The Swords that were ice

[Winters_Sorrow]

I wonder if Tyrion will find Brightroar while across the narrow sea.

This completely stumped me, so I had to look it up. For all the other ignorant people like me, Brightroar is the ancient ancestral sword of House Lannister but was lost when King Tommen II when to Valyria.
So to me, it could just be that Tywin melted down Ice because the swine was jealous that House Stark still had their sword. The Git.

 

[Culhwch]

I thought that Brightroar was lost when Tommen II's ship sank, and therefore is at the bottom of some distant sea. I'm probably wrong, of course.

 

[Koopa]

Well yes offcourse, he melted down ince, because te lannisters are proud and a important usually holds valyrian steel, they did not though at least not longer.

So when he got ice handed to him, he made two valyrian swords of it for house Lannister

 

[MOUNTAIN THAT READS]

Maybe patchface knows where the sunken sword is after all he was under the sea. What ever happened to the Targ swords?

 

[Lady Blackfyre]

What ever happened to the Targ swords?

Good question. We know Blackfyre was given to Daemon Blackfyre and the last of his line was killed on the Steps. I assume if he had it with him then it was brought back to King's Landing.

The other one is most likely in King's Landing as well, Aerys would probably have had it with him when he died. Or maybe Rhaegar had it.

 

[ras'matroi]

Continuing there:
Right at the beginning of AGoT Ice is introduced.
It isn't said how long it had been the sword of the Starks.

It goes al follows: " ... It was as wide across as a man's hand, and taller even than Robb. The blade was Valyrian steel, spell forged and dark as smoke. ... "

Dark as smoke => black
black => Blackfyre

A reward Ned got after the victory over the Targaryen ?

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Neds not the type to rename a sword. He had too much respect for that. He would have told his sons of his accomplishment were he to speak of it and ask them to respect a fallen opponent. Of course he wouldnt have spoken of it but he definitely wouldnt have dishonored an adversary no matter how heinous they were by renaming a sword.

Maybe Robert would have handed it to him and renamed it Ice without letting Ned know. But I dont know....

Just my thoughts.

 

[Culhwch]

I thought Ice had been the Stark's for a lot longer than that...

 

[Boaz]

Cully, that's my impression also. I figure Ice had been around since before the Targaryen conquest.

 

[Funky Cthulu]

Cully, that's my impression also. I figure Ice had been around since before the Targaryen conquest.

OK, brain is dead right now, but didn't the Targaryens bring Valyrian steel with them?

 

[Winters_Sorrow]

OK, brain is dead right now, but didn't the Targaryens bring Valyrian steel with them?

I would imagine (and this is just common sense to me, rather than something I read in the books) that you would have been able to buy the stuff from Valyria when it was still around.
Remember, the only reason Aegon & his sisters attacked Westeros in the first place was because Valyria was destroyed and Westeros had a nice big ocean between itself and Ghis. Well, that and the fact it seems the ancient Westerosi Andals were pushovers...
I wonder if there's still any "anti-dragon" weapons or tactical manuscripts in Ghis by the way? Since Ghis and Valyria were ancient enemies and Ghis wasn't just wiped out by Targ dragon-riders, they must have had some tactic or defense against them.

 

[Koopa]

after the destruction the Targaryans stayed a bit on Dragonstone until Aegon decided to invade Westeros (dont know if this is a few years but i think it was a few centuries) During these centuries they sold Valyrian steel, that money would later finance the conquest.

Personally i think blackfyre was taken to Daemon descendants, after all only two sons of him died, he had more, and in all the confusion, there may have been a loyal soul around who brought the blade to the blackfyres that or one of the other halfbrothers took it, (bittersteel perhaps) i mean the one who started the golden company and his descendants may have it.

DarkSister, well dunno what happened to that one, Rhaegar had it with him when he went to battle against Robert i think

 

[Boaz]

I wonder if there's still any "anti-dragon" weapons or tactical manuscripts in Ghis by the way? Since Ghis and Valyria were ancient enemies and Ghis wasn't just wiped out by Targ dragon-riders, they must have had some tactic or defense against them.

Good thinking, WS. They may have had tactics, but in the end Ghis lost three major wars (if I'm not mistaken) to Valyria. Historically, the Carthaginians lost three major wars to the Romans... and the Romans finally had the foundations of Carthage utterly destroyed. Interesting that Ghis still stands after Valyria perished. Perhaps the origins of the Unsullied lie in training men to face dragons in battle. Perhaps the name Slaver's Bay, where Ghis is located, got it's name from Ghis finding a way to live with Valyria instead of trying to rival it. But if anyone had plans (good or bad) to deal with dragons, it'd be Ghis. Maybe some old Grazdan will sell the information to Stannis, Euron, or Jon.

 

[Koopa]

Too bad Hannibal did not win, mereley cause he was 'screwed' by a political rival in carthage

 

[MemmoN]

What I think will be the most tantalizing union will be when Darkstar gets his his mitts on the valyrian blade Nightfall! He'll tear out of Dorne for Oldtown.

 

[Faceless Woman]

Wow. I missed some interesting stuff when I was in the hospital... umm, I meant, on holiday. Yes. Holiday.

I don't know exactly when Ice appeared, but it was definately an ancestral blade. I don't think the Andals would have had Valyrian steel before the conquest, because before the Doom Valyrians were extremely powerful and extremely arrogant. That is, supposedly, what caused the Doom in the first place. They would not have believed that the Andals had anything worth trading, and they probably would have been right.

So. Post-Field of Fire, pre-Ned.

 

[BeefcakeTheMighty]

Not to hijack the thread or anything, but has anyone seen the pictures of Longclaw? A guy commisssioned Barret Customs to make a replica of Longclaw based on his description. Not quite what I pictured, but its still pretty sweet. Since I can't post links, google image search "longclaw sword" and it should pop up. Pretty cool imo.

 

[Ice_Oathkeeper]

i think it has something to do with the return of the dragons with daenerys. along the same lines as the wildfire suddenly becoming much more potent and easy to make. i would go so far as to speculate that the so-called "lord of light" and all things associated with him (ie-how thoros keeps bringing back beric and all the powers that melisandre wields). i think that it goes back to dragons reentering the world.

 

[ras'matroi]

The Valyrian swords will certainly play a big role when it comes to a fight between humans
and Others. If I remember correctly 'Dragon glass' and Valyrian steel were the only things that
could kill them.

concerning the anti-dragon-weapons:
Valyrian steel forged in dragon fire and dragon glass at least touched if not molten by it can
kill the Others.
Dragons are enemys of the Others
=> The others have/can forge/make weapons to fight dragons.

 

[MOUNTAIN THAT READS]

So then since there are dragons again could Valyrian steel be made again? That is of course assuming someone knows how.
Which came first the last dragon dying or the doom of Valyria?