Jon and Dany

I could see Jon being one of the heads of the dragon (I even predict he will ride the dragon named for Rhaegar (can't remember his name atm, might be Rhaegal) because I agree with the theory that he's Rhaegar's son by Lyanna Stark.

I think the bittersweet ending could be, if Jon and Dany were in love, after the dragons aid in defeating the Others, Dany goes to rule her kingdom while Jon stays to hold the Wall. The Others were "defeated" thousands of years ago and returned, I could see the people of Westeros wanting the Wall still manned. If there was still a wall, Jon would stay, even if it meant being apart from someone he loved. After all: Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death.

:p
 
Boaz said:
Also, exactly one of Dany's dragons will die. Two will need to live to breed... so one is expendable. My guess is that Rhaegal will die... that's the one named for Rhaegar. Since dragons can change their sex, I think that Drogon will make Viserion his b****, just as Drogo did to Viserys.
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Just got thinking once again about why Dany didn't use the names "Viserys," "Drogo" and "Rheagar" but changed the ending.

Viserys + Tyrion = Viserion (Is this the cream one? Like Tyrion)
Drogo + Jon = Drogon (The dark one, like Jon)
Rhaegar + ?????al = Rhaegal (Lancel! j/k)
 
CS, you say the nicest things! I love you, man. <sniff>

DB, that's exactly the kind of fuzzy brained, cotton headed, ninnymuggins thinking that makes me proud.

tsw, thanks for the info on dragons and their genders. So they are asexual... interesting. Of course this always gets me remembering that scene in Wargames where Matthew Broderick's character mocks his science teacher...

Mr. Liggett: Now there seems to be a lot of confusion on this next question: asexual reproduction. Could someone tell me please who first suggested the idea of reproduction without sex?
David Lightman: Ah-heh.
[whispers something to a classmate]
Jennifer: [overhearing, Jennifer starts to laugh]
Mr. Liggett: [turns around and sees Jennifer giggling] Miss Mack! What is so amusing?
Jennifer: I...
[Jennifer breaks up into laughter again and turns to look at David, who puts on a show of mock innocence]
Mr. Liggett: Alright, Lightman. Maybe you could tell us who first suggested the idea of reproduction without sex.
David Lightman: Umm... Your wife?
[the class erupts into laughter]
Mr. Liggett: [pointing to the door] Get out, Lightman. Get out.

I copied that straight from IMDB.com.

But I must disagree on baby Aegon... he will appear. Aegon will either really show up or a fake Aegon will try to inherit the Targ crown.
 
Boaz said:
But I must disagree on baby Aegon... he will appear. Aegon will either really show up or a fake Aegon will try to inherit the Targ crown.
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I really don't think he will, personally, but I think the best place to hide a Targaryen would be House Dayne given the similar rare hair/eye colours. The theory that Edric Dayne is really baby Aegon has probably been put forward many times.
 
Except the worst place to hide someone is with the most ardent and loyal of their retainers.....

Have we disproven Young Griff yet?


Hola from the desert
 
Egg, good to see you. I think it's been disproven that neither Jon Snow, Edric Dayne, Gerold Dayne, aka. Darkstar, Aurane Waters, Samwell Tarly, nor Sarella Sand is actually Aegon Targaryen. If Young Griff is not Aegon, then Aegon might actually be dead! This harsh reality severely conflicts with desires of conspiracies.
 
Rhaegars friend and one-time Hand was Jon Connington. He was exiled after the battle of the bells and supposedly died in exile from drinking, but we found out that Varys faked that and Young Griff is his "son" who is being sent to Dany with precious cargo. That being a secret sword, secret knowledge and now a secret noseless dwarf.

Its in the spoilers for DWD, Viz.
 
Boaz said:
Egg, good to see you. I think it's been disproven that neither Jon Snow, Edric Dayne, Gerold Dayne, aka. Darkstar, Aurane Waters, Samwell Tarly, nor Sarella Sand is actually Aegon Targaryen. If Young Griff is not Aegon, then Aegon might actually be dead! This harsh reality severely conflicts with desires of conspiracies.
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Better watch the double negatives there, gets a tad confusing! Can you explain how Edric Dayne has been proven to not be Aegon? I haven't seen the explanation and I'm interested!

I was lying in bed last night and while I personally think Aegon was simply killed during the sack of King's Landing, it IS fun coming up with conspiracy theories about how he could still be alive. Stretching out the idea that it could be Edric Dayne slightly, I had the idea that because of the similar biological markers for Targaryens and Daynes and given (I don't think?) that it is ever specified who Edric Dayne's parents are, it could be that Lady Ashara had a son who was switched with Aegon to protect the prince in a time when Robert's rebellion was gaining power. It seems unlikely but it could explain why Lady Ashara threw herself from the tower when Eddard came to visit. When Eddard came with Arthur's sword, he also unwittingly brought the news of the Sack of King's Landing and the death of her child in the place of baby Aegon.

Really, Aegon is dead though :p
 
Edric Dayne is 12 years old in the books and looks like he's 12 years old. Baby Aegon would be at least 4 years older than that. That's the main reason Edric Dayne is probably not baby Aegon.
 
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Rhaegars friend and one-time Hand was Jon Connington. He was exiled after the battle of the bells and supposedly died in exile from drinking, but we found out that Varys faked that and Young Griff is his "son" who is being sent to Dany with precious cargo. That being a secret sword, secret knowledge and now a secret noseless dwarf.

Its in the spoilers for DWD, Viz.
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Thanks. I'm definitely not going to be discussing anything from ADWD since it hasn't actually happened. Even the official preview chapters GRRM has released could be changed by the time the book is released. The preview chapter summaries on westeros.org are written by people who are furiously taking notes (I assume tape recorders aren't allowed at those readings) and trying to remember everything that's said. They could be (and probably are) chock full of misinformation and, again, could be completely different from their final form when the book is released.
 
Me? I think GRRM reads boards like this and threw Young Griff into ADWD just to titilate the internet community. He's a red herring, and is shortly to meet his demise.
 
viZion said:
Edric Dayne is 12 years old in the books and looks like he's 12 years old. Baby Aegon would be at least 4 years older than that. That's the main reason Edric Dayne is probably not baby Aegon.
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I actually just read that section on the way home and the estimate of age is "A youth, about 10 or 12" as judged by Arya. That's what makes me inclined to think its not true, but on the other hand there are instances of people's ages being mistaken. Robert Arryn seems a prime example of someone whose age would be impossible to judge without someone who actually knew him. Given the only person to have a guess at his age is Arya, herself a 10 year old girl, its not out of the realm of possibility that she misjudged. I'm not saying that's likely, but if GRRM really wanted to have Edric Dayne be Aegon, nothing he has written so far would really stop him. It would be very odd, but its possible. And really, isn't that what insane theorising is all about? :p
 
I stand by my thread and long long promise that the Daynes are integral in this Aegon theory or at least knew more than most about Rhaegar and his actions i.e. Tower of Joy.
 
Storm of Swords pg. 595 in the U.S. paperback edition (Arya VIII), Edric Dayne says, "I'm only twelve." Unless he's lying through his teeth but he doesn't appear to be doing that. Read the conversation between him and Arya and you'll see that he actually seems like an innocent bright-eyed kid. I.e., not the type to be lying about his age. Everytime he appears in that book he appears to really be a twelve year old. It's possible that he's just a very feminine, young-looking type of 16 year old but I doubt it.

I don't believe baby Aegon is alive at all but if he is I definitely think Edric Dayne is the wrong person to be thinking about.
 
viZion said:
Thanks. I'm definitely not going to be discussing anything from ADWD since it hasn't actually happened. Even the official preview chapters GRRM has released could be changed by the time the book is released. The preview chapter summaries on westeros.org are written by people who are furiously taking notes (I assume tape recorders aren't allowed at those readings) and trying to remember everything that's said. They could be (and probably are) chock full of misinformation and, again, could be completely different from their final form when the book is released.
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Im gonna assume anything George puts out in the preview chapters is canon in the big picture sense. Maybe the nuts and bolts will change but its unreasonable to think he would change a defining plot arc.

I do agree we will not discuss any of the note-taken-convention-scribbling, probably covered in nacho cheese cribb sheets be regarded as facts....

We've (read Werthead) have been discussing Young Griff since long before the ADWD preview chapter came out....I dont know where he got his information from....but Im not exactly a Magic 8-Ball with all the answers or anything.
 
viZion said:
Storm of Swords pg. 595 in the U.S. paperback edition (Arya VIII), Edric Dayne says, "I'm only twelve." Unless he's lying through his teeth but he doesn't appear to be doing that. Read the conversation between him and Arya and you'll see that he actually seems like an innocent bright-eyed kid. I.e., not the type to be lying about his age. Everytime he appears in that book he appears to really be a twelve year old. It's possible that he's just a very feminine, young-looking type of 16 year old but I doubt it.

I don't believe baby Aegon is alive at all but if he is I definitely think Edric Dayne is the wrong person to be thinking about.
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Ah, I must have missed that bit! I'm on like my third or fourth reread and sometimes skip Arya chapters (or Sansa chapters) because I like them less than other characters.

Incidentally, I am running a Game of Thrones roleplaying game at the moment and my players favourite NPC is Edric Dayne. It's set about 6 years before the events of a game of thrones and he's only 6 in the game. No idea why my players like him so much.
 
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