Michael Crichton

Sorry, not sure you said "all", I certainly wasn't criticizing what you said. I think that is a common conception of his work.

I think his books are better when he deals with medical and genetic matters; the things that he really knows about. Parts of 'Timeline' and 'Prey' read like a Physics textbook, but the equivalent passages in 'Jurassic Park' and 'The Terminal Man' are a much easier read.
 
Sorry, not sure you said "all", I certainly wasn't criticizing what you said. I think that is a common conception of his work.

Heh... you're right, someone else said it. I think I responded that way because I was essentially thinking it (ie, I might have said it if someone else didn't). Funny the tricks the mind plays on you. But it is an easy assumption to make, considering how much of his body of work reflects those themes.
 
Eaters of the Dead was a retelling Beowolf and proves there is always an exception to every rule.

But for the most part his books follow the same formula.
 
Maybe, in the interest of accuracy we should replace "technology run amok" with "seemingly good (technological) idea with unexpected bad consequences." This more clearly describes Crichton's body of work than, for example, comparing everything to Westworld.

This definition includes Andromeda Strain, for instance, where there was nothing wrong with the technology involved, or the assumptions... but due to an unfortunate coincidence (the makeup of the strain), following their plan to nuke the strain would only have ended up spreading it. It also includes his novels and movies wherein a good technology is purposely misused by an antagonist to take advantage of someone else.
 
'Eaters of the Dead' and 'Rising Sun' - they do not fit that mould, nor does his anti-environmental book which I haven't read and have a problem with.

I lurk more than post around here, but I just can't ignore this. You haven't read it but you have a problem with it? It's "anti-environmental?"

I must conclude you are referring to STATE OF FEAR, and I must also conclude that you are judging it entirely on something you heard from some shrill green activist who hasn't read the book either.

If, rather than assuming things or taking the word of people who espouse an agenda rather than examining truths and reaching educated conclusions, you were to pick up STATE OF FEAR and read it honestly, I think you would be very surprised. I find great irony in the fact that Dr. Crichton's title, which refers to an unprovable scientific dogma and its stranglehold on rational environmental policy would keep people away from reading the book because they are afraid of being "anti-environmental." And if "anti-environmental" means what I think it means--I'm not really sure--then STATE OF FEAR is the wrong book to use as an example.

STATE OF FEAR, when I first read it, became and still remains my favorite book by Dr. Crichton. I highly recommend it for thoughtful readers who are not tempted into guilt, hysteria or alarmism by unproven science.

The book is very well written, brilliantly researched and documented--which irks its critics, I'm sure--executed expertly as a thriller, and overall a perfectly satisfying and intellectual reading experience.
 
I lurk more than post around here, but I just can't ignore this. You haven't read it but you have a problem with it? It's "anti-environmental?"

I must conclude you are referring to STATE OF FEAR, and I must also conclude that you are judging it entirely on something you heard from some shrill green activist who hasn't read the book either.

If, rather than assuming things or taking the word of people who espouse an agenda rather than examining truths and reaching educated conclusions, you were to pick up STATE OF FEAR and read it honestly, I think you would be very surprised. I find great irony in the fact that Dr. Crichton's title, which refers to an unprovable scientific dogma and its stranglehold on rational environmental policy would keep people away from reading the book because they are afraid of being "anti-environmental." And if "anti-environmental" means what I think it means--I'm not really sure--then STATE OF FEAR is the wrong book to use as an example.

STATE OF FEAR, when I first read it, became and still remains my favorite book by Dr. Crichton. I highly recommend it for thoughtful readers who are not tempted into guilt, hysteria or alarmism by unproven science.

The book is very well written, brilliantly researched and documented--which irks its critics, I'm sure--executed expertly as a thriller, and overall a perfectly satisfying and intellectual reading experience.

Well said, those shrill green activists need to pull their heads out of their you-know-whats! I mean, do they even realize that this book won the American Association of Petroleum Geologists 2006 Journalism Award?

I don't know about you, but when I want to know more about global warming, the first thing I do is check out the oil industry's recommended reading list.

Anyway, I'm off to smoke some Marlboros, which "supposedly" cause cancer, in my Ford Pinto that "supposedly" has a risk of blowing up and slowly incinerating me and my entire family. :rolleyes:
 
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Ah yes, I almost forgot. Anyone who dares raise their hand and ask where the proof is that humans cause global warming are just mindless pawns of the oil industry. Sorry, it slipped my mind. You can go ahead and ignore my post then, if you haven't already.
 
You can go ahead and ignore my post then, if you haven't already.
Apologies for taking almost 15 hours to reply. I'm slacking today, I expect it must be because I have a life! :rolleyes:

It's not like I deliberately rattled the whitewolf's cage with a stick, so I wasn't expecting such a vehement post, bordering on a personal attack, from just a single comment. :confused:

I don't really want to hijack this thread either; there are already threads on 'State of Fear', as well as global warming, but I need to make some response to your sweeping accusations about the people I associate with, what I think and assume. :(

I just can't ignore this. You haven't read it but you have a problem with it? It's "anti-environmental?"
What is it you can't ignore? The fact that I can hold an opinion on a book that I haven't read. I haven't read 'Mine Kampf' or any books by David Irving and holocaust denial. I can still have an informed opinion on them and their inaccurate and misleading manipulation of evidence to fit an agenda. I can have an informed opinion on pornography without viewing it myself. Why is this book different?

Between the publication of the Hardback edition and the Paperback edition (which I might have purchased) there was much written about it, both in the Press and online. I also heard reviews on BBC Radio. Literary critics, without any agenda to promote, said that it was quite boring. I have found some of his other attempts to explain scientific principles boring. I just decided that it wasn't for me.

If, rather than assuming things or taking the word of people who espouse an agenda rather than examining truths and reaching educated conclusions, you were to pick up STATE OF FEAR and read it honestly, I think you would be very surprised.
Well, you said it! You don't think that Dr. Crichton has his own agenda? He states it in the book; that he believes that the cause, extent, and threat of climate change is largely unknown and unknowable. That is his own OPINION, and I am entitled to mine. And by the way, he is a Doctor of Medicine, I have an Master of Science. He claims to have spent three years researching this book, but this book is not a peer review of the available science literature. This is still a work of fiction which cherry-picks evidence that suits his case, or worse, to suit a story. That is a 'Da Vinci Code' of science. I'm afraid that the consensus of opinion in the scientific community does not agree with his assumptions, and as you quite rightly said, I would rather believe the real climatologists than someone who clearly "espouses an agenda" backed up with a narrow sampling of the literature.

Secondly, this is an American argument. In Europe, this debate is not politicised, and the book is less relevant. All the main political parties here are in agreement on the need to tackle CO2 emissions, and that it is a major cause of global warming. At the time the book was published, there was still disagreement in the US that there was even global warming at all. We don't have opposing politicians; one who stood himself up as an Environmental Messiah, while the other desperately tried to deny his clear links with ENRON. In Europe, the Oil Industry falls over itself to promote its green credentials, so what, are we all brainwashed over here? There was a Channel 4 documentary, shown in the UK last year, which made similar claims to 'State of Fear', but it was also subsequently taken apart for its one-sided opinion and mis-representation of warming trends.

The real irony here, is that the politicisation of science is a theme in the book itself, but that is not a new development. It is not something brought about by your "shrill green activists", it was always so.

Thirdly, the premise in the book, that an environmental scientist, unable to produce enough real evidence would resort to Eco-terrorism in order to manufacture some, I find offensive.

Finally, I don't believe there is a 'State of Fear'; that the political, legal, and media elites are deliberately creating a state of unreasonable fear about global warming in the general population to keep themselves in power. That's a conspiracy theory. Do you also believe that the CIA was responsible for 9/11? Did you hear that the first passenger aircraft to crash had no windows? Lady Diana Spencer was murdered? The Pyramids were built by aliens from UFO?

Michael Crichton should stick to what he does best.
 
Thirdly, the premise in the book, that an environmental scientist, unable to produce enough real evidence would resort to Eco-terrorism in order to manufacture some, I find offensive...

Michael Crichton should stick to what he does best.

Actually, I think he pretty much did. Face it, that premise isn't new, and Crichton's not the only one to use it. But he did use it, and look at how much buzz it's gotten him. And don't think there aren't a few Hollywood producers that are looking at it and seeing serious dollar signs. Mission accomplished.

Anyway, it's just one book... and I wouldn't even call it the most outrageous thing he's written. (Congo, probably...) Agree with it or not, but I haven't understood why everyone gets so touchy about it. After all, it's entertainment written by Micheal Crichton... not theories by Stephen Hawking.
 
Thing with Crichton is since Jurassic Park he writes to suit hollywood,easy formulaic plot,lots of fun on the screen but he's hardly a novelist. I prefered him when he was a virtual unknown. Andromeda Strain etc.
 
Thing with Crichton is since Jurassic Park he writes to suit hollywood,easy formulaic plot,lots of fun on the screen but he's hardly a novelist. I prefered him when he was a virtual unknown. Andromeda Strain etc.

Actually, he was writing that "formulaic" stuff long before Jurassic Park. Check out Looker or Runaway sometime (if you can find them)... the former, starring Albert Finney and Susan Dey, is about a media mogul who plots to replace supermodels with computer-generated girls and truly hypnotic commercials, and (naturally) must kill the models as he replaces them... the latter, starring Tom Selleck and Gene Simmons (yeah, that Gene Simmons), is about a terrorist who hacks and reprograms the robots that have come to be ubiquitous in society to be assassins.
 
Someone mention Gene Simmons?
My son does a neat impersonation ;)

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People can knock on MC's work, but at the same time, they have to admit that there's a reason that this SF author has managed to make the bestseller lists, and transcend SF into mainstream literature.

It's because we all know the trains don't always run on time.

As much as we are often either enamored or dependent on technology, we have all experienced times when that technology has let us down. It can be a direct cause... like a circuit that burns out on its own... but more often it can be an indirect cause that results in the same problem... like a circuit that underperformed because some wonk in accounting insisted that using cheaper materials and doing less quality control would increase the company's profit line.

MC's books and movies have featured these causes as much as their often-horrendous results, though people usually focus just on the result. IOW, when people talk about Jurassic Park (the movie), they talk about how the dinosaurs run amok... NOT how the bribed programmer purposely sabotaged the system and caused the dinos to run amok.

MC shows us how vulnerable our technology is to the actions of selfish, unthinking, uncaring people... and how vulnerable we are when the tech fails us. Anyone who's watched in horror as your dropped cell phone shattered on the pavement, or mildly panicked when you're out at night and the batteries in your flashlight die, knows the feeling of being lost without tech. Anyone who's had a car break down a week after you've bought it (a gag used in one of MC's movies, and I believe in one book), or had a PDA brick itself when you needed that important contact out of it, knows the feeling of being let down by tech as a likely result of someone else's incompetence.

In short, when the tech goes bad in MC's work, everyone can say, "Hell yes, 'cause that's the way it always happens, doesn't it?"

Say what you will about MC, but everyone knows he's successful because he knows how to push people's buttons.
 
Push the same button again and again and it starts to get annoying :)
 
I felt that Jurassic Park worked very well as a book, but wasn't as good as a movie.

I haven't got around to reading State of Fear yet, although it is sitting on a bookshelf here somewhere. There seems to be a lot of emotion flying around about this book for a piece of fiction? Is it all just hype?
 
I've gotta say that I absolutely love MC's books. I had a bit of a hard time getting into Jurassic Park but once I did, I loved it. I loved State of Fear, Binary, and Next (that has to be my favourite book of his yet, though closely behind is State of Fear). Prey was the first book of his that I read, and I liked it, but not as much as the others. I also read Disclosure but I didn't really like it.

Personally I found the issues in both Next and State of Fear really interesting. At the time I read both of them, I was dealing with each issue in school. It was actually a friend reading Next in genetics that made me want to read it.
 
Push the same button again and again and it starts to get annoying :)

Well, judging on his current popularity, I can only guess that it hasn't gotten too annoying for a lot of people yet!

I've personally liked MC's books more than the movies... of course, the movies have to fit into 2 hours, and so the moviemakers have to take some serious liberties. Jurassic Park is so different on-screen than it is in print that it's almost a completely different story! I mean, the movie was cool, but if they had filmed the book, it would have been miles above the filmed version. (Also, it would've been about 4 hours long.) All of the film versions of the movies lose so much of what makes his novels read so well.
 
Never read any Jurassic Park books,no point when the films are out there


Might as well not read Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter or His Dark Materials or any book that's ever been made into a movie :p

Seriously, as good as the Jurassic Park film is, the book is way better. And the story is so different to the film anyway. It's definitely worth reading.

All Crichton's recent stuff blows, though.
 

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