For Jonas likers ONLY

[summershake]

Yes, I opened up a Jonas thread in the SG General Discussion where it doesn't belong. Why?

I want to make a point.

The current situation in this fandom is pretty sad and I hope we all can move on and heal the rifts.

This requires empathy and understanding.

I got some responses to the discussion that has been going on in another thread. A perfectly neutral thread turned into a discussion of the Jonas/Daniel situation, Jonas fans feeling let down by the amount of bashing and picking on this very character.

I stated over there and I'll say it again: I'm not willing to delete posts that reflect one person's opinion on a character as long as it isn't flaming or harrassing towards *real people* (as in members of this board or/and the actors behind the characters).
But I see we have to stop turning neutral threads into something with a definate anti-Jonas tone.

So, this thread is intended for all people who don't like the current situation and want to *do* something about it - in a positive way.

You love Jonas? You want to drool over your object of desire? You just want to vent off a little bit because the character you love gets picked on so much?

I am a Daniel fan and believe me when I say I know how you are feeling at the moment. The Daniel fans went through the same situation that you are facing right now. The difference?

Daniel ascended/MS left and some of us couldn't warm to Jonas. Now we have Daniel back and are doing the happy dance. I think we should be allowed to do that.

But we shouldn't forget that others liked/loved Jonas and are mourning his being put on the backseat, pushed down to a recurring role.

I know I may be stepping into a hornist's nest here and will *definately* keep a *very* close eye on this discussion.

It IS intended a safe place for all Jonas likers where they don't have to fear to be bashed for liking the character and also won't have to fear that this thread may turn into an anti-Jonas discussion.

So....drool away, discuss, vent ---- BUT keep it flamefree!!!
Trolls are not accepted here!!!

Summer

 

[Rowan]

Agree...

I agree completely, Summershake. Open and flame-free discussion encouraged.

Rowan

 

[summershake]

Thanks for backing me up, Rowan! It's much appreciated!!!

I'm really sitting on the edge of my seat because of this.

People, please keep it FLAMEFREE!!!

I want to do my part in healing the rifts in fandom, not open up more.

 

[Anni]

Well I haven't posted a great deal in the recent past because of being out of the country, very busy with courses, working and family etc. Real Life stuff, but as you all know I have NO issues with any character (Unless it's Cronus! :evil: ) so I think that the idea of opening up a discussion flame-free thread where people can put their feelings down (as long as they don't insult or personally upset another forum member) without fear that someone is going to fall on them and tear them to pieces.

I don't mind either of the characters really. I wish people would just enjoy the damn show. I miss the wide eyed, 'what's the next season going to be like' excitement. It's completely gone now and all we have is a whole load of folk who came together because they loved the show but who either fight to the death or are afraid to say anything in case they get torn limb from limb.

So your thread has my thumbs up, no probs. A sensible suggestion from a lovely young lady. Well done Summer!

:smilej: :wink2:

 

[summershake]

I really appreciate your responses and your backing me up.

I agree, Anni. Personnally I'm sitting on the each of my seat and can't wait for season seven to start. I too want to see that excitement again, people should look forward to watching a show they love again.

And: It *IS* just a tv show, people. Please don't forget that. Actors, production people, writers, etc. will never -well, probably never- get to see any of the things going on here and being said here.

BUT here are *real* people with *real* feelings. Let's not hurt fellow Stargate fans.

Let's come together and celebrate a show we all love (well, I do so sue me ).

 

[gategeek]

hi summer - i appreciate the thought behind this thread. i have been a member here since almost the beginning (i lurked for awhile and then registered in Oct 2000). what i loved about this board was that it was so friendly - i came here to escape the flame wars going on in other forums. when the whole season 4/divide and conquer/shipper thing erupted in fandom, Ascifi managed to rise above it - it was a safe haven. people still got along here - people talked about the show, not about fandom politics. shippers and slashers coexisted peacefully and noone felt attacked.
the tone began to change about a year or so ago. posts took on a strident, political tone. members felt attacked and sometimes responded in kind. jonas bashing became acceptable in a way it never would have been had it been about another character. even in seemingly unrelated threads you would see someone take a gratuitous swipe at jonas. many jonas fans simply don't hang out here anymore because of this which is a shame because this used to be a place where everyone felt safe to play.
it's ironic that i find myself in the role of jonas' defender. he is far from my favorite character. i'm a huge jack fan and a j/d slasher. i actually wrote several letters asking for daniel's return "back in the day" - before things got so hateful and ugly. i was quite ambivalent about jonas at the beginning but have grown to like him. i do think it is a shame that he is leaving and wish we could have had a 5 person team.
shanilka

 

[summershake]

Originally posted by gategeek
when the whole season 4/divide and conquer/shipper thing erupted in fandom, Ascifi managed to rise above it - it was a safe haven. people still got along here - people talked about the show, not about fandom politics. shippers and slashers coexisted peacefully and noone felt attacked.

And I hope we will be able to rise above it again.
I myself made some comments, but believe it or not, I tried to stay as far away from the whole Daniel/Jonas issue as possible.

But when I did post I'm sure my personal opinion shone through.

We have the same situation we had over a year ago...one member of SG-1 is leaving. This time it is Jonas.

But as MS stated in a recent interview....because of RDA's limited schedule the bonds and friendships between Teal'c and Sam, Sam and Daniel and Daniel and Teal'c will be explored further...even more than in season six, which had some wonderful friendship scenes.

So let's follow that example and not just watch our family (except Jonas, I'm afraid) bond all over again but try to bond ourselves with fellow fans (again). It might not be easy, it might be impossible, but it's never too late to try and never say never, right?

 

[webmouse]

Ah, at last I have a home :rolly2: :rolly2: :rolly2:

 

[skydiver]

Nice idea summer. <G>

I know i for one feel nowhere near the enthusiasm for s7 that i felt for s6. Part of that is Jonas leaving. I've loved how the attitudes of the characters have changed in the last year and i'm going to miss that. I feel that those changes were brought about by Jonas' inclusion in the group and fear that they'll leave with his departure.

I know 'breath of fresh air' is an annoying phrase to some and i dont' mean it that way, but it's the only way i can really come up with to describe Jonas. So many times in season 5 it seemed that the characters were tired, worn out and frankly didn't even want to be there...then s6 premieres and all of a sudden it's like the characters have gotten their second wind. They're fun and happy, kidding and teasing each other. Teal'c actually talks to people, Sam gets to tease folks, Jack is no longer playing the 'i'll ask the stupid but plot moving question' and season 6 really, really worked for me.

I've rewatched the episodes many times, something i didn't and haven't done for much of season 5.

I'm afraid that we're going to lose all that in s7. That we're gonna hit ye olde reset switch and go back to status quo. So far, I have yet to read a spoiler that excites me in any way.

So many of the episodes seem to be 'daniel this' 'daniel that'.....which is fantastic for his fans. Just not so fantastic for those of us that prefer any of the other characters. Sam, Jack, Teal'c...sometimes it seems that they're getting tossed aside just like Jonas.

I guess i seem to always have the habit of liking tv shows that are doomed to be canceled, or falling for characters that die or get written out ....and it seems that that trend is going to carry on with Jonas.

To me, it really is a shame that a way couldn't be found to keep both characters around, that really would have been the best of both worlds, IMHO. But since it's not to be, I'm just going to have to enjoy the few episodes I've had with Jonas, hope that Sam and Teal'c's participation level in s7 is something close to what it was in s6 and that there's something in the season for 'the rest of us'.

Only time will tell.

 

[Anni]

IS Jonas leaving though? I understand from all reports that he will be in Season 7. Has it been stated categorically by TPTB or Corin Nemec himself that Jonas will not be appearing in any of the Season 7 episodes? I have searched and not found any such declaration.

In the euphoria following the news of Daniel's return and the last cliffhanging episode of season 6 where Daniel was so evident, have fans taken the wish as being 'Father to the thought' and automatically assumed that Daniel will just 'be back' and part of the team again and therefore Jonas will magically just be 'gone'. Because from the couple of interviews I have seen, one with MS himself, nowhere is that indicated. Indeed I believe that it was mentioned that Daniel will have to be accepted again by the others. This does not automatically mean that Jonas will be shuffled off and just referred to in passing.

As usual most of fandom, in its hysteria and inherent inability to be logical and rational about this show, have taken everything just that step further than reality.

The reality is that we do not KNOW at present what Season 7 will give us, and we can only hope that it will give us the things we have learned to expect from the show. The reality is that we do not KNOW how much interaction Jonas will still have in these episodes, we just know the bare bones of the spoilers of the episodes many of which are still being shot. And we know that these are not always wholly accurate.

Perhaps Stargate fandom really, really needs to stop whining and howling before it's actually hurt. Perhaps it needs to get back to basics, the way it was before all of the hysterical obsessives screamed and hollered and turned MS' leaving into a major world event and continued to scream and holler, and stamp their little feet, until that event was reversed. Every action has an equal and positive reaction, and that being a given, there was bound to be an effect on the characters and their importance. Daniel is back, Jonas will slowly be peripheralised and marginalised until he sinks into Stargate fandom obscurity, just like the show itself will eventually do that, as all shows do. Only a few, like MASH for example can actually survive generation after generation.

I would like to be wrong and believe that Stargate will hold a special little place somewhere in the TV Land memory. And it could.......if only the fans could learn to actually let go........and enjoy it for what it is - a brilliant piece of escapism and 'what ifs', instead of an actual way of life, for which to many, it has indeed become. Even to the extent of people hysterically telling me that their lives only became complete when they 'got to know' Jack, Sam, Tealc and Daniel. That these fictional characters are the things that they are living their lives by rather than actually interacting properly in the real world with real people.

Before anyone starts to jump up and down and telling me that they 'DO have lives and that they don't view Stargate as the major happening in their lives', I do know that there are many fans who can put the whole thing into perspective and that they do have busy lives, hold down jobs and that their lives do not revolve around whether poor Jonas will be featured a lot or not at all in Season 7, but the sad fact is that there are a whole lot more whose whole existence revolves around it. And it's sad, because there's a whole beautiful world out there waiting for them to see and maybe, just maybe, they should take that money they might be spending on attending every con that has the fab four in it or anyone connected to the show and go and see the wonders of the Nile, or Angkor Wat......or just drink in the beauty of the Victoria Falls........ It'll have a far more lasting effect on them than sitting in a stuffy convention hall watching a performing troupe go through their cartwheels and somersaults for the benefit of a seething mass of fandom.

The actors get paid to do this........what's the fans' excuse?

 

[skydiver]

What i've heard about Jonas in s7 is

(paraphrased) he and daniel do a similar job so only one is needed - JM's chat somewhere

He's 'recurring' no longer a regular and I've heard that he's in the first 2 eps with a possible appearance in an episode that Corin is writing, and the rest is dependant upon actor availability.

Maybe we'll end up with Jonas in 15 of the 22 eps...I really don't think so. I could certainly be wrong but the fact that he's only mentioned in spoilers for episode 1&2, along with the title of the second one 'homecoming' and the fact that they're up to filming eps 6 or 8 or somewhere and he's only been mentioned in 2 episodes, pretty much leads me to conclude that he wont' be recurring very much.

Again, won't know until june.

The writers, cast, crew etc are all doing what they think is best.
At the end of the day, this is their job, this is something to put on their resume and something to further thier respective careers. For me....it's a (usually) fun hour every friday night, it's led me to make some great friends, it's led me to take my first trip out of the country (gatecon 2002) and it's broadened my world a bit because it's led me to make friends all over the world, which has led me to learn more about those places.
It's also given me the opportunity to discover that I CAN write, something I've always wanted to do butnever been able to start doing and for that i'll always be grateful.

 

[summershake]

That are the only facts I read until now, too.

Jonas will be in the opening two-parter and maybe in another episode, according to Joe Mallozi. If this is the episode Corin is writing is not known yet.

I have to agree, Jonas did bring something new to the series and in a positive way. I can remember reading time and again comments from TPTB, stating 'Jonas will bring a fresh wind to Stargate' or 'Jonas will look at everything in a whole new perspective and we're thrilled to share it with you'.

I did not welcome Jonas with open arms, but that said I have to admit that they were right. I remember watching 'Descent' and upon seeing Jonas open-mouthed flying in a mothership and flying in a deathglider I had to smile.

Yes, the characters (or maybe the actors themselves, who knows) seemed worn out and tired, esp. in the fifth season.

I liked quite a few of season six, but am also looking (very much) forward to season seven. But I really hope they will not hit the reset-button to try to go all the way back to a season two or three level.

The show evolved, the characters evolved and hopefully that will get acknowledged.

I have to admit I'm one of the people that just wait and see. I'm excited waiting for season seven to start, the comment MS made about the supporting cast getting more chances to work on bonding and friendship between Sam, Teal'c and Daniel made me hope. I'm a sucker when it comes to friendship. *ducks*

Just please don't forget you have that cool, big ring and that we want to see what lies behind it rather than what Daniel ate for breakfast or if Sam really can't knit...<g>

I'll just let them surprise me, although I agree that most spoilers I read didn't really knock me off my seat.

Well, when in doubt....don't want to get my expectations too high up yet.

 

[pamie]

Hey great idea...its great to have a 'safe' place for people to chat about their fave character!

 

[gategeek]

forwarded with permission from the jonas quinn yahoo group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Jonas_Quinn/
--------------------------------
Howdy Campers!

The Abydos Gate is happy to announce the opening of
the Jonas Quinn site under the AG dedicated to this
great guy and to the wonderful actor who portrays him.

You can go look at reviews, nice screen grabs,
wallpapers, winAmp skins, interview Scans or grab the
icons.

The AG's Jonas forum is open for all, you can discuss
the show and Corin's other roles as well.

If you wish to submit materials, con reports and
photos, scans, grabs, artwork, e-mail either Mesh or
Smiler. Comments, suggestions, bug reports are also
welcome.

It's all under
http://jonas.stargate-sg1.hu/

 

[Anni]

I think that Jonas obviously made quite an impact on many fans and it'll be hard for the producers to dampen that down, despite the euphoria of many surrounding the return of Daniel.

Like I say, I have NO axe to grind with either character. I think that Daniel was an intrinsic part of the show's cast and I firmly believe that no favours were done to the show by him leaving. However, as much as I realise that many are doing the happy dance at his return - and I far from blame them for feeling that way - I also still strongly feel that his return after the circumstances and hype surrounding his departure was the wrong decision to make. The show jumped the shark at that stage for all but the most fervent fans and whilst people are still joining in the fandom it has to be said that the new fans are those who seem to be coming in at the first couple of seasons and getting hooked. They may have lost interest by the time they get through to Season 5.

TPTB should have stuck to their guns and kept, and developed, the character of Jonas, which to be blunt they did very little to flesh out at all. And by the looks of things, they aren't going to do anything else to even try to flesh him out in Season 7.

He's now a recurring character and I think that this is scant thanks to the actor who honestly tried so hard to fill the gap. Whether or not he was good enough in the eyes of the Daniel fans is beside the point. Corin is a good actor and tried hard to make Jonas work despite the lack of good lines and the hostility displayed towards the character by many of the fans.

 

[skydiver]

TPTB should have stuck to their guns and kept, and developed, the character of Jonas, which to be blunt they did very little to flesh out at all. And by the looks of things, they aren't going to do anything else to even try to flesh him out in Season 7.


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OMG, Anni and i agree!!!! LOL
Well not totally about Jonas' development, Personally I think they did the best they could considering they were wrapping up 5 years worth of story, setting up a movie AND introducing a new character, but that's just a personal opinion. I do wish he'd been kept and they'd found a way to work all five of them in there. But....astonishingly enough, noone asked me
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He's now a recurring character and I think that this is scant thanks to the actor who honestly tried so hard to fill the gap. Whether or not he was good enough in the eyes of the Daniel fans is beside the point. Corin is a good actor and tried hard to make Jonas work despite the lack of good lines and the hostility displayed towards the character by many of the fans.


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I personally applaud corin's professionalism. He walked into a difficult situation, what had to be a tense few weeks at first 'replacing' an established character adn actor that'd been there since the beginning, and he did it in the face of some rather vocal criticism from some fans. IMHO, he handled himself well and he'll always have my respect for that.

I never watched Parker Lewis or any of that, but I know I will be more interested in any project he's in simply because I hold the actor in some respect and I now have an interest in his career.

 

[Highlander II]

:wave: to summershake --


Honestly - I wasn't all that impressed with season 6 - and not b/c of Jonas - he was fine, more b/c of the writing and the episodes that we got - they just didn't intrigue me like earlier ones had -

However - like others, I applaud Corin and his ability - esp to walk into such a situation as this and do what he did. I like the character - have nothing against him (though that watching the weather channel thing is kinda weird ). I saw Corin at Gatecon - and he impressed me there - and I didn't really see him *do* anything (missed his panel - think I was asleep) -- so, that says something - and, after going to Gatecon - I liked the character a bit better -

The reason I had nothing against him come S6 is b/c I hadn't seen the end of S5 when S6 started - I didn't know anything about him - so, fresh viewpoint on new character. Didn't really have a reason to 'not' like him. And even after I saw "Meridian" - still didn't hate or dislike him - still no reason to.

So - go summershake for putting this thread here, I think it's a really good idea, though, of course, it would have been much better had it not been needed at all.

And - I agree with Anni - this is just a tv show - there are so many other things in the world to see. Yeah, I spend a lot of time watching tv - but I don't pass up great opportunities when they come my way -- I went to Italy for 5 weeks, went to Vancouver - sure, it was to Gatecon, but I had fun just being there and meeting people that I talk to online - the trip even got a friend into the show -- Stargate is a great show and I've made lots of friends b/c of it, but I don't forget that it *is* just a show and that the world keeps spinning outside the little fantasy-land that is Cheyenne Mountain ---

Jonas - great character - it'd be nice if they kept him around - I mean, imagine the banter btwn him and Daniel? And all the snarky comments from Jack about said banter -- come on -- excellent dialogue possibilities there ----

 

[gategeek]

Originally posted by Anni
He's now a recurring character and I think that this is scant thanks to the actor who honestly tried so hard to fill the gap. Whether or not he was good enough in the eyes of the Daniel fans is beside the point. Corin is a good actor and tried hard to make Jonas work despite the lack of good lines and the hostility displayed towards the character by many of the fans.

----and he certainly seems to be handling the current situation with alot of class. he may yet prove me wrong but i think the fact that we are NOT hearing from him in the press speaks volumes about his level of professionalism and maturity.
shanilka

 

[Anni]

I totally agree Shanilka, the guy has impressed me. Like Denise I now find myself taking notice of things he has done and marking him down as a favourite actor, not that I have too many, but a few. He has kept his counsel and doesn't go in for 'kiss and tell'. Another one who impresses me like that is RDA himself, although I actually can't stand him either as a man or an actor. I must give him his due for never speaking out of turn.

But Corin Nemec definitely has class with a capital C.

 

[gategeek]

Originally posted by Anni
He has kept his counsel and doesn't go in for 'kiss and tell'. Another one who impresses me like that is RDA himself, although I actually can't stand him either as a man or an actor. I must give him his due for never speaking out of turn.

----i love RDA but i understand where you're coming from anni. i felt the same way about tom selleck. never cared for his looks, his acting or his politics but he did always seem like a class act re the press.
shanilka