Will pug and thomas die?

I actually liked Aruthas death. Too many people seem to think heroes should die in battle... I don't see why. We now know Arutha lived to an old age, served the kingdom well and had a good life. What more do you want for your favourate character?

Tomas is underused, but he might be coming more into action with the new race qwhatsits.

For me Pug won't die at the end. There is too much opportunity for a sequel incase ReF ever decides he wants more cash. Plus with the prophecy if he were to die then Tomas, Magnus, Caleb, Miaranda and a few others would have to be killed off prior to that... thats quite a culling of major characters
 
Yeah I don't like the whole heroes die with their boots on.

Well Miranda can go free of charge and Magnus as well.
Perhaps Magic in Midkemia will end, hence Magicians end!?
 
'Magician's end' does sound a bit suspicious doesn't it? :D

I feel we may see the introduction of new characters soon that may turn the tide against Pug or for him. I still see the 'dead' characters we all know and love resurrected somehow at the end, mark my words :)
 
This thread should be Classified under SPOILERS ALERT.
 
Probably, my friend most probably.

As to resurection I hate that, (except, perhaps Nakor??) dead people should stay dead.

Hmmmmm
 
It is hard to imagine that the last book will deal with the "end of magic" as such even though a title like Magicians end could mean that. To me Feist
has spent too much effort into making magic seem like a way to "manipulate stuff" as Nakor says at several points. And how should that "end"?

I personally suspect that Pug will die in the final book, as Fake Vencar says, it does provide a neat symmetry. We'll see - I think an equally interesting question is how much torment he will go through before the end...

As for Tomas I doubt very strongly that his death or not will be a big deal. In some ways he's my favorite character (although I readily admit that he is not very well developed and is mostly a "cartoon-y" character throughout :) but he is always kept well on the side in the books.
 
I think Feist fears that Tomas is too powerful even though he seemed to strip him of most of his power at the end of ADaS.

Perhaps when everyone accepts Nakor's theory, they will realise it is all a trick - thus magic no longer exists as such, in an age of enlightenment old beliefs are ridiculed and buried. With such an advancement perchance machines could be crafted to allow less powerful individuals to manipulate 'stuff' more easily - nuclear reactors etc.

More likely I have to admit, Pug will kop something nasty and shuffle of this mortal etc. Still hoping they stick with the bead of misadventure idea though...
 
I've been wondering: Is Tomas immune to poison? There has been no sign that he is in the books so far, so perhaps this is one possible way of killing him outright.

I agree though Woody, Feist is afraid of Tomas' power and I fear this may make him less likely to put him into situations where Tomas would just wipe the floor without a real plot
 
Which is good in a way, characters which are too strong can be a real weakness in fantasy. Jordan had to increase the strength of Rand's foes after he became IMO (No humility with this one) too strong in the story

As to poison, Tomsa is hit by a poisened arrow, in the riftwar I believe, and survives but is ill. So, I guess poisen would kill him but it'd take a lot more than for most other beings. A good an option though, never thought of that!
 
It is hard to imagine that the last book will deal with the "end of magic" as such even though a title like Magicians end could mean that. To me Feist
has spent too much effort into making magic seem like a way to "manipulate stuff" as Nakor says at several points. And how should that "end"?
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Considering that Feist started out writing the Riftwar books as a pre-history to the Midkemia based RPG game they were playing (Magician was set ~500 Midkemia years before the time that their game was set in), and also to explain how Greater-path magic was returned to the campaign setting, I would very much doubt that he would ever write about the "end of magic".
Considering that each new series/rift war seems to introduce a new evil magician, or at least expand on an old enemy, could it be that the magician that comes to an end might be the final villian?
 
After reading RaDL Tomas will be much more involved (and is more involved) which leads me to believe that Pug and Tomas will both die at the end of the Chaoswar saga, it started with them and will end with them.
 
I hope that pug will become a cold emotionless detached do-whatever-he-has-to person. This might sound odd, but if that happened then pug might stop loving hi friends, and they would no longer be doomed to die before him.

Somehow, regardless of the curse i believe that thomas will survive all the riftwars.

Although i wouldn't mind if miranda and magnus died
 
I hope Agralanna dies. That might bring out some of that good old Valheru heritage.
 
Also RaDL hasn't come out here yet, so try to keep any details about it from your posts till after the 31st=P
 
I think Tomas will be killed fighting to protect Elvander at the very end. He'll probably die, side by side with Dolgin and Aglaranna. Pug will arrive just before he dies to say his goodbyes but won't have the ability to heal him. As opposed to killing Pug off, Feist will have him decide to simply leave Midkemia or ascend to a higher plane.

Most likely i'm a million miles wrong though!!!
 
Hmm, Im also thinking Tomas might sacrifice himself for Pug, like they are leaving a plane or something, then something grabs Pug and starts to drag him in, so Tomas jumps in and saves Pug at the cost of his life.

Im probably also wrong, and Ill stick with my 1st theory, he and Pug will die at the very end.
 
@ spazzed = Pug will not become detached from people. Good ol' Lims will have thought of that. If he stops loving, then all the people he 'loved' will have already died, and his life will thus end. And we have 4 books left to go yet!

And resurrection...... hmmmmmmmm...... now that REALLY breaks the rules, doesn't it Kalkin? lol! ;)

And does anyone remember Nakor's religious order? Perhaps they can weave some influence into this tangled web of plot. If I remember right, an old woman seemed to be getting stronger in a cave, waaaaaaay back in Kaspar's original redemption. she even gave him a coin ;) The balance, I am sure, is slowly returning.

And Tomas STILL doesn't have all of his memories!

There is more I could hypothesise, but let's discuss that first!

I think that Pug will die having expended all of his not-so-inconsiderable power in restoring the balance.

But then, why is there MASSIVE amounts of talk about Magnus 'outstripping even pug in power', 'someday being more powerful than his father', 'will soon be the most powerful magician on Midkemia' - according to Nakor, Kalkin is about to break the greatest rule of all. 'You will inherit a burden from your father, and it is a heavy one, but I think you will be up to the task' - hmmmmmm. Don't forget that Magnus has only ever loved once, and was burned from it, and so stays away from that. The subtlety is amazing!
 
Wouldn't it be great, if he did a set of side books specifically about Tomas?
On a side note, i was completely shattered he killed off Nakor. He was probably the best character in the books. I hope he brings him back somehow.
 
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