Starks as Wargs [possible spoilers]

Then, would Bran have a added advantage over Jon and Arya because of the Green Dreams? My guess is yes.

But, how is it that Arya continues to develop her warging abilities when she has been seperated from Nymeria for quite some time?

Finally, how is it that the Stark children found these direwolves by pure luck of being at the right place at the right time and that they indeed match their personalities?

One must poke holes in a theory to see if it's only swiss cheese or more solid than that.
 
You could say once the warg link is establish is remains open. Therefore as long as Arya and Nymeria live, the link remains.
 
Criticism is the path to knowledge!

Then, would Bran have a added advantage over Jon and Arya because of the Green Dreams? My guess is yes.
I would agree. Jojen's Green Dreams are proving to Bran that supernatural powers do in fact exist in the world and are not to be feared but embraced. Bran is also the only Stark to actively try to develop his power. He's also supposedly met his future teacher north of the Wall and likely will gain an even greater advantage to his development.

After going back, I thought you might be referring to the Three-Eyed Crow dreams. I think the Old Gods are taking special interest in Bran which is why he is being sent north of the wall through Jojen. I think Bran will be the only true "warg". The other children are just blindly tapping into this power, usually only at critical times.

Finally, how is it that the Stark children found these direwolves by pure luck of being at the right place at the right time and that they indeed match their personalities?
Coincidence or divine intervention? We've seen the power of Rh'llor through
Melisandre, Donadarion, Thoros, and UnCat. We've seen the power of the Other through the wights and undead. I don't think it's too outlandish to posit that the Old Gods sent the wolves as guardian angels for the Stark children. Why? I can only think that these Stark children would be be instrumental to the Old Gods' plans somehow. I think the presence of these wolves are like Jon said in the first chapter of AGOT, that these wolves were meant for the children of house Stark, whose sigil is the direwolf.

As to their personalities, when the children found them, they were just newborn pups. Growing up I would think that the wolves attempted to emulate thier beloved masters/parental figures. (remember Eddard, sternly ordered the children to raise them themselves, and to treat them with respect/warmth) Being unnatural creatures, and the development of that instinctual warging link between them, perhaps the children subconsiously asserted thier emotions through their wolves. Some of it stuck.

But, how is it that Arya continues to develop her warging abilities when she has been separated from Nymeria for quite some time?
I agree with Kiwi, while they WERE separated, I don't believe that such a deep bond which Arya and Nymeria shared, could be severed so easily. She was actually still in rather close proximity to her wolf. That is until she left westeros. I don't think she had any wolf dreams since after that. Futhermore, I think the random warging that the children experience are not so random. It occurs at critical times when involving the childrens' safety. (Jon and the Frostfangs) (Arya on the run from Bolton) Perhaps more subtle divine influence?

Also another note. Jon had no connection with his wolf after he went over the Wall with the Thenns. No wolf dreams, no sense at all. The wall has powerful spells sewed into it, according to legend and the words of Melisandre. There is indeed some magic that fuels this warging.
 
Criticism is the path to knowledge!

Also another note. Jon had no connection with his wolf after he went over the Wall with the Thenns. No wolf dreams, no sense at all. The wall has powerful spells sewed into it, according to legend and the words of Melisandre. There is indeed some magic that fuels this warging.

I registered simply to point out that your posts in this thread are amazing.

If I'm remembering correctly I think Coldhands told Sam the same thing about the wall having spells woven into it, it was in the chapter where Sam meets Bran and Meera et al.
 
Thanks everyone for the positive feedback. And welcome to the forums Foodahn, There are all sorts of informative threads and startling revelations that can be found throughout these forums. I'd especially recommend one of the many R+L = J threads if you have not already checked them out. Also the Not So Important Connections thread. (Not sure how to link threads). Boaz is starting to bring me around with the whole Tyrion = Targ thing. Tywin seems to hate him a little more than warranted.

And yes that's right Coldhands also mentioned it.
 
Tyrion the closet targ that fits in a closet....

Pls. nominate me for the lamest joke award, thank you for your consideration.
 
I'm right there with you Foodahn, I registered because every thread I've read here is amazing.

Also, didn't coldhands point out that he couldn't pass beyond the wall because of those spells? Does anyone know what/who Coldhands is? I know he's meant to train (obviously has some skill with older magic) Bran and he saved Sam and Gilly from the Others, but other than that do we know anything about him?
 
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Also, didn't coldhands point out that he couldn't pass beyond the wall because of those spells?

There's the theory that Coldhands is actually Benjen Stark.

But if Coldhands was Benjen, wouldn't he have been able to pass through that spell since he was a Sworn Brother (The ward was in place to stop those who weren't of the Night's Watch from passing through the gateway)?
 
And here I thought the recent surge of intiates was due to myself being so amazing. :(

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Thanks I hadn't hear that one.

Coldhands is a particularly interesting character to me. When he is first introduced Sam and Gilly mistake him for an Other and apparently the spells that repel the Others effect him as well. If he turns out to be Benjen,it could be that some transformation has left him too similar to the Others for the spells to recognize him.

Of course this is all speculation :)
 
Don't forget Gambit, the wall keeps out most forms of magic including the old gods. (IE Jon's warging) Not just the Others. I'm guessing it is woven with similar spells as Storm's End was when Melisandre commented that she couldn't breach the walls with her shadow unless rowed under the walls. Personally I don't like the idea of Benjen being alive. It seems more realistic for him to have died in the wilderness along with the many other brothers.
 
I'd have to say that I agree with you about Coldhands identity, it is far more likely that Benjen's dead and gone, I enjoy playing the what if game sometimes though, god knows why :)

In regard to Coldhands and the ability to cross the wall. I thought Melisandre's shadow could not cross the barrier. In other words her magic itself could not breach the wards, her physical person, however, could. Coldhands physically could not pass beyond the wall. I know its a pretty small distinction, and probably has very little relevance to the plot itself, but still, I thought it was kind of weird.
 
Very true. Perhaps the reanimation of his body (if that in fact is what it was) proved to be too much to cause him from reentering through the wall.
 
Just a random thought are the starks all wargs or is bran the only true warg. I believe all the stark kiddies (aprt from sansa) hav a warg-like connection with their wolves but are they warging with them or just communicationg with them?

Is warging only classified as warging when you can take control of an animal and enter the minds of more than one animal or is what jon does in the aswd sample chapter?
 
bran is certainly developing into a true warg. Jon shows many warg characteristics. Arya's fierceness may be her only remaining tie to Nymeria, the only vestage of her warg potential. I suspect that Rickon will likely develop some of the abilities that Jon and Bran have... a full warg possibly even... Shaggydog was very wild, and Rickon was as well... Robb seems to have danced along the edge of it during battle, but seems to have distanced himself from GreyWind otherwise...going so far as to send greywind away when Jeyne Westerling comes into the picture. Sansa lost Lady too early to tell. possibly a reason for how lost she was in the early parts of the story. all the other starks save Arya have had a dire wolf to share their fears, etc with. Sansa and Arya being so very different fell back on their pre-wolf patterns... the "proper lady" and the "fiercely independant tomboy"
 
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