Is it just me or...?

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I saw the title of this thread and thought I'll have to have a go at that.
I was first introduced to Magician by a work colleague. This was at a time when fantasy fiction was a subject I very rarely took any interest in. I found the whole concept a little twee and uninteresting. Nonetheless, I took the book home and had my first introduction to Pug, Tomas and the world of Crydee. After a few chapters the necessary concentration needed to read a book of such magnitude began to wane. I didn't find any problem with the writing or the imagining of the world. At best I thought it quite endearing, at it's worst typically generic. I returned the book and forgot all about it.
I few years passed and I came across another Feist book on one of my usual charity shop ventures.
Faerie Tale.
I liked the concept of this story. A recently moved suburban, American family's lives are changed by an invasion of fiends and creatures from a corruptive fantasy world. I thoroughly enjoyed this book and it's interesting and well paced storyline.
This set me off, once again, on the Magician path. Or at the very least a self alert on a subliminal search for it.
After spotting it some months later I put aside some quality reading time with the intention of finally reading it.
Again, to my very real dismay, I gave up after the requisite chapters. I presumed I just couldn't grasp the nettle that was fantasy. Or so I thought. Then along came George RR Martin and he opened the doors to the worlds I really felt I wanted to enter.
From then I couldn't get enough of the cavalcade of different authors and the stories they had to tell.
Freda Warrington, David Gemmel, KJ Parker, Robin Hobb, the list goes on. Now I was finally enmeshed in the whole genre and I couldn't seem to find enough to sate this sudden, insatiable appetite. As you can probably guess this was the time the said book once again raised it's strange and unfathomable head.
My better half had, through mine own strangely insistent recommendations, delved into the Feist series and resurfaced entranced and captivated by it. So, blah, blah, blah...started to read it one quiet and undisturbed night.
What seemed like an endless epoch of crawling on poisoned, shattered glass I finished Magician and subsequently flagellated myself out of self hatred for having to endure those 700 + pages.
Endure is too nice a word...think of a worse definition and replace it.
I can honestly say I've never enjoyed a book less than I did Feist's magnum opus. There are so many collective problems with it that I can't possibly cite them all. I would seriously be frightened of overloading this sites database with my foaming declarations.
In Feist's defence I can appreciate that this was his first novel (I'm probably going to be put right on this statement) and his primary introduction into the world of writing fantasy. That doesn't take away the responsibility of the editorial mess that this book is. You would have thought someone in the chain of command at Harper/Collins would have used the editing marker with a lot more flourish.
But that is really by the by. If the only problem was poor editing I don't think I'd be on this particular page bleating my protestations and despair at the unlikely successful niche this book has carved in the SciFi/ Fantasy world.
The plot runs out of steam after the first Rift ship hits the beaches of Middle Europe Crydee. Not because of the lack of potential the idea has, but because of the lack of flair and imagination needed to sustain the fantastic concept of the story. And Feist just doesn't seem to have that well of knowledge at his command.
To describe Pug, Tomas and the cast of Magician has one dimensional characters is flattery in the extreme. Initially you can feel yourself cultivating a certain amount of empathy and fondness for them. But then Feist forgets about characterisation and decides to imbue all of the population and locations with about as much depth as a milk bottle top.
Dialogue is one of the mainstays of any interactive, fiction medium. It focuses the reader/viewer and stabilises the relationship between both. In this, yet again, Feist falls flat on his face. I could not believe the amount of inanities and rhetoric most of the characters let stumble out of their mouths. Pug's use of language from servant boy to trained Magician is such a mammoth gulf in character he might as well be speaking in an entirely new dialect.
I could go on, but like the contents of Feist's book, I've lost interest in trying to be interesting. That's what the majority of this tome felt like, an exercise in how not to write. I'm just happy it didn't soil my opinion of fantasy forever.
 
Well then, I have one word: SHOCKED.

Worst review of a Fiest book i've seen.

Not sure how i'm supposed to defend him while your feeling so bad about it:p

But surely your going a bit overboard considering you picked it back up 3 or 4 times.
 
I think I possibly over stepped the mark a couple of times. It's probably more to do with disappointment than anything else. Dialogue is a rich vein to mine and when it's done badly the medium can suffer.
My filtering process is a lot more stringent than it use to be so I try to avoid reading something if the signals are poor. ie: poor dialogue
I thought the book started out quite well then caved in on itself. Too much padding and not enough characterisation.
I don't mean to offend. My gf loves the book, even though she recognises its faults, so I understand my criticism is going to get me into a lot of hot water.
If it's any help, I also hate LOTR.
 
First Feist, now Tolkien...just add Erikson and Martin and you'll have antagonised 95% of the Chrons, kale:D

Bear in mind that Magician was Feists first book, and he did address some of the points you bring up later in his career.

Try the collaborations with Janny Wurts, (the Empire Trilogy: Daughter of the Empire, Servant of the Empire, Mistress of the Empire), which are far better in the character-drawing line than the earlier books.
 
First Feist, now Tolkien...just add Erikson and Martin and you'll have antagonised 95% of the Chrons, kale:D

Bear in mind that Magician was Feists first book, and he did address some of the points you bring up later in his career.

Try the collaborations with Janny Wurts, (the Empire Trilogy: Daughter of the Empire, Servant of the Empire, Mistress of the Empire), which are far better in the character-drawing line than the earlier books.


I was just about to mention the same thing!
 
Once you read A Darkness at Sethanon, you will realise that Feist is the Stephen KING of fantasy.:D
 
lol... the stephen king of fantasy! poor stephen king to have his name uttered in the same sentence as Feist's.

Kale i have to agree with you on many many points. the rice-paper thin back-story, the inability to give the characters any character - whatsoever. the only characters i've ever liked in Feist's solo works are Erik von Darkmoor and Nakor...and even these are shallow characters.
Try the Empire series with Janny Wurts. It combines the only thing Feist is good at... evocative battle scenes... with the brilliance of Janny Wurts, and her inability to not create anything but magnificently detailed characters, and truly intricate worlds frought with poilitical intrigue.
 
Nakor is one of Feist's deepest characters! Only his orange bag is a little shallow at times ;)
 
I know I like an author if, while reading their books, I get completely sucked into their world, and picture it in my head. While I did find Magician a bit heavy going, taking a couple of reads before it clicked, Darkness at Sethanon and the Janny Wurtz collaborations sucked me in good 'n' proper! :D
 
I understand what Kale is talking about I suppose. Fiest was my introduction to Fantasy but I read him when I was 15 years old and at that time it was great. I still to this day read Feist and have read everybook he has come out with. I even buy them in hardcover???? Why I couldnt tell you. Now that I am older and have read all of the greats of the genre I cant help but shake my head every time I finish one of his books. I think I read them for sentimental value if anything.

I have to say that if I had never read a Feist book to this day and picked up Magician I would have a hard time plowing through it.
 
Freda Warrington, David Gemmel, KJ Parker, Robin Hobb, the list goes on. Now I was finally enmeshed in the whole genre and I couldn't seem to find enough to sate this sudden, insatiable appetite. As you can probably guess this was the time the said book once again raised it's strange and unfathomable head.

Might be off-topicing, but:

Yay, finally somebody who likes K.J. Parker! :D
 
I've only read the Scavenger Trilogy so I don't know if that signifies anything. Somewhere in the catacombs of my library I have the Fencer series. I'll have to root it out when I have time.
I take it people aren't too keen on his work?
 
I've only read the Scavenger Trilogy so I don't know if that signifies anything. Somewhere in the catacombs of my library I have the Fencer series. I'll have to root it out when I have time.
I take it people aren't too keen on his work?

I've also only read the Scavenger Trilogy, but plan to read the others as well. I like his writing style, it's so lovely different. I love K.J. Parker, but I hated him also, for his confusing story :rolleyes:
 
Hey, if you guys want an argument (or a contradiction), go to the Lounge!

And for the record, it wasn't. Werthead has had much larger posts, as has JD Worthington.
 
You have a right to your own opinion, but I'll still love Feist's writing no matter what, despite not having yet read anything past The Conclave of Shadows, nor his collaboration with Janny Wurts.
 
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