The tyrell's strength

[Lord_of_the_morning]

Hey i am new and i thought i would jsut say some things on my mind since i have only a few people in my area that read this book...but anyways....

I ahve been thinking..Does anybody know the strength of the tyrell's bannister's..Because I have notcied that they didn't do much dying lol...and i think that they have wuite a force to be reckoned with...any guesses on to how much strength they actually have

 

[Lord_of_the_morning]

sorry for my typing errors i am quite tired ha

 

[Boaz]

Lotm, Welcome.

Does anybody know the strength of the tyrell's bannister's... Because I have notcied that they didn't do much dying

Very interesting topic. We've not seen any POV's from Highgarden so it's a bit hard to gauge the strength of the Tyrell's bannisters compared to the bannisters in King's Landing, Winterfell, the Twins, Harrenhal, Riverrun, the Eyrie, and Dorne.

Balustrade or bannister (sometimes spelled banister) walking and sliding is a common occurance among adventerous children. Yes, and if you're not careful you can die from a mishap.

As with our world I'd guess that bannister sliding is a favorite past time among children in Westeros. I seem to recall Arya balancing and walking the bannister's of the Red Keep... she's very small and skinny so those bannister's are at least strong enough for a small child.

As with Arya, Bran climbed on everything in Winterfell. My guess is that the bannister's in the Stark's home is strong enough to support energetic kids.

From the Bran and Catelyn chapters it seems that the children of the Twins don't play on bannisters... they prefer playing Lord of the Crossing.

I suspect the bannisters of Harrenhal are either burnt or rotted out. Remember when Chiswyck fell? Harrenhal's bannisters did not help him one bit.

Regarding the bannisters in question, I think that Mace is too fat to slide down the bannisters of Highgarden... it would take incredibly strong bannisters to support him. Maybe the bannisters of Highgarden are strong enough...

The important thing to remember when sliding down a bannister or balustrade is to stop or jump off before you hit the post. Hitting a post while going feet first (either on your stomach or your back) will hurt tremendously. I'm thinking what if Loras and Margaery both had accidents in their childhoods, then this could explain Margaery's current conflict with the Sparrows and Loras' undying loyalty to Renly.

 

[Lord_of_the_morning]

ha i am sorry if i made it seem like i was talking about the bannister's liek the window bannisters but i was talking about.....the bannisters that came to them when war was upon them...Like the minor lord's and there troops...ha i meant to talk about the strenght of arms....I am sorry i have heard references of bannister's(as in being minor lord bannister's and there troop's) all of my life from fantasy books so i somtimes confuse people..But i am realyl talking about troop number's....Again sorry for the misunderstanding in teh word's

 

[Culhwch]

Don't mind Boaz. He's just... well, Boaz.

I've not come across the term 'bannisters' before. Whereabouts have you seen this - I'm thinking maybe not English-language editions? The closest I can come up with is 'bannermen'.

 

[Lord_of_the_morning]

I heard this and saw this on a ccg a game of thrones it is called raise the bannister....I read something about medeveil england that when there was war between to feuding lord's or something that they called there bannister's it means that in there hall they set bannister's up on the great hall wall...and whenever a minor lord or something comes to join them then they take that bannister down and put it on the battlement's to show that they have support from that lord..I know i could have expressed troops in a much simpler word...but i didn't and i am sorry for that

 

[Culhwch]

No need to be sorry. Just genuine curiosity on my part. I thought you may be confusing 'banner' with 'bannister', but trust me - I'm just as likely wrong. It doesn't happen often, but... no, wait, it happens all the time. My mistake.

 

[Lord_of_the_morning]

haha...Yeah i could have totally made this alot easier thn i made it lol...but at least we got a lil leason on history out of it haha lol...I am a huge history buff....but anywayz...to the original quetion does anybody know the strength to which the tyrell's can muster troops??

 

[Culhwch]

I'm sure I've seen an estimate somewhere, but whether it was on these forums or elsewhere I couldn't say. Perhaps westeros.org might have the answer. Otherwise someone who actually knows what they are talking about, like Raven or Wert, may happen along and blind us with their wisdom...

 

[Lord_of_the_morning]

ahh ic ic ...but did u realize that i don't think they lost any soldiers at all during the war of the five kings....and i am pretty sure that they have a vast hosy anyway....so i think that anybody going against them is pretty much screwed..haha lol

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Honestly it doesnt matter how many men they can put in the field at this point. They seem to be the only noble house capable of waging a sustained offensive campaign at this point because theyre the only ones with food.

"An army marches on its stomach"...guess that makes em gastropods......

Anyhow with the Riverlands barren, the Lannisters supplies depleted, Dorne and the North lacking much quality farmland in the best of times it would seem to me if a long-term strategy was built around a supply train they could do very well indeed....

 

[Werthead]

The Tyrells can muster approximately 80,000 troops and sustain them in the field for a reasonable amount of time (several months at least). They could probably raise another 20,000+ if they didn't mind endangering the harvest.

The combined Highgarden-Storm's End army in ACoK was approximately 100,000 troops. The Stormland contingent was far smaller and, as confirmed by GRRM, is actually the smallest army of the mainland powers (although this was before he decided on Dorne's apparent strength being a PR stunt in AFFC).

The Highgarden forces haven't seen many losses yet. Their assault on Stannis' rear in ACoK triggered a rout apparently without too much trouble and Randyll Tarly destroyed the northern army at Duskendale without much fuss. Their siege of Storm's End seems to have been fairly quiet as well. The ironborn raids along the coast of the Reach have killed a lot of civilians but the main Highgarden forces seem intact. The only place where the Tyrells may have sustained heavy casualties was in the assault on Dragonstone, and IIRC that was a combined Tyrell/Lannister army rather than just the Tyrells by themselves.

The Tyrells are the most militarily powerful army in terms of numbers, but the Lannister armies tend to be better equipped due to their superior wealth. IIRC and based on the guesstimates in the ASoIaF RPG, the list goes:

Tyrell: 80,000-100,000+ (light casualties)
Lannister: 40,000 (bloodied by the war, but not fatally)
Stark: 40,000 (scattered, but not destroyed; maybe only half this force actually mustered in the War of the Five Kings though)
Tully: 40,000 (badly mauled and scattered in the war)
Arryn: 30,000-40,000 (untouched)
Dorne: 20,000-30,000 (untouched)
Baratheon: 20,000 (some losses)
Ironborn: 10,000-15,000 soldiers but many more sailors (minor losses)

 

[Boaz]

Wert, you and I must be the only ones who own the RPG book.

Egg, when I turn bannister into Renly bashing, either I'm losing it or you no longer have a sense of humor.

 

[Lord_of_the_morning]

thanks you...i was jsut wondering because...my friends have a theory about highgarden that i will bring up a i later

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Sorry Boaz...I was posting in a hurry. You can tell cause I only made one joke (not saying it was funny but you guys arent exactly getting my A material).

And LotM, you have struck a pet peeve...we all have them. You dont have a theory Im afraid. A theory is an idea supported by evidence that is not able to be disproven. You likely have an idea or hypothesis.

I had absolutely no idea the Tyrells had that many men. Omg...thats a freaking lot. Ive been inured to large numbers, most modern engagements involve hundreds of troops not thousands.

So the Tyrells have the best infrastructure, most troops, and best sustainment capablilities of any house in Westeros....wow....

 

[Koopa]

Huh aegon, i though u would have already know this, i mean, if i'm not mistaken, isn't it mentioned several times in the books that the Tyrells can field the most men, and are the greinstock of westeros.

Either i'm wrong, or u just had a lapse in memory

 

[Werthead]

Indeed. The Tyrells are the most numerous, the Lannisters are the richest and the Starks have the largest territory. Probably the easiest way to sum it up.

 

[Lubbock]

Yup but dont the Tyrells have some problems with the Dornish, some pass they kept fighting over, so if Dorne enters this war then Tyrell will be forced to keep most troops at home to defend the pass, might just be making things up due to many rounds of " A Game of Thrones" the boardgame

 

[Werthead]

Dorne has a much smaller army than anyone previously thought, so I imagine that they won't go to war until Dany and her forces have teamed up with them, or unless the Tyrells suffer catastrophic losses from other sources. At this time the Dornish will not wage a war they cannot win, such as against the combined Lannister/Tyrell army.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Huh aegon, i though u would have already know this, i mean, if i'm not mistaken, isn't it mentioned several times in the books that the Tyrells can field the most men, and are the greinstock of westeros.

Either i'm wrong, or u just had a lapse in memory

Yes I was aware they had the largest standing army left. I was commenting more on the sheer freaking numbers present. I deal with personnel numbers all the time, and was aghast at trying to track a million targets on a battlefield at one time. Thats just crazy.

Regardless though I was adding the thought that their infrastructure was virtually untouched by the war as well. Supply depots, mid-level leaders, command chains, supply contingincies, bureaucrats and what not are still intact and in place. thats a scary combo.

Not making fun of your spelling...but what is greinstock?