Science Experiment - Personality type and atheism/agnosticism/belief
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Interference
Destroyer of Words
Hmmm. You wanna take that test again, Tan?
(Seems to me you're more like one in a million
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(Seems to me you're more like one in a million
)JDP
Never told a lie. Ever.
Yeah, these definitions are certainly interesting. When I first started reading about mine, I thought "wow, that's really pretty accurate - cool!". Then, however, I did my patented 'horoscope test' (reading the alternatives to see if they're just as 'accurate') and was a little disappointed when I could identify with a number of them.
All good food for thought, though, thanks for the thread! Has anyone noticed a pattern for type-to-religion then?
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Scratch that, the more I read about it, the more my type seems quite accurate. Great stuff...
All good food for thought, though, thanks for the thread! Has anyone noticed a pattern for type-to-religion then?
Edit:
Scratch that, the more I read about it, the more my type seems quite accurate. Great stuff...
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The Procrastinator
1 Candlepower Brain
Caught me there, Ben! Sometimes I am facile and glib. Oh no!
Seriously, I've been following the whole nature/nurture thing with interest for years, and I continue to be amazed at what continues to be revealed of the "power of nature".
As for practical advances, I'm sure if you compare modern treatments of mental disorders or diseases to those of forty years ago, you'll spot some improvements.
Interference, you are right I dare say - boards about books will probably be home to a disproportionate number of introverts.
HJ and Tansy, nice to see some more F's that aren't INFPs - I was beginning to wonder about all those INFP's.
Tansy
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Hmmm. You wanna take that test again, Tan?
(Seems to me you're more like one in a million
lol bless you my child
I get a different answer everytime I do one of these lol, however it is true of me in a good mood
EDIT: I'm going to take this again as reading up on it only a few things are true to me
I hate being the centre of attention for one and I think a lot more about things than stated
Back in a bit with a new answer
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Tansy
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Ok I tried this again and got [SIZE=+3]ENFP [/SIZE]"Journalist". Uncanny sense of the motivations of others. Life is an exciting drama. 8.1% of total population.
After looking it up in more detail then I think this is what i got before as it sounds familiar and is more like me than the previous assessment - although _ do have some of those traits -
ENFPs are warm, enthusiastic people, typically very bright and full of potential. They live in the world of possibilities, and can become very passionate and excited about things. Their enthusiasm lends them the ability to inspire and motivate others, more so than we see in other types. They can talk their way in or out of anything. They love life, seeing it as a special gift, and strive to make the most out of it.
I'd go along with the above. THe next bit is semi right
They see meaning in everything, and are on a continuous quest to adapt their lives and values to achieve inner peace. They're constantly aware and somewhat fearful of losing touch with themselves. Since emotional excitement is usually an important part of the ENFP's life, and because they are focused on keeping "centered", the ENFP is usually an intense individual, with highly evolved values.
I'm not so much fearful of losing touch with myself but I am now aware of who I am and what my pros and cons are
An ENFP needs to focus on following through with their projects. This can be a problem area for some of these individuals. Unlike other Extraverted types, ENFPs need time alone to center themselves, and make sure they are moving in a direction which is in sync with their values. ENFPs who remain centered will usually be quite successful at their endeavors. Others may fall into the habit of dropping a project when they become excited about a new possibility, and thus they never achieve the great accomplishments which they are capable of achieving.
I do get bored and distracted easily unless I am really into something
They have an exceptional ability to intuitively understand a person after a very short period of time, and use their intuition and flexibility to relate to others on their own level.
That bit is true I used to use it to hurt when younger, a defensive mechanism, I'd know quickly what a person's vunerability was. Now I tend to use it in a good way
ENFPs sometimes make serious errors in judgment. They have an amazing ability to intuitively perceive the truth about a person or situation, but when they apply judgment to their perception, they may jump to the wrong conclusions.
That is also true - hence I'm open minded and rarely judge anyone
However, ENFPs like a little excitement in their lives, and are best matched with individuals who are comfortable with change and new experiences.
This is getting scary now
Because they are so alert and sensitive, constantly scanning their environments, ENFPs often suffer from muscle tension. They have a strong need to be independent, and resist being controlled or labelled. They need to maintain control over themselves, but they do not believe in controlling others. Their dislike of dependence and suppression extends to others as well as to themselves.
yup I'm scared
Because ENFPs live in the world of exciting possibilities, the details of everyday life are seen as trivial drudgery. They place no importance on detailed, maintenance-type tasks, and will frequently remain oblivous to these types of concerns. When they do have to perform these tasks, they do not enjoy themselves. This is a challenging area of life for most ENFPs, and can be frustrating for ENFP's family members.
I don't feel too bad leaving dishes in the sink now
After looking it up in more detail then I think this is what i got before as it sounds familiar and is more like me than the previous assessment - although _ do have some of those traits -
ENFPs are warm, enthusiastic people, typically very bright and full of potential. They live in the world of possibilities, and can become very passionate and excited about things. Their enthusiasm lends them the ability to inspire and motivate others, more so than we see in other types. They can talk their way in or out of anything. They love life, seeing it as a special gift, and strive to make the most out of it.
I'd go along with the above. THe next bit is semi right
They see meaning in everything, and are on a continuous quest to adapt their lives and values to achieve inner peace. They're constantly aware and somewhat fearful of losing touch with themselves. Since emotional excitement is usually an important part of the ENFP's life, and because they are focused on keeping "centered", the ENFP is usually an intense individual, with highly evolved values.
I'm not so much fearful of losing touch with myself but I am now aware of who I am and what my pros and cons are
An ENFP needs to focus on following through with their projects. This can be a problem area for some of these individuals. Unlike other Extraverted types, ENFPs need time alone to center themselves, and make sure they are moving in a direction which is in sync with their values. ENFPs who remain centered will usually be quite successful at their endeavors. Others may fall into the habit of dropping a project when they become excited about a new possibility, and thus they never achieve the great accomplishments which they are capable of achieving.
I do get bored and distracted easily unless I am really into something
They have an exceptional ability to intuitively understand a person after a very short period of time, and use their intuition and flexibility to relate to others on their own level.
That bit is true
I used to use it to hurt when younger, a defensive mechanism, I'd know quickly what a person's vunerability was. Now I tend to use it in a good wayENFPs sometimes make serious errors in judgment. They have an amazing ability to intuitively perceive the truth about a person or situation, but when they apply judgment to their perception, they may jump to the wrong conclusions.
That is also true - hence I'm open minded and rarely judge anyone
However, ENFPs like a little excitement in their lives, and are best matched with individuals who are comfortable with change and new experiences.
This is getting scary now
Because they are so alert and sensitive, constantly scanning their environments, ENFPs often suffer from muscle tension. They have a strong need to be independent, and resist being controlled or labelled. They need to maintain control over themselves, but they do not believe in controlling others. Their dislike of dependence and suppression extends to others as well as to themselves.
yup I'm scared
Because ENFPs live in the world of exciting possibilities, the details of everyday life are seen as trivial drudgery. They place no importance on detailed, maintenance-type tasks, and will frequently remain oblivous to these types of concerns. When they do have to perform these tasks, they do not enjoy themselves. This is a challenging area of life for most ENFPs, and can be frustrating for ENFP's family members.
I don't feel too bad leaving dishes in the sink now
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Michael01
Coven of the Worm
INFP.
The thing is, I have a different definition for "god" or "deity" than some people. I look at it this way: "The sun actually does provide light and sustenance for the entire planet, therefore the sun is more powerful than me." Yeah, even gods can die, especially by that example. Doesn't mean that I'll get down on my knees and worship it, either.
On the other hand, I do believe there is more to it than that, and I don't think my thoughts on it are entirely "made up." I don't think the explanation provided by quantum theory for the origin of the universe is satisfactory. I remember my philosophy instructor in college going on about how there "was nothing before the Big Bang." But, somehow, the priniciples of quantum physics were still in effect in a complete non-existence? And this is called "logical?"
At the same time, I find this theory fascinating. I mean, I couldn't stop myself from devouring a few books on the subject, anyway.
So we could say it is a fact that the universe exists, and that the evidence we've gathered so far suggests it did not always exist (and that is according to our interpretation of the evidence). It also suggests that nothing at all existed before it came to be. This evidence and the interpretation thereof, however, is not at all conclusive, and it seems illogical to accept it as a fact.
My philosophy instructor was so sure that anyone who believed in "God" or "afterlife" was delusional. Maybe we are. What the hey, it sure is a nice delusion to hold on to, anyway.
The thing is, I have a different definition for "god" or "deity" than some people. I look at it this way: "The sun actually does provide light and sustenance for the entire planet, therefore the sun is more powerful than me." Yeah, even gods can die, especially by that example. Doesn't mean that I'll get down on my knees and worship it, either.
On the other hand, I do believe there is more to it than that, and I don't think my thoughts on it are entirely "made up." I don't think the explanation provided by quantum theory for the origin of the universe is satisfactory. I remember my philosophy instructor in college going on about how there "was nothing before the Big Bang." But, somehow, the priniciples of quantum physics were still in effect in a complete non-existence? And this is called "logical?"
At the same time, I find this theory fascinating. I mean, I couldn't stop myself from devouring a few books on the subject, anyway.
So we could say it is a fact that the universe exists, and that the evidence we've gathered so far suggests it did not always exist (and that is according to our interpretation of the evidence). It also suggests that nothing at all existed before it came to be. This evidence and the interpretation thereof, however, is not at all conclusive, and it seems illogical to accept it as a fact.
My philosophy instructor was so sure that anyone who believed in "God" or "afterlife" was delusional. Maybe we are. What the hey, it sure is a nice delusion to hold on to, anyway.
Interference
Destroyer of Words
My philosophy instructor was so sure that anyone who believed in "God" or "afterlife" was delusional.....
Atheists can be nearly as bad as Christians in that respect. Absolute conviction tends to lead to absolute incredulity that others don't agree.
Hilarious Joke
Fool
A really good article about respect for differences between your beliefs and another's:
10 Things Christians and Atheists Can (And Must) Agree On | Cracked.com
10 Things Christians and Atheists Can (And Must) Agree On | Cracked.com
Michael01
Coven of the Worm
One very interesting, humorous, and informative article, HJ. Thanks for sharing it!
Ehkzu
Context Disambiguates
Jung Test Results
Your type is: [SIZE=+3]ENTP[/SIZE]
Accuracy: - 5 high 4 3 2 1 low
ENTP - "Inventor". Enthusiastic interest in everything and always sensitive to possibilities. Non-conformist and innovative. 3.2% of the total population.
Was raised Episcopalian. Became agnostic at 15, atheist by 18. Married devout Mormon at 39--attend church with her regularly to this day, decades hence.
Realized recently that I'm not an atheist, because an atheist is someone who responds "No" when you ask him whether he believes in God, whereas I say "Sorry, there's a word in that sentence that I don't understand, so I can't answer it."
Asking "Do you believe in God?" makes exactly as much sense to me as asking "Do you believe in Skr<>##@ish?"
People's religious beliefs spring from our being social animals with a rudimentary ability to think, including a tendency to connect the dots even when the dots aren't connected. Religion is an extension of social reification rituals--comparable to wolves getting together and howling before a hunt.
On an individual level, religious belief = our innate need to care for fellow tribe members + desire to keep going indefinitely (an example of how hope clouds observation).
I've gone to gospel music concerts and felt genuinely moved, because I'm still a social animal. I just know where those powerful feelings come from.
Extroverted (E) 63.64% Introverted (I) 36.36%
Sensing (S) 50% Intuitive (N) 50%
Thinking (T) 73.33% Feeling (F) 26.67%
Perceiving (P) 59.46% Judging (J) 40.54%
Sensing (S) 50% Intuitive (N) 50%
Thinking (T) 73.33% Feeling (F) 26.67%
Perceiving (P) 59.46% Judging (J) 40.54%
Your type is: [SIZE=+3]ENTP[/SIZE]
Accuracy: - 5 high 4 3 2 1 low
ENTP - "Inventor". Enthusiastic interest in everything and always sensitive to possibilities. Non-conformist and innovative. 3.2% of the total population.
Was raised Episcopalian. Became agnostic at 15, atheist by 18. Married devout Mormon at 39--attend church with her regularly to this day, decades hence.
Realized recently that I'm not an atheist, because an atheist is someone who responds "No" when you ask him whether he believes in God, whereas I say "Sorry, there's a word in that sentence that I don't understand, so I can't answer it."
Asking "Do you believe in God?" makes exactly as much sense to me as asking "Do you believe in Skr<>##@ish?"
People's religious beliefs spring from our being social animals with a rudimentary ability to think, including a tendency to connect the dots even when the dots aren't connected. Religion is an extension of social reification rituals--comparable to wolves getting together and howling before a hunt.
On an individual level, religious belief = our innate need to care for fellow tribe members + desire to keep going indefinitely (an example of how hope clouds observation).
I've gone to gospel music concerts and felt genuinely moved, because I'm still a social animal. I just know where those powerful feelings come from.
Celeritas
the lovechild of logic
http://similarminds.com/jung/intp.html
that's me for the most part.
I believe in a connectedness between everything in the universe. I believe it is formless and shapeless. and (personal belief here, no disrespect meant)
that it would be disrespectful to try and define this connectedness any further than that.
and in the interest of scientific purity I took the test 15 times and received the same results each time.
that's me for the most part.
I believe in a connectedness between everything in the universe. I believe it is formless and shapeless. and (personal belief here, no disrespect meant)
that it would be disrespectful to try and define this connectedness any further than that.
and in the interest of scientific purity I took the test 15 times and received the same results each time.
The Procrastinator
1 Candlepower Brain
Fifteen times! She's a maniac...maniac (There's a song for every occasion. )
I will now get around to collating my results, such as they are, but I have a feeling my hypothesis will stand...
)I will now get around to collating my results, such as they are, but I have a feeling my hypothesis will stand...
Celeritas
the lovechild of logic
Fifteen times! She's a maniac...maniac (There's a song for every occasion.
I will now get around to collating my results, such as they are, but I have a feeling my hypothesis will stand...
didn't know that was my theme song didja? *teehee*
seriously though, scientific experimentation requires results that repeatedly can be tested.
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