Was Joff really the target?

[DeannaBelle]

Maybe he just plain choked. Pycelle carries out the autopsy, finds a sliver of pigeon bone lodged in Joff's throat and, knowing that Tyrion would cop the blame - Tyrion, who had humiliated him so - he hid the proof and pointed to poison.

Not saying I believe this. Just putting it out there.

Pycelle wouldbe wise to eliminate Tyrion. Tyrion's too sharp for the old measter.

However, wasn't it Tyrion who ordered the pie? I would be down with the pie-that-killed theory except that it was Tyrion who ... Wait, no, is was Cersei, wasnt it? Anyway, who ordered the pie and who baked the pie are two different things. Another thing is the only reason I can give for the Tyrells leeting their dear Margaery marry that little brat is because they knew they wouldnt have to contend with him for long.


Also, I dont trust a word Petyr says. I dont believe eveything went according to his plans as he would have Sansabelieve. He just tries to build himself up in her mind.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

I like the theory...

The times it takes to take effect is a non-issue, strength of concentration, the happenstance of volume consumed, and constitutions of the afflicted are too mecurial for anything definite to be ascribed from Cressen vs Joff.

Petyr had to know something was afoot with the poison, he knew about Sansa's hair net and he knew Olenna touched, and he was the one that told her to wear it. Thats what was in the goblet....

So maybe its a big bit of misdirection on his part. But I dont know how it would be possible to know about it without being a part of the planning.

 

[Chmee]

And i just re read that bit in whcih Cressen dies and we dont actually see him die
just fall to the floor he might of survived longer?

Also for the Poison to be in the pie it would have to have been in everyones pie wouldnt it? Unless someone get sthe poison into Tyrions portion after its been cut in that case you would need the entire kitchen staff on your side.

It would be much easier to put it into one of the earlier portions wouldnt it?

So i reckon Joffrey was definately the target.

 

[Charming Serpent]

I don't know why this is ever even debated. It was Joff who was the target. The old Tyrell woman plucked a gem from Sansa's net and dipped it into the wine. Hence the purple liquid at the bottom that Tyrion pours out. Besides that proof, Littlefinger tells Sansa how it happened and who did it and why.

 

[Chmee]

And through out this series we've been constantly reminded how honest and trustworthy LF is Serpent.

 

[Charming Serpent]

True, but LF had no way of knowing Olenna Tyrell was going to adjust Sansa's hairnet while he was on the boat and Dontos had no coin or way of getting asshaii gems without someone like LF unless he was a part of it as he states. And he has something in mind for Sansa otherwise he would not have told her who really killed Joff and why. And he didnt kill her when her aunt went raving about how she killed Lord Arrynn just as Petyr told her to also.

 

[MOUNTAIN THAT READS]

It's been so long I had forgotten my password.

What if Olenna touched the hair net because she and LF were planning on killing Tyrion the whole time. Olenna wants Tyrion dead in order to marry Sansa to Willas. This would explain how LF new someone touched the hair net.

1 LF gives Sansa the hair net.
2 Olenna takes the fake stone.
3 Olenna gives it to a serving person (who is probably a secret Tyrell servant, no one would notice, no one is checking id's)
4 The servant dissovles the drug a head of time.
5 Then brushes it onto the pie crust just before serving it to Tyrion.
6 Sansa is free
7 Lannister's won't kill her, too valuable to Tywin (who was still alive), his new move Sansa+Lanniser= North, Tyrell plan Wyllas+Sansa=North, LF plan Sansa+Harry= Vale and North

LF and Olenna both needed Tyrion dead, the could have worked together.




(I thought this thread was dead, this is my un thread)

 

[Charming Serpent]

As to ur theory ....... no.

LF states how while Mace blusters and talks that it was Olenna who was asking about joffs nature and how he was. LF then spreads rumors thru Mace's camps about how Joff is horrible etc etc cuz "thats how the game is played". He then states how Olenna knew that Mace wanted his daughter to be queen and that they needed a king, but not Joff. Mentions how margaery will marry Tommen and just wait and see.

Olenna is more shrewd and not even remotely as fragile as she leads people to believe. She also is hovering around Tyrion and the chalice right before Joff drinks it. I think Margaery was in on it also.

 

[schpat]

There's something that doesn't sit right with me about the whole Olenna working with LF to poison Joff.

Why would she need the poison to be smuggled into the feast in Sansa's hairnet. It's not like they were searched on the way in. It's also fairly complex to remove a stone from a setting in full view of onlookers. Also I can't remember Olenna ever having the opportunity to slip Joff the poison, it must have been Maigery that actually did it.

These are just questions that I have, any views?

 

[Chmee]

There might have been a 'trick' stone that was designed to come out easily?

And i definately remember that Olenna was over by Tyrion as hes getting soaked by joffrey for no apparent reason.

 

[Boaz]

The reason Olenna insisted to Littlefinger that he provide the poison at the banquet is that she has complete deniability up until the moment she extracts the stone from the hairnet. This is important so that Littlefinger does not double-cross her... he could have gone to Cersei and said, "I've heard a rumor that Olenna has brought The Strangler to kill Joffrey." Imagine Olenna's surprise when Ser Ilyn shows up...