H G Wells

Why didn't the Martians anticipate germs ?

Presumably because "germ theory" was still relatively new when Wells wrote it.

Additionally, we didn't even begin to have antibiotics to fight bacteria until the late 1920's with the discovery of penicillin.

There's a lot about War of the Worlds that is completely lost from its original context.
 
1) Um... it's only a story.
2) Maybe their Germaline only worked properly for Martian bugs?

If you think about it, its problematic The Martians are way ahead of earth in terms of technology , One could also presume that they are ahead in biosciences as well. Shouldn't they have anticipated the possibly of harmful micro organisms and taken steps accordingly?
 
Presumably because "germ theory" was still relatively new when Wells wrote it.

Additionally, we didn't even begin to have antibiotics to fight bacteria until the late 1920's with the discovery of penicillin.

There's a lot about War of the Worlds that is completely lost from its original context.


Sorry I finished my prior comment before yours.:oops:


I hadn't thought of any of that . It makes sense.
 
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Rocket Science and Bio-Science are not really related. Werner Von Braun in 1930s wanted to build a rocket to go to Mars (ironically). He decided working on V1 & V2 rather than being shot was preferable. I expect though he was disappointed that Apollo ended with the Moon. Saturn rocket for Apollo was developed from V2.
 
Did they have germs on Mars? Or maybe their technology was so old that they wiped the germs out so long ago that they forgot about them.
 
Anyone read Edison's Conquest of Mars. by Garret Serviss?
 
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Did they have germs on Mars? Or maybe their technology was so old that they wiped the germs out so long ago that they forgot about them.

IMO the idea is that germs remain unique to different worlds, but are easily overlooked. So easily overlooked that I cannot recall them every being a normal consideration in any science fiction TV or film.
 
IMO the idea is that germs remain unique to different worlds, but are easily overlooked. So easily overlooked that I cannot recall them every being a normal consideration in any science fiction TV or film.

That is like the difference between science, science fiction and sci-fi. TV and movies are mostly sci-fi. LOL

I remember a short story. I think is was about astronauts on Venus. They buried the remains of their lunch and some Venusian life form found it. This began the destruction of life on Venus. Wells probably introduced the idea to many scientists who never thought of it. Now it is probably accepted by any scientists thinking about interplanetary exploration.

Better safe than sorry.

Sci-Fi is mostly shallow entertainment. Science fiction can bring scientific thinking to the masses. TV and movies is expensive and must make big bucks.

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IMO the idea is that germs remain unique to different worlds, but are easily overlooked. So easily overlooked that I cannot recall them every being a normal consideration in any science fiction TV or film.
Viruses are likely unique, they can only even generally pass between similar species.
Bacterial are less specific. Some hardly.
Fungal infections could be less so. e.g. Athlete's foot?
Protozoa, insects etc vary with the attacker.
Yeast infections are probably only needing any suitable secretion and don't care about species as such.

For example only a few bacterial infections and no viral infections can be passed between Guinea Pigs and Humans. But Pigs, Apes and Monkeys are a high risk for human viral infection and vice versa.

An alien species could have an equivalent of a vitamin deficiency disease eating stuff here which can otherwise be digested. (C.F Scurvy before use of lemons and limes on sea voyages and problems for Vitamin D when Dark Skinned people live in places with less sunlight and wearing more clothes but same diet!).

Ben Bova has people on Mars getting sick because their vitamin tablets degraded by pure oxygen at one stage. (I think a Ben Bova book).

Scott of Antarctic
Their diet may be why they died. It was unsuitable. Too much protein and not enough sugars, carbs and fat!
 
Presumably because "germ theory" was still relatively new when Wells wrote it.

Additionally, we didn't even begin to have antibiotics to fight bacteria until the late 1920's with the discovery of penicillin.

There's a lot about War of the Worlds that is completely lost from its original context.

Germ theoryevolved in the second half of the 19th century from the work of Semmelweis, Snow, Lister, Pasteur, Koch etc. It was still fairly new and knowledge of cross-species infection would have been quite speculative in 1897 (although Edward Jenner used cowpox to vaccinate against smallpox in the late 18th century, and Pasteur tried a rabies vaccine in 1885.) Penicillin really only came into widespread use for the military in WWII: in many cases it was completely unavailable to the general population. Infection was one of the major causes of death, and was something that would have affected every family. It is reckoned that infection killed more soldiers in WWI than the direct effects of munitions.

More to the point, for someone like Wells, with a strong social conscience, would have been the reports of the massive death tolls of naive native populations in the New World from infectious diseases carried by colonists who had immunity.

Context is interesting, as is Wells' politics. Fantastic Writer. Fantastic novel. His prolific non-SF is well worth checking out.
 
Did they have germs on Mars? Or maybe their technology was so old that they wiped the germs out so long ago that they forgot about them.

If life on Mars evolved in a similar pattern to Earth , Then it makes sense that there would be , all kinds of single celled organisms , bacteria and viruses even there. Bacteria is essential for a number of life process here on Earth , higher organism have symbiotic relationship with them.

But you do raise an excellent point , I know wells described them as vast an cool intellects . But I get the sense that the The Martians stagnated technologically , they may have lost knowledge of things, they could operate and repair their machines ,but they couldn' innovate and probably didn't really understand the principals of how things worked, Even people great intellects can have blind spots . Then there is the issue of their bodies now atrophied, all they had left were brains and a circulatory system which reduced them to living off the blood of the native life forms of their world, which could not live on earths gravity and were probably extinct on Mars . The Martians had no food left, so they had to use humans , which would have been another source of infection for them. It's very possible that they may have been unaware of the notion of germs and bacteria.
 
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Of course if the Martians had known about bacteria, they could simply have fired a few cannisters of a deadly (to humans) virus to our world and sat back and watched them clear the way. Of course Wells uses germs to kill them to demonstarte the irony of the Martians studying us as we study bacteria. It was far more poignant that the mighty would be humbled by the meek than that the British Navy would sweep away the Martian invasion force. It also makes for a marvellous 'I never saw that coming' ending ; well it certainly would for Well's readers.

Yes, with what we know today a lot of it seems silly, with large plot-holes; but you cannot judge a book out of it's time. I wonder if I have ever read a book that has astounded me as much as Frakenstein or War of the Worlds did to their audiences at the time. I guess Lord of the Rings probably did, for as a child I saw a whole new world spring from the pages.
 
This thread hasn't been touched in some time, and looking through it seems there are a number of people not too impressed with the works of Wells, specifically The War of The Worlds. Personally, I'm a big H.G. Wells fan, but I also concede that his work is a mixed bag and that he can be equal parts brilliant and tiresome. His prose can be wondrous, but it can also be clunky (and have you ever noticed how often he uses the word "tumult"??? It's kind of nuts). He is sometimes quite dry, and he sometimes pushes his ideas so hard that all sense of narrative is lost... BUT at his best he is brilliant IMO, and his short fiction is where he shines most.

I'd like to weigh in on this 7 year old conversation and say that I don't think War of The Worlds is at all Wells' best. On the whole it's quite readable, it has some wonderful, vivid descriptions and its significance shouldn't be overlooked. But it is clunky at points and the digression with the protagonist's brother is a bizarre and nonsensical choice to make plot-wise.

Personally, my favourite of his novels are:

The Time Machine
The Island of Dr. Moreau
Star Begotten
The Sleeper wakes


The top two are among his most famous and are must reads, the latter two are more obscure and although I love them are probably not likely to captivate readers less fond of his style. Star Begotten is criminally overlooked though, and is another interesting spin on alien invasion, looking at the idea of a "spiritual" invasion, in which aliens allow themselves to be born into human society via cosmic rays. The book is also ambiguous as to whether this is even happening or not, but presents the idea and runs with the character's imaginations.

I have read all of Wells' short fiction, with the exception of one story of his that has only surfaced in recent years. Of those stories, I consider the following to be the best with my very favourites in bold and personal ratings provided:

The Remarkable Case of Davidson's Eyes - 4
The Story of The Late Mr Elvesham - 4
The Moth - 3.5
The Apple - 3.5
Under The Knife - 3
Pollock and the Porroh man - 3.5
The Red Room - 4.5
The Sad Story of a Dramatic Critic - 4
The Star - 3.5
A Story Of Days To Come - 3.5
The Man Who Could Work Miracles - 4
The Truth About Pyecraft - 3
Mr Skemersdale In Fairy Land - 4
The Door In The Wall - 3.5
Empire Of The Ants - 3.5
The Pearl Of Love - 5
The Country Of The Blind - 4.5

The Story Of The Last Trump - 4
The Devotee Of Art - 4
Wayde's Essence - 3.5
The Wild Asses Of The Devil - 3.5
The Presence By The Fire - 4
An Answer To Prayer - 4

The Queer Story of Brownlow's Newspaper - 3



Not all of those are science fiction, but many of them come under the umbrella of science fiction, fantasy or horror. Many of them are also very short. The Presence by The Fire and The Red Room are excellent "ghost" stories. Mr Skemersdale In Fairy Land is fantasy as the name suggests, and rather good. I would give more detail on some of the others, but I can't remember them all as well as some.

I noticed someone was disappointed with the ending of Country of The Blind, so I will also point out that there are TWO versions,. Wells later revised the story, but I think the original version is best.

Other points of interest:

  • A Story of The Days To Come is set in the same future society as The Sleeper Awakes
  • The Flowering Of The Strange Orchid reads to me like a possible influence on Invasion Of The Bodysnatchers.
  • The Land Ironclads is a story I'm not particularly fond of, but it does predict tanks and much like The Sleeper Awakes, has some interesting descriptions of airplanes before their time.

I'm still making my way through completing his novels, though I've read a fair few. Men Like Gods is relatively high on my list. I would recommend staying far away from In The Days of The Comet - one of the worst books I've read.
 
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I keep meaning to reread The Time Machine (for the 3rd time) and War of The Worlds, but I'd like to do so as a mini-marathon alongside Priest's The Space Machine (a homage to both) and Baxter's The Time Ships (a sequel to TTT). The latter two would be first time reads. One of these days I'll get around to it...
 

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