Is it possible that Rhaegar and Lyanna married before they died?

etburyan said:
1. Do Targaryens have strong genetics. It seems that their hair and such is pretty defining

2. Jon is only described as looking like a stark

3. If Stark genes were strong, then why did Ned's children look like Cat?
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re: 1. The "strong" Targaryen genetics are due to vast multitudes of generational incest. So the distinctive silver hair and violet eyes are because of inbreeding, not necessarily because they have a strong genetic component. Also, of Elia and Rhaegar's children, Rhaenys and Aegon, Rhaenys resembled Elia/the Martells and Aegon resembled Rhaegar/the Targaryens. So, just as in our world, genetics are far too complicated for one gene to always win out over another. It's really the luck of the draw.

re: 2/3. Arya and Jon are said to strongly resemble Lyanna so they look more like Starks than Tullys...

I think the reason you are confused about the genetics is because of the Robert Baratheon/Cersei Lannister storyline where all of Robert and Cersei's children resemble her when, by all historical accounts, they should mostly resemble him ... she did, in fact, give birth to a Baratheon child who resembled Robert (dark hair) but that child did not live (*cough* fillicide *cough*).

I realize this post is quite dated but I felt the need to chime in. So there. :)

"The Seed is Strong!"
 
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I like to pretend that there is an obscure law stating that if the wife of the King or the wife of the King's heir should prove infertile then the husband may legally take a second wife AND that there is a small Sept somewhere just south of the Kings Wood with a record of a marriage between a Rheagar Targarean and Lyanna Stark. Completely non canonical but fun nonetheless :)
 
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I FIRMLY believe Rhaegar and Lyanna were married and Jon is a legitimate son. As I explained here, the clues come from one of the dreams Theon has while he's holding Winterfell.

The part about Lyanna is what really caught my interest though. Her relationship with Rhaegar has always been signified by the blue rose. She's wearing a crown of roses, which tells me the crown ties her to Rhaegar, and Rhaegar being a prince must only mean she is a princess. And she's wearing a white gown spattered in gore. The gore must surely be her blood from the childbirth that killed her, and the white gown together with the crown tells me she and Rhaegar were in fact married.

I'm beginning to think that Robert knew Rhaegar wed Lyanna, and that he flat made up the story about her being raped. Does any other character contend that she was raped? No, only Robert as far as I recall. Every other character's account says simply that Lyanna disappeared with Rhaegar.

I think this is further strengthened by the fact that everything else seen in Theon's dream here are things that are known to be true and occurred in the past (the vision of Robb being the last and the only thing that hasn't happened yet). So if every death Theon sees in this vision, and the associated symbolism, is a known fact, the detail of Lyanna's dress and crown cannot be ignored and must be accepted as fact....that she died in a white dress wearing a crown. I think she died as Rhaegar's bride.​
 
Robert had to make himself believe that Rhaegar was such a bad guy so that is why he persists with the rape claims. Else, he would have to accept the fact that Lyanna simply wasn't into him, but into Rhaegar and I don't think his ego can stand that.
 
I've always assumed that the rape story was bogus, and that they probably got married somewhere along the way. It wouldn't be hard to find a septon in that part of the world.
 
I've always felt the rape story was a product of Roberts imagination at best, a flat out lie at worst. Lyanna was certainly with Raegar by choice and hey could certainly have been married at some point, the Targs where know to have more than one wife as a rule. The fact that she was still wearing a white dress when she died could mean they had only just married when she gave birth. One thing I am completely sure of it that Jon is their son: he is ice and Fire in the flesh.
 
Ned encouraging Jon to take up the black and promising him to reveal the truth about his mother AFTER he's a sworn brother of the Night's Watch is a big clue.

Jon's true lineage would no longer make him a threat to King Robert's throne, just like Maester Aemon, because a sworn brother can't hold titles or claim any.
 
juleska said:
I FIRMLY believe Rhaegar and Lyanna were married and Jon is a legitimate son. As I explained here, the clues come from one of the dreams Theon has while he's holding Winterfell.

The part about Lyanna is what really caught my interest though. Her relationship with Rhaegar has always been signified by the blue rose. She's wearing a crown of roses, which tells me the crown ties her to Rhaegar, and Rhaegar being a prince must only mean she is a princess. And she's wearing a white gown spattered in gore. The gore must surely be her blood from the childbirth that killed her, and the white gown together with the crown tells me she and Rhaegar were in fact married.

I'm beginning to think that Robert knew Rhaegar wed Lyanna, and that he flat made up the story about her being raped. Does any other character contend that she was raped? No, only Robert as far as I recall. Every other character's account says simply that Lyanna disappeared with Rhaegar.

I think this is further strengthened by the fact that everything else seen in Theon's dream here are things that are known to be true and occurred in the past (the vision of Robb being the last and the only thing that hasn't happened yet). So if every death Theon sees in this vision, and the associated symbolism, is a known fact, the detail of Lyanna's dress and crown cannot be ignored and must be accepted as fact....that she died in a white dress wearing a crown. I think she died as Rhaegar's bride.​
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There is additional evidence. Three of the Kingsguard remained at the Tower of Joy despite their king, their queen, two of their princes and their princess, plus the prince's two children and his wife needing to be guarded. Committing three Kingsguard to defend the prince's concubine and his illegitimate child is serious overkill. They even admit that Darry, although a good man, is not of the Kingsguard and can't be expected to guard Viserys and Daenerys like they can. Committing three Kingsguard to guarding the prince's secret wife and legitimate heir makes a heck of a lot more sense.
 
Young stormlord said:
Have you ever thought that Martin might read our posts? I like to imagine him reading one of crackpot theories and thinking "Wow this theory could really work. This guy put some really good evidences and mind into it." .Then two days after that thought, he sees one of Aegons posts and thinks "Damn this guy just blowed up this theory with just common sense but if I put some more references in my next book it might be still work".
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Why do you think he takes years to write them? He would have knocked them off in a year each if he hadn't read people's theories and changed his story.
 
Nope. People were going up to George and saying, "So, Aegon's alive then, huh?" after A Clash of Kings came out and he didn't change that storyline when he had thirteen years to do so. George deliberately doesn't read the fan boards for this exact reason.
 
Narkalui said:
How did people know that Aegon was alive after Clash of Kings? Did I miss something?
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The House of the Undying was a pretty big clue. Rhaegar saying that Aegon was the Prince Who Was Promised and that his was "The Song of Ice and Fire", followed by Daenerys seeing a "mummer's dragon" in the future. People guessed it at the time and then it got a lot more popular after the Red Wedding happened, as that was also heavily foreshadowed in the same sequence.
 
The TV show has now resurrected this thread. Not me.

I'm quite sure that this is one part of the show which will be in the books. But I don't think Rheagar will have needed to annul his marriage to Elia and I think he would have married Lyanna beneath a Heart Tree.

Frankly, I think Rheagar had come to be an Old Gods convert due to his research into the Long Night.
 
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