The Long Run (Book Club)

[Teresa Edgerton]

I'm still finding the book hard going. Most of Trent's associates are blurring together in my mind. The fact that I put the book down for long periods of time before dutifully picking it up again may be partly responsible for this.

The Robin Hood theme, gutsy young outlaw rebelling against a restrictive regime, is a tried and true one, but so far it's not working for me. Maybe it's because Trent has done so well for himself, and lives so comfortably off of his ill-gotten gains. Is this my inner Puritan coming out?

 

[dsmith]

I only made it about half-way through this book, and just couldn't force myself to read any more.I couldn't get into the story, and didn't care for the characters. I have the book for next month- hopefully I'll make it through that one so I can add to the discussion.

 

[Teresa Edgerton]

I wonder if the author meant for his characters to be so emotionally disabled to show the differences in society since unification

If this was indeed his reasoning (and it sounds very plausible), I think it demonstrates a very good point: even if something in a book does what it's intended to do, it may not work, because it spoils the reading experience in other ways.

So why, if none of us here (a group with widely diverse tastes to be sure) are exactly enthusiastic about this book -- reactions varying from mildly favorable, through lukewarm, to reluctant to read another page -- was it so highly praised?

Could it be that back in 1989 readers were so enthralled by Moran's vision of future technology that they were willing to overlook any shortcomings in the plot and characters -- but now that the novelty of some of his ideas has worn off there is less to hold a reader's interest? Also, with the characters, I felt that I was expected to like them on the basis of the coolness factor alone. But that's the sort of thing that loses its novelty even faster.

Sometimes, when a book is particularly in tune with the mindset of its time, it doesn't age very well. Could that be the problem here?

 

[BookStop]

I am tempted to read another of the books to see if the emotionless theme is carried throughout.(Parson - you've read Emerald Eyes, saying you identify with the characters more. Why?) Even with all the problems identifying with the characters, I did enjoy the book, although I won't be putting it at the top of my must read list or anything.

I asked my husband what he thought of our critiques of the characterization (or lack thereof) in this one, and while he maintains The Long Run is one of the best sci-fi books ever, he does agree with pretty much everything we have been saying.

I haven't read so much in the science fiction genre as to be spoiled by the technology yet, and did enjoy the futuristic descriptions quite a bit. I do wonder if our lack of enthusiasim might have anythinig to do with sex of the reader. My husband sees the book's faults, but is able to look past them a lot easier than I am. Who all here is male? (I can't always tell by avatar obviously, I mean, I'm not a cat...) Could it be a guy/girl thing?

 

[Teresa Edgerton]

It could be a gender thing -- I, obviously, am female -- on the other hand, it could just be a matter of personal taste, since we're all more inclined to forgive a book's failings if it has plenty of whatever it is that we like the most. In your husband's case, the book may deliver so much of what he looks for in a story, the rest may not matter so much.

But it might spur the conversation if you could ask him what it is about the book that he admires so much. (It might also give those of us still slogging through something to look for and think about.)

 

[Carolyn Hill]

Could it be that back in 1989 readers were so enthralled by Moran's vision of future technology that they were willing to overlook any shortcomings in the plot and characters -- but now that the novelty of some of his ideas has worn off there is less to hold a reader's interest? Also, with the characters, I felt that I was expected to like them on the basis of the coolness factor alone. But that's the sort of thing that loses its novelty even faster.

I think you've hit the nail on the head, Teresa. Definitely, Trent is supposed to be cool, and that is supposed to be a likeable characteristic in and of itself. And 1989 was close enough to the publication of Gibson's Neuromancer (1984) that Moran's cyberfuture vision would still have special cache.

I also think that the novel imitates the chase structure of blow-'em-up movies, which is exciting for certain readers.

 

[Parson]

I am tempted to read another of the books to see if the emotionless theme is carried throughout.(Parson - you've read Emerald Eyes, saying you identify with the characters more. Why?) Even with all the problems identifying with the characters, I did enjoy the book, although I won't be putting it at the top of my must read list or anything.

I asked my husband what he thought of our critiques of the characterization (or lack thereof) in this one, and while he maintains The Long Run is one of the best sci-fi books ever, he does agree with pretty much everything we have been saying.

I haven't read so much in the science fiction genre as to be spoiled by the technology yet, and did enjoy the futuristic descriptions quite a bit. I do wonder if our lack of enthusiasim might have anythinig to do with sex of the reader. My husband sees the book's faults, but is able to look past them a lot easier than I am. Who all here is male? (I can't always tell by avatar obviously, I mean, I'm not a cat...) Could it be a guy/girl thing?

This is a good question. I think Emerald Eyes was much the more enjoyable novel for me because as I said I identified much more with Carl Castanaveras then I ever did with Trent Castanaveras. But why is that? I think it has something to do with the internal struggle that Carl Castanaveras is going through. He is troubled by what's happening in his world and to him and those for whom he cares/loves. And he is forced to make some hard and troubling decisions. Life's like that. He has those who love him and those who hate and are scared by him, but he holds all of them at a distance. Frustrating but it makes for a kind of inner tension in him, and you want to see how it will be resolved. The truth is the ending there was so much more believable than "The Long Run." There is great sadness, and yet a ray of hope. (Trent and his sister have been spared. What will become of them?) Also in Emerald Eyes there is the occiasional look in from someone in the far distant future, who has an obvious stake in what's going on, but we lack details enough to really even know if these are the "good guys" or the "bad guys." And much more about the genetically altered cats, which I also found interesting.

As for the Male/Female thing, I believe it's there. I know that my wife and I have very different tastes in things. For example I thought Titantic was a pretty good 30 min. TV program made into an interminable relationship story. My wife, predicatably, loved it. But I don't know that this card can be played here. I do not identify nearly well enough with Trent, or any other character for that matter to make them matter to me. Also I am sure that you can play the male/female card too strongly too. My favorite character in all of science fiction is Honor Harrington. And another of my favorites is Miles Varsakians, (spelling?) mother, Cordelia. While Miles, obviously a sexy male, I find a lot like Trent in this book, cardboard and predictable. My all time favorite book of BuJold is "Shards of Honor" with the next "Falling Free." So going from my own experience, I think that "The Long Run" is simply flawed outside of the usual sexual identification differences.

 

[jenna]

So, my sister never did forward on my mail (bloody taurus with an aries rising. grrrr. she's impossible!) I do have it waiting for me when I get back, and I will read and comment even though everyone else will have well and truly left the party!

 

[BookStop]

We may have left the party, but we are still calling back to check on the kids

I hope you do get to read it, with all it's faults I still liked it very much.

 

[BookStop]

Oh wow - I just read my last post - man do I sound like an ar.....when I so didn't mean to. Sorry.

Jenna, did you read it yet?

 

[jenna]

I am about half way through, and I am finding it very easy going. My only chance to read at the moment is on the train to and from work, and I find myself willing my stop to be further and further away so I can keep on reading, just as I did with the Sara Douglass book. I find the intricate detail of The Long Run fascinating, and I am actually a fan of Trent. I find him to be interesting, and although not the most complex character I've ever come across I still care what happens to him. Perhaps it is knowing that he is bound for greatness and being able to witness the journey there. Reminds me a bit of the Space Tyrant series by Piers Anthony. I don't think it will take me long to finish this book, I will probably polish it off in the next few days. Hope I don't miss my train station while doing it though!

 

[jenna]

I finished The Long Run today, and I have to say I LOVED this book! What a great read! The story line was great fun and I loved Trent. I still think the most impressive thing about the book was the detail involved. The author really managed to create a believable future earth, and I definitely felt transported there. I will most definitely be reading the other Continuing Time books when I can get my hands on them.

 

[BookStop]

They are a little hard to find, but of course, you know that as you had trouble getting this one. I'm glad you like the book too. I had many issues with the book(see prev posts), but it's been my favorite bookclub book that we've read so far. I may pick up the other books too, and give them a try.

 

[jenna]

The book club has really worked out for me so far, I loved all of the first 3 books! Shame I am having major budget problems at the moment so haven't been able to participate in the April book. (I've just recently gone from a higher paying job that I absolutely despised to a lower paying one that I love. So I'm infinitely happier, but I'm still adjusting to the pay difference..)
I will hopefully be able to join the May discussion, and June should be no problemo.

 

[Old Owl]

indeed i like a good long run