The Red Lady Conspiracy Theory

[TK-421]

Gods with different aspects...Why can't they be simple like us mortals.

I don't check to boards for 2 days and this whole discussion about my favourite vixen takes place.

Good theory Aegon and glad you started the discussion. The only power she could be working is that theoretical power behind the Faceless Men or that secret society that is working to detabilize Westeros.

If Melissandre is actually wanting to bring forth the Others, she's a total fool (which I don't think she is). Now, unless she has a way for dealing with them, she's just asking for trouble. Now, I don't think she's a fool, she may be a little blinded by faith but very deliberate in what she does. Now that she has met Jon, I would say she is having doubts about Stannis.

I have said it before and I will say it again: Melissandre will kill Stannis.

 

[Dolorous Edd]

Good theory Aegon and glad you started the discussion. The only power she could be working is that theoretical power behind the Faceless Men or that secret society that is working to detabilize Westeros.

You don't think they're one and the same then m8?

 

[TK-421]

Yes, that's what I meant...they are the same.

 

[DeannaBelle]

I never thought about Melisandre not really being a priest of R'hollar. i just sort of assumed he was as bad of a god as she was a preistess. yet I was confused because Maester Aemon didn't share the same bad opinion of the religion, just Melisandre's interpretation of it.

I assumed Dany was What's-his-name reborn (the dude who stuck his sword through his wife's bare chest) as she smothered her love to use him again in fire-magic for the birth of her dragons. Different details, same magic.

 

[DeannaBelle]

LOL,

I think the contrast between Thoros and Mel is deliberate and striking. Mel's intentions are clearly suspect when contemplating the comparison.

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Most striking to me is that Mel gives life to creepy murdering shadows and Thoros give life to his dead friends.

 

[devilsgrin]

and which of those two powers is the most heinous?
i'm voting for the half-lives that these resurrectedees have. Dondarion seems mostly normal...but uncat...?
Death is just another step...
Melissandre's shadows were murdering yes, BUT they were pragmatic and expedient ways to further her goals with minimal damage.
How much damage have the BWB done to all and sundry?

 

[TK-421]

So "pragmatic and expedient" murder is better than vigilante murder. Interesting moral statement.

 

[Qhorin Halfhand]

i'm voting for the half-lives that these resurrectedees have. Dondarion seems mostly normal...but uncat...?

I disagree with the suggestion that Catelyn's new visage as Lady Stoneheart has much to do with her resurrection (other than physically). The reason she would be bloodthirsty, murderous and so on would be because she's snapped from having all her children die, not to mention she was already wound pretty tight and often irrational when the series started.

 

[Tansy]

I disagree with the suggestion that Catelyn's new visage as Lady Stoneheart has much to do with her resurrection (other than physically). The reason she would be bloodthirsty, murderous and so on would be because she's snapped from having all her children die, not to mention she was already wound pretty tight and often irrational when the series started.

I think that when she died the kinder, rational part of her died and what was ressurected was the angry and bitter side of her seeking vengenace. That part of her that had freed Jaime on the off chance he would keep his promise and save her children was lost, had she not died when she met Brienne again she would have listened to her story, uncat just saw the sword and wanted vengenace.

Could it be because she had been dead awhile before being brought back and then it was a second hand breath of rh'llor. Not direct from Thoros the priest but from Beric who had carried Rh'llor's breath for a long time and been raised from the dead multiple times. (Mind you I think witnessing the Red Wedding would drive anyone mad and vengeful. Seeing your son with his wolf's head as his own would tip any mother over the edge, not to mention being killed yourself)

Didn't Beric claim that each time he came back he was less human? this Maybe when he passed on his breath to uncat he also passed on this aspect too. Maybe if Thoros had ressurected with her with"fresh" breath of Rh'llor she would be slightly different?

Just a thought..

 

[Tansy]

and which of those two powers is the most heinous?
i'm voting for the half-lives that these resurrectedees have. Dondarion seems mostly normal...but uncat...?
Death is just another step...
Melissandre's shadows were murdering yes, BUT they were pragmatic and expedient ways to further her goals with minimal damage.
How much damage have the BWB done to all and sundry?

The shadows also took part of Stannis, Mel was scared that birthing another one would harm him too much. I think this is part of the change that has come over Stannis, the "Shadow-babies of Mel's were of his essence. Whenever she created one part of him was lost, maybe this explains how easily he fell under her thrall and converted to Rh'llor, as he was just going through the motions to start with in order to gian more support for his claim to the throne. Now, however, he seems a shadow of the man he was, only Davos seems to be able bring him back to himself in times of stress.

I wonder what part of him went into the shadow creature - his soul? Therefore making him more susceptible to using evil means to achieve his goals?

 

[Qhorin Halfhand]

Didn't Beric claim that each time he came back he was less human? this Maybe when he passed on his breath to uncat he also passed on this aspect too. Maybe if Thoros had ressurected with her with"fresh" breath of Rh'llor she would be slightly different?

Just a thought..

I don't remember what he said exactly. I remember getting the impression that he wasn't losing bits of himself so much as he felt "less alive." He didn't experience the joys of life as much anymore but he never lost himself. His beliefs and character were still there. I'm sticking with the "all her children are dead and her eldest one died basically in front of her sent her mad" theory for now!

 

[Tansy]

Sorry Qhorin I probably worded it badly - I meant that he was losing touch with his humanity, forgetting himself kind of thing, the things he used to care about in life, his interest, passions and moral code were fading in his mind, each time he "died" they were harder to recall, not that he was actually losing part of himself. It makes sense because once you pass into death you stop worrying about earthly matters, what was important in life is insignificant in death.

It was Stannis I think that has lost part of himself to Mel's Shadow babies

I think the breath of Rh'llor thing is interesting as it seems to reanimate the body but the personality changes to focus on the last thing that happened before they died, they don't regain their full personality and humanity. Maybe it's the crossing into death that does it or maybe it's something more sinister to do with Rh'llor? Maybe they come back without a soul and the most vivid memory.righting their biggest wrong before they died becomes their solefocus, ie uncat hunting down every Frey on the planet so she can see them swing?

 

[Charming Serpent]

Personally, I think she truly is just mistaken and believes Stannis is the wrong person. A grave mistake, as Aemon said: That will only lead everyone into greater darkness.

I also think she is trying too hard to make it true and maybe deep inside knows osme **** is wrong, but would willingly look over such facts as long as she thinks they are jus "minor" deatails.