The Mini Series

timdgreat

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Heres what i think after watching the show(spoilers for the mini series)

ok so i have seen the first part of the mini series on Battlestar Galactica remake on scifi channel.

First off let me say that after seeing most of the original, which i did love, i thought this version was done remarkably well and i liked the "modern" look to it. As for the controversy that i have heard talked about over the changing of the genders of some of the main charecters, i dont think that it will screw up the show, in fact i think, at least so far from what i have seen, that the show will be fine. As far as the story line goes i like the way the plot is so far unfolding, we are seeing some real flaws in the charecters and it does make the show a lot darker as many have said.

overall i think its gonna be a great series and cant wait till tomorrow night when the next one comes on:rolly2:
 
What are the odds it will ever hit broadcast TV so those of us that don't have cable might get to see it :(
 
im afraid they arent as high as u would like,

cant wait to see the seconed part only 2 hours away:D:rolly2:
 
Don't know when it will make it's way over here on cable;) I am looking forward to checking it out.Colin.<*>.
 
Man, the new mini-series was such a depressing thing to watch. No huge funny capes on any of the characters. Not a single cape. I used to love watching Lorne Green & company prance around in their capes. Why did they leave out the silly capes?:(


edited for language
 
Originally posted by captaincarter
I thought it was awsome, how many ep's are in this mini series?
I have heard mixed reports on the programme.The good reports are shading it so far.Colin.<*>.
 
The series would be much better if they brought back those funky capes. Man, those capes made up for the poor acting and lousy special effects. The new series doesn't have poor acting or lousy special effects, however, I believe it would enhance things to throw some capes on those people. However, I don't think any actor/performer on earth (for the exception of Rip Taylor) can look any more queer than Lorne Green wearing a cape.
 
so does any one know how many more of the series they are doing or not? :rolly2:
 
I believe, in the absence of news otherwise from DVO, there are 4 episodes in the series. (4 hours)

The capes that Colony has a penchant for are called Pelisse and if that is the worst complaint we get, then I think there may be a lot eggy faces out there.
 
I'm subscribed to a list that is scifi related, but is not full of Original Series Galactica fans with their obviously preconceived predjudices about this mini series. So, I think their views are probably more reflective of the people who will actually watch this mini series.

There were certainly some criticisms, but in general they really liked it. The major criticism, if it is one, is that after 2 or 3 hours it is still dealing with a possible attack by the Cylons.

In the Original Series, the attack had taken place in the first half hour, so either the story development is very slow, or else they have added an incredible amount of new detail.

I've no idea when we will get to see this in the UK. I don't have the Sci Fi Channel, so I haven't even seen the Dune mini series yet. And in the UK, no channel has shown Firefly yet. I can't complain that much though, apparently New Zealand are only now seeing the final season of Star Trek: DS9
 
Originally posted by Dave

I've no idea when we will get to see this in the UK. I don't have the Sci Fi Channel, so I haven't even seen the Dune mini series yet. And in the UK, no channel has shown Firefly yet. I can't complain that much though, apparently New Zealand are only now seeing the final season of Star Trek: DS9

Firefly was on UK sci-fi channel this year Dave (I know you don't have it, but just correcting for accuracy's sake!) :D

No idea about BSG coming over here though..
 
Thanks Mark, I forgot that actually.

Am I correct in thinking that the UK/European SciFi Channel is totally separate from the US Scifi Channel? (Even having different shareholders.)

I think that's why they don't show the same things. Otherwise, you would assume that whatever one showed, the other would naturally follow.

Also, this was meant to be more than 4 hours, I'm sure. Are they just holding back some, have they cancelled it for poor ratings, or was it really only meant to be 4 hours long?
 
i thought it was only gonna be thoose two? havent heard any more about it:rolly2:
 
YO RAY HERE I AM!

Originally posted by timdgreat so does any one know how many more of the series they are doing or not? :rolly2:
Alas, The Scifi Channel has it's '04 schedule DONE. No series in ’04.

So, EJO & Mary McDowell & cast will not know till mid '04 if The Scifi Channel will do Battlestar lite in ’05. Hell The Scifi Channel does not know either, the DVD artwork has been done, it’s @ amazon but listed as not available, DVD sales could make or break a series. Ergo, I shall not buy one.

Bonnie is looking to do another one of Steven Spielberg’s favorite themes ‘aliens in our midst’.

He not only Directed Close Encounters of the Third Kind, he wrote it. Taken was very expensive for The Scifi Channel say around $40 million for ten episodes or $4 million per 44 minutes.

Spielberg was taken by The Scifi Channel’s two-week ‘Taken’ format, his critically acclaimed & award winning ‘Band of Brothers’ lost audience ratings and interest during HBO’s one episode pre-week presentation format.

Many Farscape fans think this is why Farscape was moved to a lesser timeslot in order to bring about lower rating allowing The Scifi Channel to use the low ratings to kill Farscape to allow Bonnie to be taken by ‘Taken’.

If Ronald D. Moore is to believed, a real great big IF. Battlestar lite cost $14 million bucks.

So a Battlestar lite would cost about $ 3.5, but Scifi saves a half a million in sets, another half a million in series CG and half a million in not from scratch start up cost that’s still $2 million per 44 minute episode. So you Battlestar lite fans better save those VHS tapes till amazon hits you for $24.95 for the mini on DVD.

Originally posted by ray gower I believe, in the absence of news otherwise from DVO, there are 4 episodes in the series. (4 hours)

Hello Ray, never fear, I’m here! Notice the odd start times? For you Ray, I accessed www.scifi.com/schedulebot it’s on this
Internet thing Al Gore created.
Dec. 8th
9:00 PM SCI FI PICTURES BATTLESTAR GALACTICA -PT 1 (LBX)
11:09 PM SCI FI PICTURES BATTLESTAR GALACTICA -PT 1 (LBX)
1:17 AM SCI FI PICTURES BATTLESTAR GALACTICA -PT 1 (LBX)
Dec. 9th
6:52 PM SCI FI PICTURES BATTLESTAR GALACTICA -PT 1 (LBX)
9:00 PM SCI FI PICTURES BATTLESTAR GALACTICA -PT 2 (LBX)
11:04 PM SCI FI PICTURES BATTLESTAR GALACTICA -PT 2 (LBX)
1:08 AM SCI FI PICTURES BATTLESTAR GALACTICA -PT 2 (LBX)

Ray some oh so astute words from dvo……………………

Ok don’t trust me run Ronald D. Moore on www.imdb.com not an original thing, everything has a history, and he raped Battlestar Galactica’s history.

Star Trek was a odd show in the 60’, now well-established subculture. It was science fiction for the robust, confident liberalism of JFK: of "New Frontiers" and "bear any burden, pay any price." Star Wars, on the other hand, was a giant clash of good vs. evil. It was Ronald Reagan science fiction, and it was no accident that it became a cultural landmark when American confidence was at a nadir just before Reagan.
Since then Star Trek has made numerous returns — some good, some less so. Star Wars came back, but without the power of the original.

Now, Battlestar Galactica, has returned on The Scifi Channel. The writing lacked the depth of Star Trek, the special effects lagged behind Star War’s, the characters were weak clichés, and it was often sappy and it still lacked any sort of epic quality. The 12 Colonies foolishly signed a peace treaty with the robot Cylons. But the treaty was only a cover for a giant sneak attack. The Colonials were forced from their homes, their civilization shattered. A few, with the will to carry on, gathered the survivors and began searching for a lie called Earth?

The original was a space opera filled with larger-than-life constantly plucking victory from the jaws of defeat. In the new version the characters are human, fallible, and uncertain. Lorne Greene's silver-haired Commander Adama was regal — whereas Edward James Olmos shows his age.

The change from space opera to "realism" a bizarre way to describe science fiction. makes the mechanics of civilization's destruction far more effective. We see leaders deciding to condemn thousands in order to save tens of thousands. On the other hand, the battle scenes are confusing and dull, which may be more realistic, but does not make for great viewing. This is the unintentional result of a limited special-effects budget.

Imbuing the characters with absolutely no depth or humanity requires that the series spend time developing them. But there is too much of a bad thing — the premiere, including commercials, was over four-hour long. There is a dizzying array of rivalries, love interests, and emotional rifts — and gratious sex everywhere.

Political correctness also changes the new version. Some changes are obligatory and cosmetic; the old Battlestar Galactica's womanizing Starbuck is now a woman. Other changes are more interesting. In the original the Cylons were vicious robots that hated humanity — period. In the new version the Cylons were created by humanity, and their animus against humanity takes on religious overtones (some can also pass as humans). Humanity, on the other hand, feels guiltily responsible for the Cylons. But get this the new and improved Cylons believe in God, all 12 models of ‘em?

It isn't Shakespeare, it isn't even Star Trek, but the central themes of Battlestar Galactica — of the fragility of civilization and of the consequences of its demise — it does not come through in the new version.
In a nutshell, BG is sorely lacking in the essentials that would have made this an epic journey as it was meant to be for the human race in a distant galaxy. Moore did not re-imagine this series; he remained true to the original while borrowing heavily from other scifi and stuck to the stereotypes we with some intelligence have come to abhor. All you who bellyache that the old show is dead and that this show is new/different are horribly mistaken not to mention willfully blind. If that were true, I wouldn't be able to draw so many comparisons with it. What Moore has done is produced a hackneyed dinosaur that should have been left incased in rock and only marveled at as a fossil. Clearly I can see intelligence does not rule the entertainment world. When I, a layman, can see directly through their pop psychology, I know I'm not being mentally engaged. And in the end, that's what matters, and it sucks, in addition!
 
Thanks for that dvo, so it is only the 2 shows?

Just some thoughts:

With ST Enterprise purportedly running at $14 million per show and Firefly at similar amounts of stupid money (despite being able to reuse all those horse opera costumes and sets), by US show standards BG seems to be very cheap!

From the review, which seems a touch confused:-
Now, Battlestar Galactica, has returned on The Scifi Channel. The writing lacked the depth of Star Trek, the special effects lagged behind Star War’s, the characters were weak clichés, and it was often sappy and it still lacked any sort of epic quality. The 12 Colonies foolishly signed a peace treaty with the robot Cylons. But the treaty was only a cover for a giant sneak attack. The Colonials were forced from their homes, their civilization shattered. A few, with the will to carry on, gathered the survivors and began searching for a lie called Earth?

The original was a space opera filled with larger-than-life constantly plucking victory from the jaws of defeat.
Seems to sum the original up quite nicely!
The original BG was not a tremendously original show, using Star Trek-esque acting, improbable 'solutions' and 'plot devices' while jumping on the Star Wars band-wagon. So it never broke any new ground, merely fell behind.
That doesn't mean it was bad, just not as good as it could have been. It was and remains a good children's adventure story, easily overcoming Power Rangers or other similar dross.

The rest seems to suggest that Moore & Co. have tried to produce something different and richer than anything currently on show. If anything they have tried too hard to create all the characters and explain what drives them. This I suspect could be the problem of only having a couple of hours to do it in, while trying to prepare the whole sheebang for a future extension. If they had been guaranteed another series, perhaps they might not have felt so inclined to pack it all in?
 
Originally posted by ray gower
Thanks for that dvo, so it is only the 2 shows?


With ST Enterprise purportedly running at $14 million per show and Firefly at similar amounts of stupid money (despite being able to reuse all those horse opera costumes and sets), by US show standards BG seems to be very cheap!

$FOUR MILLION BUCKS IS THE MOST THE SCIFI CHANNEL HAS SPENT ON ANY ONE HOUR SHOW WAS A "TAKEN" EPISODE!
RAY Universal owns SCIFI but it is not a UPN, WB OR DISNEY type FLAGSHIP of Univesal, indeed it is a spin-off of USA that has lost it's way!

Ray, It was a Mini seies, only "Taken" and "The Children of Dune" had higher ratings, but Ray notice the money numbers I put up. The Scifi Channel coasts on Stargate-SG1 & did B: 5 in primetime, Bonnie the President lost ST TNG & ST: DS9 to TNN/Spike.

Ray LOOK @ what The Scifi Channel has lined up for '04.
Press Release Source: SCI FI Channel

SCI FI Channel Doubles Dramatic Series Development or SCI FI Channel Doubles NOT Science Fiction.

SCI FI Channel, already a leader in BULLSH*T announced today that it has doubled its series development for '04-'05. YADAYADAYADAYADAYADA

Ok, pick the one science fiction show:

1.) Dead Lawyers --. Sleazy unscrupulous lawyers, come back from the dead?

2.) The Divide -- A latenight DJ, his dead twin sister, and the local coroner -- teamed up to fight crime?

3.) Legion -- a young man who sells his soul to the devil to save his daughter's life?

4.) Stargate: Atlantis -- MGM Television, Finally Science Fiction on The Scifi Channel, stop the Press!

5.) Painkiller Jane SCI FI and MGM, bring to life a virtually indestructible super-heroine?

6.) Clive Barker's The Evil One – Come on, Clive Barker?

7.) Total Eclipse -- Jeremy Cross arrives at his new teaching and research position at Greylock, a beautiful and prestigious college, only to discover that the school is a nexus of the otherworldly, arcane, and supernatural? ..............Stolen from Harry Potter.........

8.) Suture Girl --Gretchen Culver from "Spawn" Whacked by a serial killer, a beautiful is literally stitched back to life and imbued with special powers by gypsies?

9.) Ok A Mad Mad World or House, Reality TV but with Vampires not Dracula fans, people that drink blood, sleep in coffins, Trekkies that live it, speak Klingon, Naturist, I emailed an Elizabeth that was doing Casting, she wants guys to dangle? Various other WIERDOS! That Shannon 90210 show on steroids?

10.) Series projects currently in development include Quantum Leap, Anonymous Rex, Reveille's 1000 Days and Brother Voodoo.

The Quantum Leap crowd had a lot of “Leap On†posts, they are no longer doing those " Leap on†postings, go figure?
 
Overall, I don't think the amount a show costs has a lot to do with how good, or bad, it is. It all depends upon the shows presentation and story. Arguably it can be seen in modern ST when comparing that to the original, certainly it can in shows like Red Dwarf where budgets were in low 6 figures.

Sadly I am still not in a position to offer a objective view of the new BG as I doubt it will arrive in the UK for a good few months yet.

The rest is verging on off-topic and would perhaps be better put in the Television section?
But for an answer:-
It is a well known fact that Sci/Fi are dropping almost all their science fiction output. But should we be surprised. After all virtually all science-fiction has disappeared from bookshop shelves in favour of fantasy?
As for the list of shows, I agree they are very old shows revamped
 
Originally posted by ray gower With ST Enterprise purportedly running at $14 million per show and Firefly at similar amounts of stupid money (despite being able to reuse all those horse opera costumes and sets), by US show standards BG seems to be very cheap!

From the review, which seems a touch confused:-

Seems to sum the original up quite nicely!
The original BG was not a tremendously original show, using Star Trek-esque acting, improbable 'solutions' and 'plot devices' while jumping on the Star Wars band-wagon. So it never broke any new ground, merely fell behind.
Ray you DID NOT GRASP MY NONE TO SUBTILE ANOLOGIES!!!

Indeed I was using good gone bad to HIGHLIGHT Ronald D. Moore/David Eick strayed from the NATURALISTIC SCIENCE FICTION Ronald D. Moore intended NO DOGFIGHTS IN SPACE, SPACE HAS A SPEED LIMIT & NO SOUND IN SPACE whoops The Scifi Channel put a stop to Reality and Relativity indeed LIGHTSPEED IS TIME TRAVEL read Albert Einstein

Ok Glen A. Larson was shopping Adam's Ark before Roddenberry put Star Trek on NBC, way before Lucas made THX, I hate these not to informed reviews of Battlestar Galactica. Was Kirk, Spock or Bones protectng a fleet of sublight ships? Indeed the Borg could be argued as a Cylon ripoff?
 

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