That would explain the injections...but I still think that Essie has a point, in that the invunerable skin would be noticed by anyone that had one. I cut or scratch myself many times a year...are we to believe they never did?
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That would explain the injections...but I still think that Essie has a point, in that the invunerable skin would be noticed by anyone that had one. I cut or scratch myself many times a year...are we to believe they never did?
How many people notice that, apart from you? And you don't notice it (for there is no event to notice) when you aren't cutting yourself.
I don't know how many people you work with, but could you tell who amongst them hasn't been cut during the last six months, say?
I get your point, Ursa...accidents do happen. But we are expected to believe that the surface persona has no inkling that they are sleepers - a concept that is surely difficult to sustain if you have an unpierceable skin.
But if your body guides you away from doing anything that might reveal that the skin is impenetrable...? Her whole body was a fake; why not her urges and underlying motivations? (And avoiding hazards is natural behaviour; it's just that we humans aren't so good at implementing this policy.)
It feels odd defending Torchwood. The second series must be better than the first!
It feels odd defending Torchwood. The second series must be better than the first!
Not only defending it....but actually discussing points from it in a rational manner, without descending to vulgar abuse of the plot, characters, writing, production values, settings, etc, etc....
Not only defending it....but actually discussing points from it in a rational manner, without descending to vulgar abuse of the plot, characters, writing, production values, settings, etc, etc....
Much more of this and I'll feel dirty or something.
If I was a producer/ director I would want to read what we wrote. Some forums can be quite cruel about TV and films, and you might get a little depressed from reading them, but I think we are usually fairly balanced here.
I'm not convinced on these Sleeper arguments though. I would think that, certainly their husbands/wives, and probably some close friends, would have noticed something odd before.
I'm not convinced on these Sleeper arguments though. I would think that, certainly their husbands/wives, and probably some close friends, would have noticed something odd before.
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Yep me too - combined with the fact that ther're never ill either. You certainly would notice that if you lived with someone.
As for RTD I'm not sure we are his target audience. What would you all think? I'm not sure it is Sci-fi fans though!
As for RTD I'm not sure we are his target audience. What would you all think? I'm not sure it is Sci-fi fans though!
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Would you really notice that someone isn't ill? Many people go years without needing medical help on a larger scale, e.g. infectious illnesses, accidental breakages & burns etc. Beyond that, how many people really would notice if their spouse didn't have things like colds. It would also depend on how long they've been married, which I'm not sure was mentioned. Also (in passing), given it's an RTD show, I'm surprised no-one on the team queried the intimacy of the couple's marriage, if she's got this impermeable layer...
As for why didn't they notice anything odd - why would they. Apart from the illness thing (as above), any quirks the sleepers might have would have been long-term, of not permanent. As such they would just be eccentricities which the partner would long ago have "accepted", if they noticed them.
As for why didn't they notice anything odd - why would they. Apart from the illness thing (as above), any quirks the sleepers might have would have been long-term, of not permanent. As such they would just be eccentricities which the partner would long ago have "accepted", if they noticed them.
Re; intimacy
Given that the barrier was a few nanometres thick (i.e. very thin) and close to the epidermis - or, one assumes, any externally accessible surface, such as that of the buccal cavity (which is what we often call the mouth, in case anyone feels like sniggering) - I don't think it would have been an issue.
Given that the barrier was a few nanometres thick (i.e. very thin) and close to the epidermis - or, one assumes, any externally accessible surface, such as that of the buccal cavity (which is what we often call the mouth, in case anyone feels like sniggering) - I don't think it would have been an issue.
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That's partly what I meant really, I just didn't want to lower the level of the conversation. However, there could be many other opportunities for strange occurrences - partners chopping vegetables, fishing hooks, gardening, DIY. The other couple were middle-aged, you could expect them to have been married say, 20 years. It just seems too much of a suspension of disbelief to me. Possible but highly improbable.
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Just be pleased that it no longer seems to have a similar level of script "integrity" as Primeval.
I have to agree with you - a shame really cos it wasn't a bad idea just not thought out properly.
Not only that, but it seemed unnecessary - it's not as if it actually stopped then being shot, or anything.
That does seem a huge, unintended Nit. I'm sure that an explanation could be found - maybe the impervious layer stops sharp objects at low speeds, but cannot stop high-velocity weapons.
If Torchwood was really some black-ops group, shouldn't these be exactly the questions that Toshiko should be asking? And why did they show Beth, the potential Alien Threat around the Torchwood Base? I see they are still driving around in the 4x4 marked "Torchwood" too.
Another thing, why were they even called out to investigate a violent burglary. They seemed to arrive even before the police had interviewed anyone, and there was no suggestion yet of strange wounds, or anything sinister to the way they had been thrown out of the window. You would expect Torchwood to be given cases later that the police could not solve, like the old series 'Department S', or even 'The X-Files'. Unless they have some kind of 'Bat-Computer' working for them, I don't see how they can turn up at the scene of every crime like they do.
And therefore pointless.
If Torchwood was really some black-ops group, shouldn't these be exactly the questions that Toshiko should be asking? And why did they show Beth, the potential Alien Threat around the Torchwood Base? I see they are still driving around in the 4x4 marked "Torchwood" too.
Another thing, why were they even called out to investigate a violent burglary. They seemed to arrive even before the police had interviewed anyone, and there was no suggestion yet of strange wounds, or anything sinister to the way they had been thrown out of the window. You would expect Torchwood to be given cases later that the police could not solve, like the old series 'Department S', or even 'The X-Files'. Unless they have some kind of 'Bat-Computer' working for them, I don't see how they can turn up at the scene of every crime like they do.
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