cinematography and the emotional style with which actors perform in the new show are very realistic and non-theatrical."
Eick said it won't feel like conventional science-fiction television, and cites inspirations as diverse as the film Black Hawk Down and the vintage Atari arcade game Asteroids.

"We considered seriously how space travel might happen. In outer space, objects in motion remain in motion. You can't bank against a gravitational pull. There's a sense of organized chaos, you have to turn your craft around and fire jets in the opposite direction to slow down -- just like the old games. When we were developing the show, I ran around telling everyone, 'Remember

Asteroids! Remember Asteroids!'"
An introduction by Moore on the new series' website indicates they're shooting to transform more than a miniseries. The statement reads like Dogme 95 for the entire sci-fi television genre.

"Our goal is nothing less than the reinvention of the science-fiction television series," Moore's statement reads. "We believe you can explore adult themes with adult characters and still tell a ripping good yarn. We believe that to portray human beings as flawed creations does not weaken them, it strengthens them ... We believe that science fiction provides an opportunity to explore our own society, to provoke debate and to challenge our perceptions of ourselves and our fellow Man. If you agree with us, then this is the show for you. If not, then thanks for coming, but the popcorn is in a different aisle."
For his part, Hatch will be joined in October by old-school fans and original cast and crewmembers to celebrate the show's 25th anniversary at the Galacticon 2003 reunion convention in Los Angeles.

"Had the miniseries been described as a spin-off instead of a continuation, fan reaction may have been more positive," Hatch said. "But bringing back any classic is always a delicate thing. Change too much and you lose fans. Don't change enough, and you lose relevance."
 
Yes, a lot of people have asked( What did they change? ) and I tell them that it would take far less time to answer the question if it was ( What didn't they change?)

OWD
 
OWD how bout these CHANGED shows

Change just for the sake of change has a bad track record, especially Scifi TV shows & Scifi movies.

The Planet of the Apes, Lost in Space, The (New) Outer Limits, The (New) Twilight Zone, The Time Machine, Rollerball, Return of the Fly, Flash Gordon, Godzilla, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Journey to the Center of the Earth, all those chessey The Lost World series.

Solaris was done by an 'A' team. Producer James Cameron & Director/screenplay by Steven Soderbergh but it received bad reviews and did poorly at the box office.

Ronald D. Moore is no James Cameron or Steven Soderbergh.
 
Thinderbirds are on techtv.com

Originally posted by ray gower Before one gets too het up over what they are destroying in BG, may I suggest having a look at what is being touted for the new Thunderbirds film in the Thunderbirds

At least BG is being left with the basic concept, plot and characters, even if they have had a sex change on the way. For T/Birds they appear to have thrown plot, concept and characters away as well!

Not true, Col. Tigh is a drunk, Boomer is a Cylon, Starbuck is not a guy, Apollo dislikes his father, the Cylons are not alien robots but man made androids and have sex with humans then blow themselves and the unfortunite human up, why not just kill the human during sex?

So Ray are the puppets are going to be repaced with actors?

Ps. http://www.techtv.com/thunderbirds/
 
Re: Thinderbirds are on techtv.com

Originally posted by dvo47p
So Ray are the puppets are going to be repaced with actors?

Ps. http://www.techtv.com/thunderbirds/
Won't comment on the abilities of the actors until I see the result. ;)

The point is that when some bright spark suddenly gets the idea of remaking a succesful show, the marketing type chaps demand it must be 'Reimaged' to suit the modern target audience. They have done it to BG and they are doing it to Thunderbirds.

Unfortunately, perhaps because it was a British show that treated kids as adults (and adults as adults), the reimaging and 'dumbing down' that it has been rumoured has had the writer and creator of the original show, Gerry Anderson (who is working in the same studio), walking out and refusing to be associated with it.

My distress at this may well approach your own about BG, though I will attempt to keep an openmind until the result appears. I won't walk out of the cinema until the Uzi's and/or bedroom romps appear.

And for the Star Trek haters among us, it is being produced by TNG's Wil Riker (aka Jonathon Frakes).

And thanks for the link. I will keep a track on that one too!
 
tecktv.com

tecktv.com has plenty of Anime, the very latest in games as well as first class computer help that is easy to follow, like'Sims Superstar' (PC) Cheats...........

http://www.techtv.com/maxheadroom Max has gone back into retirement, for now. Keep checking this site to find out when he's coming b-b-back.

I became interested in tecktv.com when Richard Hatch was interviewed several years ago, alas RH is out of the picture. Although his latest project http://www.greatwarofmagellan.com/
 
What I want is to see a show that does the original justice. Moore's show falls short of that. The fans however aren't finished by a longshot. I started a NEW online petition for a big screen version done correctly by Larson/DeSanto.
 
When fans turn FANATIC

Originally posted by Captain Cumquat
The latest news is that a prequel is being considered. I like the sound of this a lot better. First of all, I've already seen the original story. With a prequel we get to see something new with, possibly, younger versions of the characters Galactica fans already know and like.

This prequel was never ever considered by The Scifi Channel, Writer Ronald D. Moore, Director Michael Rymer or Executive Producer David Eick.

The Apothis/Milton collective of Star Trek "FANATICS" ergo supporters of veteran Trek screenplay writer Moore, started this bogus prequel to change the subject on The Scifi Channel's Battlestar Galactica Forum/board, from the previously divided but united by the leaked script, and the review @ filmjerk.com. Plus, RDM's first eight episodes if the remake of Battlestar Galactica.

All of this was due to the fact that the new series has a very small number of fans. Most people love the old show but hate the new changes. So in order to drown out the majority of people, a few very radical fans of the new miniseries created an army of clones to disagree and provoke (and **** off) the majority of people on scifi and battlestar galactica boards. Most notably this was done by the owner of the http://www.galactica2003.net/ website.

What finally did to catch Ronald D. Moore’s attention and make him oh very upset, was a post by the Milton/Apothis, claiming Moore had sent him ST:DS9/DVDs & other autographed Trek collectable stuff.
 
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