Prophecies: TPTWP

[NightStalker]

I could not find threads with this prophecy in the title so I'm starting this one.

I know we've discussed these topics before in Dany, Stannis, Aegon, and the Dragon's heads threads. But I'd like to start with a clean slate here.

The religion of R'hllor points toward the end times when Azor Ahai will be reborn and combat The Other. I don't know the specifics of this prophecy. It seems AA must be just, a king, have a magic sword, and possibly be of the blood of old Valyria.

Aemon, Rhaegar, and now Dany (or maybe not) seem to understand something of a prophecy that says a prince from the Targaryen family (blood of Valyria) will rise up to protect Westeros. The Prince must be born in smoke and salt. Somehow the words Ice and Fire apply to this person.

Are these two prophecies the same? Do they refer to the same person? Does AA=TPTWP?

As for AA, Melisandre has declared Stannis to be him reborn. He is a descendent of old Valyrian blood, albeit heavily watered down. He has a pretty sword. He is a king. He is just.

Regarding TPTWP, since the day that Rhaegar discovered this prophecy the Targaryens who have been interpreted to be TPTWP have been Rhaegar, Aegon, and Dany.

Rhaegar is dead. Aegon seems to be dead. Dany was born on Dragonstone amid a storm, thus her name Stormborn. Surely, Dany was born amid salt, but smoke? I'm not sold on this.

Rhaego was stillborn amid Dany's tears. This asks the question whether the Dothraki prophcy concerning The Stallion Who Mounts The World will fit in with these other two prophecies? I don't know.

Can we look for others born amid smoke and salt who have Valyrian blood?

Could this be interpreted as reborn, as in the rebirth that accompanies the blessing of the Drowned God? Davos seems to have died and been reborn amid smoke and salt, but I don't know that he has any dragon blood. Aemon Greyjoy drowned in salt, but I don't know about the smoke or the Valyrian blood.

I find two people born amid smoke (fire and war) and salt (tears). These are the unnamed children born to Gilly and Dalla.

Gilly gave birth moments prior to the renegades of the Night's Watch murdering and raping her family and plundering her home. There was crying, but did the Crows burn Craster's house? Did Craster have Valyrian blood?

Dalla birthed Mance's son during Stannis assault upon the Wildling host. There was burning and crying. Mance was King-Beyond-the-Wall. As for the child's blood... Dalla and her sister, Val, both have blonde hair... not quite white, but it's a start.

But what about Mance's background? He was supposed to have been a wildling child found orphaned. We do know that Brynden Rivers aka Bloodraven was exiled to the Wall. Could Mance be his *******? We also know that at least one Targaryen King travelled to the Wall. Could Mance's son be a descendent of old Valyria? Is this child the prince of Ice and Fire?

We do know that Sam and Gilly are planning on naming this child after Aemon Targaryen.

Help me out on this one.

Okay, I actually haven't read the rest of the answers so sorry if I repeat something that's already been suggested
Rhaegar Targaryen "kidnapped" Ned's sister and Robert's fiancee, Lyanna, who is said to have been strong-willed with a fiery nature. They fled south together and a several months later(I think) Rhaegar returned north to fight Robert(he died, mores the pity, it seems he was pretty fit )
Robert, Ned and Brandon etc all think she was kidnapped, I don't think she was though. IIRC Ned found her 'lying in a bed of blood' this is cleverly written as at first many people thought she had been wounded somehow. But if she were in a bed of blood it could also be because of problems during childbirth. As she was dying Lyanna whispered, "Promise me Ned"
What if she wanted him to take her child as his own, so as he would be safe from Robert, who hated Targaryens(When Ned mentioned that Elia and Rhaegar's murdered children were "just babes" Robert replied,"I see no babes, only dragonspawn."
It seems odd that Ned should never have mentioned Jon Snow's mother, and when Catelyn asked him about Jon his reaction scared her. He said, "Never ask me about Jon. He is my blood, that is all you need to know."
He never said, "He is my son." but "he is my blood" which would be absolutely true if he were his uncle.
I can't quite remember but I seem to recall Maester Aemon left Jon a book, perhaps it is the same book Prince Rhaegar read when he was a boy, after which he decided he needed to become a knight instead of a musician.

Just my thoughts, I'll leave you to dwell upon them

 

[NightStalker]

How much time passed between finding those direwolf puppies until Sam's arriving to Oldtown? How many days, months,a year maybe? Fact is, time was short, but so many events happened during this short time. My point is - G.R.R.M. is working with very tight time limit. There is no time leaps forward and there will be no time leaps forward. G.R.R.M. will never show as Dany as eighteen years old or Jon with a grey beard. And he will never give those babies 33 years to grow up and save the world and mankind. How long the winter will be? When becomes spring? I must admit I never understand time passing in Westeros completely. But I believe that in the end of the last book Jon (if he stays alive) will be no older than 15 -16 years old youth as he is and those babies will be no more older than a year and all what they gonna do is sucking breast, screaming, sleeping, peeing and ******** in their diapers.

Jon is already 16-17 years old (at the end of AFfC) and the story began when he was 14. That's 4 books for over two years. There's at least 3 more books to come and if time carries on as it is and Jon lives it out till the end then he may be 20 or more. G.R.R.M does as he will, and he can make time go as fast or as slow as he wants.