Possible Revenge? or crackpot theory SPOILLER!!!!!

[Weasel Soup]

pocketses, evidently not elephants hehehehehe

 

[Boaz]

MTR, great theory. I don't have any definite answers, but I do have a few observations to share.

I would not put it past the Greatjon's brothers to try and turn the tables on Ramsay, but are they that clever to wait until they control Moat Cailin to murder Ramsay? I think Ramsay may trick them into being the first wave of attackers on Moat Cailin, thus thinning their numbers.

My biggest issue with this theory is the timeline. With ADWD supposedly happening concurrently with AFFC, I'd expect more rumors from the north, ie. the Manderly's dealings with Davos.

Bolton and fake Arya left KL before Jaime. How long before? I dunno. But it might have been long enough for word of Ramsay's defeat of the Ironmen to have filtered back to the Riverlands where Jaime presently commands.

If Brynden is to rally the North, he's had very little time to do it so far. The Reeds have had more time... and I think they are accustomed to secrecy.

As for Theon's just killing of Ramsay... well, the Starks did not get their hands on Joffrey, Jaime did not get to personally chop Vargo limb from limb, nor has Victarion done for Euron. Only Stoneheart seems to be able to pull off some measure of personal vengeance, but she'll never reach Lord Lothar himself. Martin may not allow for personal vengeance in his writing, but fate, divind providence, justice, an eye for an eye, reaping what you sow, or whatever you call it seems to be a part of AGOT. Now I know that many "innocents" have suffered and died also, but do we really know their stories? Perhaps the sins of their fathers have caught up to them, eg. The Patriot.

 

[stonStark]

Reason why H. Reed is hiding in his swamp:
It is obvious that H. Reed & Ned Stark had a fight (better to say: disagreement). What or who was the object of disagreement is the question (!!!) and here is the answer:

What if Ned and Reed had a fight about Jon Snow (in time when he was a baby)? Why? H. Reed loved (was in love, is loving) Lyanna Stark (H. Reed is the guy from Harrenhall tournament) and he didn’t want her son “hidden” from world, or he didn’t want lies told about Lyanna’s death, or he denied Robert’s right for throne (he preferred son of Lyanna and more importantly Rhaegar). All the same... Ned forbid him, and ordered him to keep it a secret. Ned was his lord commander and he had to bend knees. When war was over he left ”forever” from world out of his swamp because he can't live or fight for something he doesn’t believe (Like Ned)

 

[Boaz]

Hmmm, I always thought that Meera and Jojen knew the stories about the Wolves because of Howland's friendship with Eddard. But he could have loved Lyanna and admired Brandon... and his presence at the Tower of Joy was due to his desire for revenge for Brandon and rescue for Lyanna.

Here's something else... what if J=L+H? What if Jon is really a frog and not a dragon? A Song of Ice and Mud?!?!

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

A Song of Ice and Mud made me chuckle...

My wife brought up the point that if fake Arya is being brought north wouldnt she serve as a sort of galvanizer for whatever manpower is left up there. The north has always thought the Lannisters held both girls, and now that Sansa is essentially a Lannister they can not anoint her Queen in the North without her title passing to Tyrion, so from their perspective wouldnt Arya be the only viable Stark heir. And while I know and you know shes a fake Arya, they dont know that. So with that in mind, if theres going to be any sort of insurgence its going to happen before the wedding to Ramsay, the ******* of Bolton. If that wedding goes off as planned then the North is dead and a non-issue for the rest of the story.

Just my thoughts.....I cant get the picture of a little frogman putting the moves on an amazon out of my head now....thanks Boaz

 

[Boaz]

Aegon, get your wife posting here pronto! That is a good observation.

By the way, since you mentioned discussing ASOIAF with your wife, I'll assume you're back home. Congratulations!

And you are welcome for the unwanted images... it's a talent of mine.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Sadly bub Im not back home....but she's rereading the series now....so we chat about things like that on the phone.

As for posting....my wife is an oddity, Bright, intelligent (speaks 6 languages) and quite attractive and yet is scared of computers like most women are of cockroaches.....go figure.

Im in Pakistan now, so I guess thats better.

 

[MOUNTAIN THAT READS]

Aegon,This gives the Umbers all the more reason to do some bolton killin at the moat, before there can be a wedding. SHHHH..... I huntin wabbits, I mean Boltons. Them wraskily boltons (Any likeness to Elmer Fudd is pure coincedence and should not be seen as a copyright violation)

 

[stonStark]

Good observation Boaz, my idea too but wrong. Reed is not the father that would leave his son, and Ned isn’t man who would order that to him. If Jon was Reed’s son Ned would order him to lie about his mother, nothing more.

 

[Weasel Soup]

A Song of Ice and Mud made me chuckle...


Too put it mildly, that has to be the best one liner i have read in a long time.

Woke up this morning and was still laughing about it. Brilliant.

 

[Funky Cthulu]

Too put it mildly, that has to be the best one liner i have read in a long time.

Woke up this morning and was still laughing about it. Brilliant.[/quote]


Its excellent - my ultimate favourite remains "So Drogo, would you like Freys with that?". But ASOIAM is gonna stick in the mind too!