Okay, so I've been reading the threads and I have rewatched episodes of Doctor Who, including "The End of the Word", "New Earth" and "Gridlock", along with some episodes of Torchwood. And from what I can gather it is likely that Jack Harkness could be the Face of Boe due to many circumstances discussed in "The End of the World", "New Earth", and "Gridlock."
During "The End of the World" the artistic event of watching the Earth burn during the expansion of the sun was said by the Steward that the event was sponsered by the Face of Boe, my question is why would a micellaneous alien lifeform sponser an event about the Earth. This lays the possible frame work of RTD knowing about the Face's and Jack's possible connection from the start.
At the end of "New Earth" the doctor goes back to talk to the Face of Boe, and the Face first starts to speak to the Doctor and Rose (who was still inhabited by Cassandra) using telepathy, of which in episodes of Torchwood, Jark Harkness has developed a limited degree of telepathy since he became immortal (e.g. Rose bringing him back to life in "The Parting of Ways").
Next the Face says how he has grown tired of the universe, but the Doctor has taught him to look at it anew. Throughout the first series with the Ninth Doctor, Jack says during the "Parting of Ways" that he was better off as a coward, but the Doctor taught him to stand up for what is right. Also in the episode "The Sound of Drums" the Master when talking on the phone to the Doctor, tells him how the Doctor is the man who "makes people better." Also with every companion the Doctor has changed their outlooks on life, and the Face of Boe sees the universe anew from the Doctor.
The Doctor then says to the Face in "New Earth" that there are legends saying that the Face is millions of years old. The Face simply replies by saying that would be impossible. Later in series 3 in the episode "Utopia" (i think) The Doctor calls Jack an Impossible thing. Also throughout the series the Doctor has discussed how he likes impossible. Just another connection.
Finally, during "New Earth" the Doctor talks to the Face about the secret (e.g. "Gridlock" being told that he is not alone) and the Face says that he and the Doctor will meet for a third and last time, my next questions are, how would the Face know for a fact that he and the doctor would meet again, and how would the Face know that the Doctor, who has recently regenerated was actually the Doctor. A possible answer to these questions are that The Face of Boe is actually Jack Harkness.
During the episode "Gridlock" Once Martha Jones and the Doctor arrive on New Earth again, their is a small clip of the Face of Boe and Novie Hane, he tells her that the Doctor has arrived and that she should find him before it is too late. Once Novice Hane finds the Doctor and brings him to the senate building. The Face had wired himself into the mainframe to support the undercity, giving his life for them. This in turn ends the Face of Boe's life. When Martha returns from the undercity she asks who is he, the doctor in turn replies that he doesnt even really know. The Face of Boe calls the Doctor, "an old friend" (however this was revealed to be a line inserted by RTD during the production of the episode at the last minute) Next, the Face says he has seen too much, and that he and the Doctor are the last of their kind, however he then speaks the secret to the Doctor that "[he is] not alone" This of course refering to the Master being alive in the year Three Hundred Trillion. However, how could the Face of Boe know for a fact that the Master existed somewhere in time without the Doctor even knowing. This possibly implies how Captain Jack (who heard Martha mention the Face in front of the Doctor) figured out that he might be the Face someday, (since during the book "Monsters and Villains" Jack says how he saw someone dressed up as "The Face of Boe" revealing that he at least knows of what the actual Face of Boe is. Of course this is probably from knowlegde of living in the 51st century, in which the Face may have been a prominent figure in society then.) This possible realization of Jack being The Face may have lead to The Face knowing when the Doctor would arrive to meet him as the Face and to keep time lines consistant he never told the Doctor who he really was.
And of course we all know about how Captain Jack says that he used to be the poster boy for the Time Agency, "The Face of Boe they called me." This possibly alluds to Captain Jack, the Immortal Time Traveller from the 51st century being the actual "Face of Boe."
According to the tie in book "Monsters and Villains" the Face had 6 children during the 2001st century that lived for 40 years each, the average lifespan. This shows how the Face of Boe lives abnormally long for his species, and as a possible humanoid Time agent at the beginning of the series Jack Harkness was at least 34 years old. after he became immortal in "The Parting of Ways" he said in "Utopia" he "bounced" using his time agent gear and ended up at the end of the 19th century. Lets say roughly 1880. Jack then lived from 1880 to 2007 until he re-found the Doctor in "Utopia" That already makes Jack approximately 160 years old, give or take a decade. Then during the Torchwood episode "Exit Wounds" Jack is taken back to Cardiff in 27 A.D. by Captain John and Jack's brother Gray. He lives through all of that up till 2008 when he is released from his cryogenic state (due to being placed into that under his own free will by 19th Century Torchwood) making Captain Jack possibly about 2143 years old. However since cryogenics froze him his body never aged so he'd be more around the lines 2018 years old. This longevity in his lifespan adds to how the Face of Boe could live so much longer than his actual species could. And with the Face of Boe being around in the year 5 billion and 23 (Year given in "New Earth") that means that the face of Boe could truely be billions of years old.
All of that of course is just what I picked up from watching the series once agian of tv when i was bored. And I know that was a bit long, but that is what I found to be the connections between Jack and the Face of Boe.
During "The End of the World" the artistic event of watching the Earth burn during the expansion of the sun was said by the Steward that the event was sponsered by the Face of Boe, my question is why would a micellaneous alien lifeform sponser an event about the Earth. This lays the possible frame work of RTD knowing about the Face's and Jack's possible connection from the start.
At the end of "New Earth" the doctor goes back to talk to the Face of Boe, and the Face first starts to speak to the Doctor and Rose (who was still inhabited by Cassandra) using telepathy, of which in episodes of Torchwood, Jark Harkness has developed a limited degree of telepathy since he became immortal (e.g. Rose bringing him back to life in "The Parting of Ways").
Next the Face says how he has grown tired of the universe, but the Doctor has taught him to look at it anew. Throughout the first series with the Ninth Doctor, Jack says during the "Parting of Ways" that he was better off as a coward, but the Doctor taught him to stand up for what is right. Also in the episode "The Sound of Drums" the Master when talking on the phone to the Doctor, tells him how the Doctor is the man who "makes people better." Also with every companion the Doctor has changed their outlooks on life, and the Face of Boe sees the universe anew from the Doctor.
The Doctor then says to the Face in "New Earth" that there are legends saying that the Face is millions of years old. The Face simply replies by saying that would be impossible. Later in series 3 in the episode "Utopia" (i think) The Doctor calls Jack an Impossible thing. Also throughout the series the Doctor has discussed how he likes impossible. Just another connection.
Finally, during "New Earth" the Doctor talks to the Face about the secret (e.g. "Gridlock" being told that he is not alone) and the Face says that he and the Doctor will meet for a third and last time, my next questions are, how would the Face know for a fact that he and the doctor would meet again, and how would the Face know that the Doctor, who has recently regenerated was actually the Doctor. A possible answer to these questions are that The Face of Boe is actually Jack Harkness.
During the episode "Gridlock" Once Martha Jones and the Doctor arrive on New Earth again, their is a small clip of the Face of Boe and Novie Hane, he tells her that the Doctor has arrived and that she should find him before it is too late. Once Novice Hane finds the Doctor and brings him to the senate building. The Face had wired himself into the mainframe to support the undercity, giving his life for them. This in turn ends the Face of Boe's life. When Martha returns from the undercity she asks who is he, the doctor in turn replies that he doesnt even really know. The Face of Boe calls the Doctor, "an old friend" (however this was revealed to be a line inserted by RTD during the production of the episode at the last minute) Next, the Face says he has seen too much, and that he and the Doctor are the last of their kind, however he then speaks the secret to the Doctor that "[he is] not alone" This of course refering to the Master being alive in the year Three Hundred Trillion. However, how could the Face of Boe know for a fact that the Master existed somewhere in time without the Doctor even knowing. This possibly implies how Captain Jack (who heard Martha mention the Face in front of the Doctor) figured out that he might be the Face someday, (since during the book "Monsters and Villains" Jack says how he saw someone dressed up as "The Face of Boe" revealing that he at least knows of what the actual Face of Boe is. Of course this is probably from knowlegde of living in the 51st century, in which the Face may have been a prominent figure in society then.) This possible realization of Jack being The Face may have lead to The Face knowing when the Doctor would arrive to meet him as the Face and to keep time lines consistant he never told the Doctor who he really was.
And of course we all know about how Captain Jack says that he used to be the poster boy for the Time Agency, "The Face of Boe they called me." This possibly alluds to Captain Jack, the Immortal Time Traveller from the 51st century being the actual "Face of Boe."
According to the tie in book "Monsters and Villains" the Face had 6 children during the 2001st century that lived for 40 years each, the average lifespan. This shows how the Face of Boe lives abnormally long for his species, and as a possible humanoid Time agent at the beginning of the series Jack Harkness was at least 34 years old. after he became immortal in "The Parting of Ways" he said in "Utopia" he "bounced" using his time agent gear and ended up at the end of the 19th century. Lets say roughly 1880. Jack then lived from 1880 to 2007 until he re-found the Doctor in "Utopia" That already makes Jack approximately 160 years old, give or take a decade. Then during the Torchwood episode "Exit Wounds" Jack is taken back to Cardiff in 27 A.D. by Captain John and Jack's brother Gray. He lives through all of that up till 2008 when he is released from his cryogenic state (due to being placed into that under his own free will by 19th Century Torchwood) making Captain Jack possibly about 2143 years old. However since cryogenics froze him his body never aged so he'd be more around the lines 2018 years old. This longevity in his lifespan adds to how the Face of Boe could live so much longer than his actual species could. And with the Face of Boe being around in the year 5 billion and 23 (Year given in "New Earth") that means that the face of Boe could truely be billions of years old.
All of that of course is just what I picked up from watching the series once agian of tv when i was bored. And I know that was a bit long, but that is what I found to be the connections between Jack and the Face of Boe.
