Lost: Season Three

[Carolyn Hill]

Yes; it did encounter Locke once and did not attack him. But then again - the smoke-cloud attacked & killed Echo for no apparent reason. I don't remember him expressing any negative emotions that time; I think he was just walking in the jungle and next thing he knew...whip, bang - he was being flung around amongst the trees.

Thanks for the information about Locke and the smoke-cloud!

Eko killed many people before coming to the island. And when the island finally killed Eko, it did so in the body of his brother, the priest, who opposed Eko's choice to kill people. So maybe the smoke-cloud tossed Eko around because of his previous murderous behavior?

 

[Mollygurl]

Eko killed many people before coming to the island. And when the island finally killed Eko, it did so in the body of his brother, the priest, who opposed Eko's choice to kill people. So maybe the smoke-cloud tossed Eko around because of his previous murderous behavior?

Good point...you may be right about that. All I know is it's a darn puzzling thing. The smoke-cloud must be controlled by something or else why wouldn't it be able to cross the barriers in to the Other's now-abandoned compound?

Hopefully we'll learn more about it this week!

 

[geoff_360]

Good point...you may be right about that. All I know is it's a darn puzzling thing. The smoke-cloud must be controlled by something or else why wouldn't it be able to cross the barriers in to the Other's now-abandoned compound?

Why didn't it just jump the fence? Thats how Locke, Kate, Sayid & co. got past it, by going over - surely it is able to fly more than twelve feet off the ground?

I think it's not man-made, it's something quite ancient. Maybe something to do with the people who made the statue with four toes we saw at the end of series 2? Then there is that reference to "Cerberus" on the hatch map Locke saw, which I presume is The Monster - that would tie in with some sort of ancient theme...

 

[TK-421]

Thanks for the information about Locke and the smoke-cloud!

Eko killed many people before coming to the island. And when the island finally killed Eko, it did so in the body of his brother, the priest, who opposed Eko's choice to kill people. So maybe the smoke-cloud tossed Eko around because of his previous murderous behavior?

What about Sun? She killed an Other. She also caused the death of her lover back in Korea.

Then, there's Sawyer who also killed that guy in Australia.

 

[Carolyn Hill]

For that matter, what about Kate? She killed her stepfather. Maybe the island sees them as redeemable, but doesn't see Eko as redeemable? (Heck, I dunno.)

 

[Mollygurl]

Tonight's show was great! So Juliette IS a mole! Or rather...she was planted as a mole - but I have a feeling that she won't betray the Lostaways. I think that she'll become too attached to them (or maybe just Jack) and she won't be able to go through with whatever Ben's plan is.

5 more episodes to go in the Season!!!

 

[ambershadow]

Great episode. She may not want to be a mole but ben does hold things like her sister over her head. I think ben has lost his connection to the out side when john blew up the communication center and the sub, The others may be a lost as the lostaways.

 

[Mollygurl]

Totally agree! Juliette is desperate to get home and she will do whatever she thinks will further that cause - I just hope she decides that Jack & crew are a better bet to get her off the island than Ben & the Others.

I'm wracking my brain though about the purpose of Ben's plan. Exactly WHAT does he have in mind? He told Juliette that he'd see her in a week. For what? What is she supposed to do in a week? Gain their trust? And then what? They've already taken the children, blood samples, Jack, Kate, Sawyer etc etc what more could they want? One of the BIG mysteries I guess? Let's hope that some of our questions are resolved by the end of this Season at least!

 

[Trey Greyjoy]

The only monkey wrench is Juliett's relationship with Goodwin. If it was serious she may hold a grudge against the lostaways, ala what Tom said to Jack about glass houses....

 

[Mollygurl]

True but it wasn't the Beach Lostaways that killed Goodwin - it was the Tail-end group. I wonder if Juliette knows that? Hopefully because there aren't many who have survived from that group. Eko's dead...Anna is dead...who else was there? Oh, Bernard of course, and he's not dead. Hey; whatever happened to that couple anyhow? We haven't seen them at all this Season.

 

[Carolyn Hill]

Who is Jacob? Ben referred to Jacob when Juliet was in Ben's kitchen, pleading with him to let her go home. Ben said something about Jacob healing Juliet's sister and then said "or don't you trust him either?" I got the impression that Juliet was surprised to hear that Jacob would do that; mentioning Jacob seemed like a trump card.

A while ago, one of the Others told someone that Ben isn't the ultimate authority on the island. Is Jacob--whoever Jacob is?

I got the impression that Jacob has more island-powers or more moral credibility than Ben.

 

[TK-421]

My impressions:

On Juliet: Juliet said to Jack "I'm already on my own" I took this to meaning that she is playing both sides to see who will give her the best chance to get off the island.

On the Others: The episode was a very good glimpse in the dynamics of the Others.

On the pregnancies and Claire: Well, fist let's remember that Ben once said he was born on the island. So, either something happened so that women cannot conceive anymore or they really can and they are simply using them as guinea pigs for something other purpose. Claire's life was never in danger and she would of given birth regardless. In this, either Juliet is lying or was lied to. But I believe the former because of well the implant they activated but Juliet told Ben after being on the island for 6 months that the problem is at conception. So, because Claire had conceived off the island, she would of been safe. But that may not be so for Sun. If Sun conceived in the island, then her life is in danger. But if she was pregnant before coming to the island by either Jin or her now dead lover, then she should be OK.

On cancer: Ben lied to Juliet and her sister's cancer never did come back. They could of easily falsified the records he showed her. Then, how could he have "cured" her cancer without bringing her to the island? And how do you explain his own cancer? I believe the island chooses who it "cures".

On the Black Smoke Monster: There are 2 people who think they understand the island and claim to have seen into its very heart: Locke and Eko. They are also the only 2 to have faced the monster. It later came back and killed Eko. I don't think it killed him because he was a "bad man". I think that's a bit of a red herring because there are alot of other "bad people" on the island (Sayid, Kate, Sawyer, Niki, Paulo, Sun, Locke and to a lesser extent Desmond and Charlie) who have not been killed by the monster. I think that the difference is that Eko actually learned the island's secret while Locke hasn't or only thinks he has. That's why Eko was killed; to prtect the island's secret.

Just some thoughts.

 

[ambershadow]

Yes, Eko saw a lot more than the others and I believe your right as to why he died. Maybe Ben was concieved somewhere else and just born on the Island like clairs baby.

 

[Mollygurl]

On Juliet: Juliet said to Jack "I'm already on my own" I took this to meaning that she is playing both sides to see who will give her the best chance to get off the island.

Good point. I forgot about that - and you're probably right. Fingers crossed!

On the pregnancies and Claire: ... If Sun conceived in the island, then her life is in danger. But if she was pregnant before coming to the island by either Jin or her now dead lover, then she should be OK.

I've been of two minds on her pregnancy; either she is pregnant by her now-dead lover (because the doctor told her that Jin was sterile); or the island somehow 'cured' Jin and his sterility was reversed. I guess that would mean that Sun conceived on the island. TK - Why do you say that Sun's life is in danger? Do you think the Others will kill her?

Funny thing just occurred to me...the show has been on for 3 Seasons (i.e. Years) and they have only been on the Island for what? 40-some odd days? At the rate they're going, Sun's child won't be born for another 7 years!

On the Black Smoke Monster: ... I think that the difference is that Eko actually learned the island's secret while Locke hasn't or only thinks he has. That's why Eko was killed; to prtect the island's secret.

At first, I thought that the black-smoke-cloud-monster-thing may be something that is controlled by the Others. That they sent it after Eko, to kill him, because they recognized the potential threat he was to their plans (whatever those are). I thought for sure my theory was right when I saw it chase after Juliet & Kate, and Juliet activated the barrier that prevented it from reaching them. It seemed too convenient. But after reading your theory - you may be right that the smoke-monster is the Island's defense system and is protecting its' secret.

 

[Mollygurl]

Who is Jacob? Ben referred to Jacob when Juliet was in Ben's kitchen, pleading with him to let her go home. Ben said something about Jacob healing Juliet's sister and then said "or don't you trust him either?" I got the impression that Juliet was surprised to hear that Jacob would do that; mentioning Jacob seemed like a trump card.

I wasn't quite sure either - I assumed that he was the man who recruited her to come to the Island? What name did Ben say when he took Juliet to the Communication Center to see the video of her sister & child? He told someone to focus on the newspaper...Didn't he say Jacob? Can't remember now...anyone help us out?

A while ago, one of the Others told someone that Ben isn't the ultimate authority on the island. Is Jacob--whoever Jacob is?I got the impression that Jacob has more island-powers or more moral credibility than Ben.

Maybe. I think the ultimate authority is the woman - what was her name again? - who spoke Chinese to Jack when he was being held in the animal cage. She was the one who presided over Juliet's 'trial'. Oh; hang on a tick...during the trial, Ben sent a note and *snap* Juliet was absolved of her crime...that lady didn't look too happy about it. Hmm...maybe she's not the authority either. It's probably a character that we haven't met yet then.

 

[Mollygurl]

Well! I don't know about the rest of you but; I thought last night's episode was a wash. While it filled in some blanks about Desmond and gave us a 2-second worry that he may not save Charlie from being killed...I am a little disappointed. With only a few episodes left, I was hoping to really push through the mystery of the Others and find out more about their plans for the Lostaways.

But of course the question is - who was that girl, why did she have a picture of Desmond & Penny and how does she know his name? Des looked as confused as I felt.

The little back story on the Jack/Juliet/Kate/Sawyer Quadrangle was interesting though. I don't think there's much doubt now that Kate is head-over-heels in love with the good doctor. I hope that she and Sawyer are using protection ...imagine if she ends up pregnant as well?

Previews for next week showed Sun speaking to Juliet about her pregnancy. Maybe Sun and her baby is the reason for Ben's plan to have Juliet infiltrate the group?

 

[TK-421]

Well, I loved the name of the episode "Catch-22". But did you notice that the title of the book that was in the backpack of the mysterious parachutist was "Ardil-22" or the Portuguese version of Joseph Heller's book. Is there a link with the Protuguese-speaking Brazilians at that Antarctic station from I think season 1?

Also, did you notice who was in the picture with Brother Campbell in his office? It was the woman that in a previous Desmond flashback explained to him his "greater purpose" and his "gift". The one who told him in the store that he was supposed to give back the ring. Brother Campbell likely sought out Desmond to prevent him from making a mistake (marrying Ruth) in order to set him on his course toward this "greater purpose". He meeting Penny was likely no coincidence either.

Desmond is obviously a different man now and I think the island has changed him. It would explain why they have spent so much time telling us he's a coward but everything he's done since we've seen him on the island, indicates the opposite. Especially in his efforts to save Charlie. But, I don't believe that he sacrificed Penny in order to save Charlie. Well, first it wasn't Penny (the simple explanation) but maybe it was supposed to be. But, my theory is what good is it really for Desmond to see these visions if he isn't supposed to change them, expecially if he has the power to do so.

The scary camp story by Jin was hillarious. So was Sawyer's "I can make you a mixed tape" remark and then him giving Kate Phil Collin's Greatest Hits. She called him James again. Does she really love him? I think more and more. He's the bad guy she was always able to get. Jack represents the good guy she can never have (like her cop ex-husband that she left).

Four more episodes and next week, all about Sun...

 

[Trey Greyjoy]

Definately a mixed episode. The end was a huge letdown. I really expected the parachutist to be someone we knew. To end an episode with yet another new character was lame.
The camping trip was fun and the same with the ping-pong game.
I like Desmond, one of my favorite characters. The monk had some great on screen presence. I hope to see him again.

 

[Carolyn Hill]

Also, did you notice who was in the picture with Brother Campbell in his office? It was the woman that in a previous Desmond flashback explained to him his "greater purpose" and his "gift". The one who told him in the store that he was supposed to give back the ring. Brother Campbell likely sought out Desmond to prevent him from making a mistake (marrying Ruth) in order to set him on his course toward this "greater purpose". He meeting Penny was likely no coincidence either.

That's creepy, TK! Good catch. As I was watching the episode, I definitely got the feeling that Brother Campbell seemed knew something about the island or more than a regular monk might know about fate. But all I remember about the photo was that, for a split second, I thought the woman was Penny.

 

[TK-421]

My feeling is that Ben purposely let Locke hear the tape recording from Juliet and let him see him put it in the drawer and told him about the raid, knowing that Locke would find a way to get that information to the survivor's camp. Either way he wins: Juliet get lynched by the mob or she comes crawling back to him. He knows he's lost her loyalty to herself.

It will be interesting if Sawyer now stops using that name. He's had his revenge. I hope he corrects the next person who calls him Sawyer :"My name is James."

But great episode. Locke is becoming a Rousseau? I think next week will reveal ALOT abou the Others.