29.04: Daleks in Manhattan

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Dave said:
I'm glad they said they were the last four Daleks, otherwise I would have been as incredulous as the Doctor: "They always survive!" - these would be the Daleks that escaped the attack on Torchwood Canary Wharf.
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RTD said on Confidential that he's aware the Daleks have been to the Empire State Building before (in B&W days) where they met Peter Purvis... he (RTD) likes to think that somehow their memory banks recalled the shape and structure for when they did their "emergency temporal shift" away from Torchwood Tower (the confirmation) and picked a slot in time/space with which they were familiar.
 
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Well I’m with everybody else, this is not Dalek evolution, it’s a step backwards. Poor old Sec can be killed with a sharp knife now!
Also as he only has one eye, loss of depth vision, not that useful for world/universe domination, You can’t judge how to hit any thing .
Daleks should stick (or should I say sink plunger) with what they are best at universe domination
 
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Pretty adaptable sink plunger though: apart from merely being able to turn dials and controls (including numeric keypad types) they can scan intelligence and suck brainwaves. Bring back the whisks, too.
 
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You know something, I really liked this episode up until the last 3 minutes or so. First you've got the Daleks bickering like old ladies at a tea-party, then this weird Dalek-human hybrid, and all I can think is, "The Daleks just aren't scary any more". And that makes me sad. :(
 
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Can't agree more, Little Smaug.

Children (of all ages) know one thing above everything else when it comes to Daleks, even ardent non-fans of the series. And that is what the dialogue of a Dalek consists of. There's only one word... and it isn't negotiate, mediate or compromise. It clarifies the purpose, the viewpoint, the reasoning and method of the Daleks. What happened to "Exterminate!!"?

Yeah, I know this is the remnants from the Cult of Skaro, specifically developed/bred/modified to be different from normal Daleks. They seem to have the ability of imagination, though this also seems to have led to options, alternatives and decision-making. They're almost on the verge of democracy! Perhaps we'd have been better with the "normal" sort gate-crashing the New York theatre scene?
 
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The good thing is, though, the other three Daleks obviously don't agree with what Sec is doing, and so there's probably a good chance that they'll find some other way to breed and build some more 'normal' Daleks... unless the Doctor completely wipes them out in the next episode.

In all truthfulness, though, can anyone actually see it being allowed? Dr. Who is nothing without Daleks.
 
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I am of the opinion that the quality of the show has come in leaps and bounds. Not what I would call a bad episode yet - and hopefully they can keep it up.

In saying that, this episode was not without its minor plot holes. Such as how did not too bright stage-hand Laszlo escape from the Daleks and Pig Slaves when he was half-way through the transformation? One would have thought that he'd be held there, or at least have half an eye kept on him!

Dalec Sec should've seen more Bond films - that way he wouldn't have revealed his entire plan to a room full of people that included The Doctor and Laszlo the pig-man, whom none of the Daleks seemed to notice (we selected a couple of people for the Final Experiment and somehow the group number has doubled, we'll just ignore this!!) and bickering Daleks who you could probably sneak up on without them noticing.

It seems that the Cult of Skaro have let things slip a bit. Fair enough, there's only four of them, but surely that should make them more vigilant instead of in-fighting, losing people and possibly going a bit soft (in the head as well, apparently).

The hybrid might look quite cool, but practically it's a bit silly. Since it has taken on human DNA, wouldn't it have the same vulnerabilities as the Dalek from the episode 'Dalek' which committed suicide after gaining emotion. I agree that the 'evolution' has taken Sec a step backwards to something similar to a pre-Davros era creature. Poke him in the eye with a fork, see how well he does then.

PLEASE NOTE: SEC 2.0 NOT SUITABLE FOR UNIVERSAL DOMINATION. MAY CONTAIN TRACES OF EMOTION. PLEASE WASH SEPERATELY FROM OTHER DALEKS.
 
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One could argue that the fella that Sec joined with has the right qualities to be a Dalek, and not get bogged down with emotions. He's King of the Hill. He orders everyone around, not caring about them. He's looking out for number 1, and no-one else. And he has the ambition.

If he was worrying about the workers getting cold and slipping, then he wouldn't be Dalek material.
 
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Leisha said:
Agree with you 100%! I wasn't impressed by the "new" deleks. The old ones have that ... something. The new one looks like you could slice its head off with a sword and be done with it!

Don't evolve Daleks! No!!! Stick with the pepper pots! :D

Edit: you could always watch again it on Friday on BBC3, Hoopy.
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Reminded me of a certain green friend of ours who's name begins with P and who is very good at the abbreviation game! Do you think they've been peeking in at us and stealing our identities. Who's next you might ask!
 
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SpaceShip said:
Isn't it on again tonight or maybe tomorrow on BBC3?
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You're right. I've checked on the tv listings and it's:

20:00 : Doctor Who
20:45 : Doctor Who Confidential

Sunday 22nd April
 
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SpaceShip said:
Reminded me of a certain green friend of ours who's name begins with P and who is very good at the abbreviation game! Do you think they've been peeking in at us and stealing our identities. Who's next you might ask!
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They'll have dog heads next week! Arghhh! :D
 
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I find the Daleks dull, dull, dull. Such a pity after two excellent Dr Who episodes. I think its time to retire them. Sink plungers no longer work for me!

Val Tyler
 
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They've been losing it a bit since they could fly, for me. Somehow the CGI flying, the CGI massed armies, even the CGI opening up have all weakened the Daleks. Hmmm, was there a pattern there?
 
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PTeppic said:
I know this is the remnants from the Cult of Skaro, specifically developed/bred/modified to be different from normal Daleks. They seem to have the ability of imagination, though this also seems to have led to options, alternatives and decision-making. They're almost on the verge of democracy!
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Dr.Jackson said:
It seems that the Cult of Skaro have let things slip a bit. Fair enough, there's only four of them, but surely that should make them more vigilant instead of in-fighting, losing people and possibly going a bit soft (in the head as well, apparently).
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I watched this again and what I missed the first time was that the Emperor Dalek had assigned the Cult of Skaro the mission to find new ways to reproduce themselves. So these are not your average, normal Daleks. These are geeky, nerdy Daleks. They probably aren't the best Daleks to reproduce a new Dalek race from, but they are all that are left. That might explain why they are acting strangely anyway.

On the subject of plot-holey things, the only thing that I found odd was the huge sewer manhole backstage of the theatre. I just couldn't understand why it would be there other than to serve the storyline.
 
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You mean you don't have an ominously large man-hole in your basement...?
 
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Wish I did, I love places like that.

No really.
 
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Dave said:
These are geeky, nerdy Daleks.
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Fantastic!

"You-Believe-Next-Generation-Inferior-To-Deep-Space-Nine? Exterminate! Exterminate!"

I've been enjoying series three up till now, but this episode felt hugely streched out, like butter over too much bread (JRR Tolkien TM) and you could tell where it was going within the first 10 minuits. The Dalek hybrid is a bit daft. It's like trading the protection and firepower of a Panzer tank for running around in a Fiat Punto. I'm amazed that the Dalek's didn't simply exterminate Martha when she "demanded" to know what thier plan was. Also, the Doctor isn't exactly hard to spot in the huddle of prisoners, so the Daleks are clearly going blind. And although the Doctor is has millions of species to keep track of, I'm certain that anything Dalek-y would be burned deep into his instincts.
Oh well.
It had dancing showgirls and that made me happy.

I do hope that the second episode has a bit more content, a less obvious plot and less filler.
 
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What is particularly odd is what it was that the Doctor found that needed analysing. It was a piece of green gloop - it's hardly a part of a living Dalek so must be some part of an experiment: so how come it's halfway down a tunnel. A little too convenient. They must have been running short on finding him a way of working out it was his favourite nemeses.
 
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