Where is Everybody? Fifty solutions to the Fermi Paradox, by Stephen Webb

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The Fermi paradox is named after the mid-twentieth century physicist who posed a simple question: calculations based on reasonable estimates indicate that this galaxy should host a large number of extraterrestrial civilisations capable of interstellar communication or travel (which Webb shortens to ETCs), yet we have so far been unable to find any evidence for the existence of even one such civilisation. So where are they all?

The astronomer Drake later quantified the calculation like this: the number of ETCs in the galaxy (N) is determined by the rate at which stars form (R), the fraction of stars with planets (fp), the number of those planets with an environment suitable for life (ne), the fraction of those planets on which life actually develops (f1), the fraction of those which produce intelligent life (fi), the fraction of those which develop a civilisation capable of interstellar communications (fc), and finally the number of years that such a culture will devote to communication (L). The "Drake equation" therefore reads N=(R)x(fp)x(ne)x(f1)x(fi)x(fc)x(L). This looks impressively authoritative, but a moment's thought reveals that we have no means of knowing most of the factors, so figures which we enter for them are little better than guesswork. And the calculated number of ETCs will vary greatly depending on the particular guesses we make. Another point is that should any of the factors be zero, then the outcome will also be zero. Despite this, calculations of star formation rates for this galaxy result in N being a very large number even with pessimistic assumptions being made about the other factors. In other words, this galaxy should have been swarming with ETCs for millions of years, which we could hardly have failed to notice.

Having discussed this paradox, the author then briefly describes and evaluates a select fifty (there have been many more) explanations put forward to account for this interstellar silence, before revealing his own solution. As the reviewer, I will of course conclude by proposing a slightly different answer! Webb divides up the explanations into three broad categories: "They are here"; "They exist but have not yet communicated"; and "They do not exist". I'll take each of these in turn; I obviously can't do justice to a book full of ideas in a blog, so I'll just pick a few examples.

They Are Here

This group contains only eight explanations, ranging from the amusing (they exist and are meddling in human affairs), through the paranoid (we have been isolated by the galactic civilisation, or we live in a simulation), to the more serious (panspermia: we are all aliens, because life was kicked off by being seeded from outer space) and finally the religious (God created this universe only for us; any other ETCs have their own universes created for them).

Webb clearly doesn't rate any of these very highly. The most feasible, panspermia, doesn't actually solve the problem, since if our planet was seeded so presumably was every other suitable one – so where are they all?

They Exist But Have Not Yet Communicated

More than twenty explanations here, some of which argue that ETCs may for various reasons not be interested in travelling to, or even communicating with, other civilisations. Just because we are explorers doesn't mean that everyone else has to be. However, Webb points out that it only takes one with the same urges as we have to reach out to other worlds, and potentially spread throughout the galaxy.

Other explanations are therefore more practical, focusing on the difficulty of interstellar communication – let alone interstellar travel. The popular belief that ETCs in our neighbourhood would have detected us now via our routine radio and TV broadcasts is shot down; it appears that these would fade out before they could reach even the nearest star. Even a focused radio beam aimed at another star would be hard to detect; lasers are more promising, but a nearby ETC would have to exist now, and be beaming a signal directly at us, and we would have to be looking in the right place at the right time to notice it. Another idea is that they are signalling but we're not picking it up, for various reasons; or we have picked it up, but haven't properly analysed the data. Or possibly ETCs don't spend long in an active signalling phase before they upload themselves into computers or some higher non-material plane to enjoy the unlimited pleasures of virtual reality.

The difficulties of interstellar travel are well rehearsed, since there are no indications that Faster-Than-Light (FTL) spaceships will ever be possible and frozen sleep or generation ships have their own major problems. Bracewell-Von Neumann probes (which are sent to other star systems to mine their resources and then replicate themselves to send out to more systems) would be one way of spreading an inanimate presence throughout the galaxy quite quickly. The fact that we have not detected such probes is therefore a puzzle. Somebody should have got around to doing it.

They Do Not Exist

Webb lists almost as many ideas under this heading, which to me represents the most interesting part because it is more solidly based in science rather than speculations about alien psychologies or the like. These explanations look at the sequence of improbable events which has led to our civilisation and argue that this sequence may be unique.

There are several elements to this: first that the galaxy is a dangerous place, regularly blasted by intense bursts of gamma radiation from supernovae which would affect life for thirty light years around. The outer galactic zone in which the Solar System sits may be in the "Galactic Habitable Zone" (GHZ), a less vulnerable position than the more crowded central zone. The mysterious Gamma Ray Bursters (GRBs) are even more devastating; they could affect an entire galaxy and reset the evolution clock each time (for obvious reasons, they have so far only been observed in other galaxies). It is estimated that a GRB could happen in a galaxy like ours about every hundred million years, which would approximately match the frequency of mass extinction events on Earth. So maybe we are among the first to achieve a technological civilisation since the last GRB wiped out any previous ones.

The next point is that planetary systems are inherently dangerous. Catastrophic events such as asteroid strikes, supervolcanoes like Toba or other causes of wild fluctuations in the global climate may have led to many mass extinctions even without the help of GRBs or supernovae. Extinctions are a good thing very occasionally (we wouldn't be here without them) but cripple the development of life if they happen too often. Life may also require very particular circumstances in which to develop intelligence: obviously, any life like ours needs liquid water to be available for hundreds of millions of years, which means that the planet must be in exactly the right circular orbit (the continuously habitable zone, or CHZ) to achieve this even through various fluctuations in the sun's output. Finally, the tidal effects of one large moon plus the constant crustal renewal of plate tectonics may also be important elements in the conditions which led to us, although that is more speculative.

Then we come on to the biological improbabilities. A key one identified by Webb is the development of multi-cellular eukaryotic life, compared with much simpler prokaryotic life such as bacteria. This was a remarkable event which took billions of years to happen – possibly, it's uncommon. So might be the development of intelligence at our level. Perhaps most significantly, of all of Earth life, we are the only one to develop the sophisticated language without which our civilisation could never have arisen, so this may be a very rare feat. And we cannot assume that every intelligent civilisation will be a technological one.

The Author's Solution

Webb makes clear at the beginning that in assessing the probabilities of ETCs developing, he is looking only at life "as we know it, Jim": based on carbon and liquid water. He acknowledges that there may be other forms of life, but since we know nothing about this, there is no basis even for speculating what it might be capable of. Anyway, that doesn't affect the basic problem that we have detected no indications of any forms of life.

Webb's conclusion, based on the arguments raised in the last section, is that we can't detect any ETCs because there aren't any – at least in our galaxy. (There are estimated to be hundreds of billions of galaxies in the universe, but the difficulties of communication and travel escalate by orders of magnitude if we try to include them; our own galaxy is big enough to grapple with!)

His view is that our complete failure to identify any signs of life elsewhere, when all the logic of Fermi's paradox suggests that there should be countless ETCs out there, probably with successive waves of expansion affecting the Earth, has only one feasible explanation – that we are alone. He works through several steps to justify this. First, he estimates that star systems in the galactic habitable zone make up only about 20% of those in the galaxy. Next, stars like our sun are needed to develop life as we know it; they make up only about 5% of the total. So we are down to only 1% of stars being suitable. Thirdly, a terrestrial planet needs to remain in an orbit within the continuously habitable zone for billions of years. He guesstimates that applies to perhaps only 0.1% of all planets (assuming 10 planets per star, that's 1% of the suitable stars). We are now down to about ten million such planets in our galaxy.

Now we switch from the potential for life to its actuality. How many of these ten million will support life? Webb guesstimates maybe half a million, of which 20% might suffer catastrophic extinctions; now we have 400,000. Factor in the number on which life progresses to the complex multicellular eukaryotic stage – he suggests one in forty – and we're down to 10,000. Then apply factors for tool use, high-level intelligence and complex language – and Webb believes we're left with just one; us.

Your Reviewer's Conclusion

Webb puts forward a well-reasoned case to explain why we might have the only technological civilisation in the galaxy. However, I still find his conclusion improbable. Obviously, this is purely a matter of subjective opinion – emotional prejudice, if you wish – as there is no hard evidence one way or the other. It is just that faced with the early development of life on Earth and its tenacity in colonising every possible environmental niche and developing a myriad forms of increasing complexity, I find it impossible to accept that, among the billions of star systems, we might be in the only one to have produced a technological civilisation.

My conclusion goes part-way with Webb, in that I think that while life may be very common, complex animal life may be very much less so; beings intelligent enough to develop technology far less still; and the actual development of a technological civilisation extremely rare. Just look at the history of our planet; simple monocellular life seems to have occurred quite early, perhaps less than a billion years after Earth's formation. But the oldest evidence for complex animals comes almost three billion years later. These rapidly developed to dinosaur levels of complexity, but then stagnated for hundreds of millions of years. Finally, through sheer luck, humanity evolved, but the earliest hominims were around for several million years before modern humans arrived about 200,000 years ago; and for 95% of those 200,000 years, our ancestors did nothing but live in hunter-gatherer packs, like clever animals. Our technological civilisation is the result of a long series of improbable accidents.

As a result of studying Webb's arguments, I am more pessimistic than I used to be about the chances of other ETCs developing. However, given that there are calculated to be 100 billion stars in our galaxy (that's 100,000,000,000), even if our planet was literally "one in a million" in producing a technological civilisation, that still works out as 100,000 ETCs. So where are they? The answer I favour is "not here now". Two different timescales need to be borne in mind: the age of the galaxy, and the probable lifespan of an ETC. Our own star is around 4.5 billion years old, compared with the average for our galaxy of 6.5 billion years (the oldest star being over 13 billion). So if we assume that it takes 4.5 billion years after star formation to produce a technological civilisation (the only example we've got), that means that other stars average a two billion year advantage over us – lots of time to produce a huge range of ETCs. But how long can these ETCs be expected to last?

Just consider our situation again. We achieved the theoretical capability to communicate with other star systems only within the last century. Only half a century after that, we came dangerously close to wiping out our civilisation in a global thermonuclear war. Many scientists fear that over the next century or two we will have devastated our global environment to such a degree that our civilisation will collapse, giving us only a few centuries of possessing advanced technology. By definition, any civilisation with the technology capable of communicating with ETCs will develop the potential to destroy itself, one way or another. So perhaps ETCs just don't last very long. Suppose that the average is 1,000 years; multiply that by the nominal 100,000 ETCs mentioned above, and you get a total of 100 million "ETC years". Compare that with the 2 billion year average time advantage the galaxy's stars have over our sun, and you will see that an ETC will have been in existence for only about five percent of the last two billion years. So at any given moment there may be only a one-in-twenty chance of a single ETC existing anywhere in this galaxy. And no ETC would have the time to spread very far even if it wanted to; possibly none would ever manage to establish itself on another star system.

This is, of course, speculation built on speculation, but with a grand total to date of just one known example of a life-bearing planet to go on, that is bound to be the case. My vision is this: imagine if a camera could have been sited over our galaxy, filming continuously for the last few billion years, and recording each ETC as a bright flash. Then replay the film in quick time. I think we would see a huge number of ETCs sparkling all over the galaxy, from two billion years ago to the present. But slow the film down, and we may see only one flash at a time, with long pauses between them. Occasionally we might see two or more flashes occurring simultaneously, but on average they would be so far apart that communication between them would be highly improbable.

Webb didn't mention the Gamma Ray Burster problem in his conclusion, but if our galaxy is blasted by one every hundred million years or so, clearly many of the above calculations become rather academic. That could explain the silence all by itself.

And another thing…

A further point may limit the number of ETCs likely to be in existence at any one time. If an ETC is established on a planet and fails, for any of the reasons mentioned above, it may prove to be the one and only chance that planet ever has to establish an ETC. To understand why, just imagine the outcome if our present civilisation collapsed, leaving what would inevitably be a relatively small number of survivors existing at a subsistence level. Unless the environment had become irrevocably hostile to humanity, it is reasonable to suppose that some kind of recovery could be made, based on utilising organic resources such as wood to make carts, ploughs etc. The problem would arise with the switch to the mineral-based economy (metal processing and fuel) which, as far as we are aware, is needed to achieve an ETC – because the easily accessible mineral deposits have mostly been exhausted. Even if our unfortunate successors knew where the remaining oil or metal ore deposits could be found, they would be unable to reach them without the advanced technology we deploy. It would be a classic Catch-22; they couldn't develop a technological civilisation without advanced technology! Perhaps they would find a different, non-mineral, route to a more sophisticated level of civilisation, but it seems highly unlikely that this would result in the technology needed to communicate with ETCs, let alone travel to them.

SF is full of beautiful dreams about humanity spreading through the galaxy and meeting other technological civilisations (or nightmares if they turn out to be hostile). Sadly, these are looking increasingly like fantasy rather than SF. I hope this is wrong, and that SETI will discover proof of ETCs, but I'm more pessimistic than I used to be.

(An extract from my SFF blog)
 
I look at it as a problem of two civilizations reaching the point of interstellar communication at the same time. There may have been hundreds of ETC's that reached that point and then faded away over the last 100 million years. They may have developed a different way of communication, Ansible?, Tachyon?. They may be observing us to see if we survive to reach a technological/sociological point where they would contact us. Remember if we were using our current technology to look for ourselves we would only detect tranmissions since the early 40's.

I am a early member of Seti@home but I realize that the chances are very small unless another species puts up a Banner/Communcation "we were here" that runs for millions of years.
 
The answer is "they are here" and they are too advanced for us to communicate with of our own volition. I hesitate to speculate on alien psychology: a "good" race might have something akin to prime directive, a "bad" race might not think we are even worth conquering, an "astoundingly advanced" race might not even realize/care (kind of like how we don't notice ants). The simple fact is we don't know and have no way of knowing. It might be some combination of all 3 by some kind of galactic accord...


But consider that every 10 years of scientific investigation yields a roughly 2 fold technological increase. 500 years difference yields a 1125899906842624 fold difference in technology. That is of course presuming that rate of technological increase remains constant (no increase or decrease). Yes, dark ages happen. But so does renaissance (quantum computing might give us yet another renaissance).


Now when you consider that a billion years or so worth of life could have happened before us that is a lot of time to account for. We live in a fairly remote portion of our galaxy. The stars that are even close can't support any kind of life we are familiar with. And the decades of communication we have sent out hasn't gotten to anything remotely interesting. It is very possible that our nearest "galactic neighbors" are much further away.

This leaves us with the question of: Why aren't we seeing any signals? If someone is in a position like us, then they could be on the other side of the galaxy entirely from us and the amount of time it takes for the signals to get here means that the signal is still coming. And as far as their FTL communication/drives... how would we even know what to look for? They could be using quantum improbability drives driven by mind force... Does anyone have any idea what kind of effects engineering of that sort entails? Heck, even if something was "relatively" close to us, there is no reason to think that diffuse communication would remain intact (space dust could be in the way), and communication just slightly more advanced than ours might take on more direct methods (laser/maser)...


Also consider some of the flaws in the Drake Equation: the rates and variability of planetary creation are pure guesswork at this point; the stars near a galactic core are far less likely to be habitable (hot, highly radioactive stars/area of space), and that doesn't even touch on what seems to be the case as most recent scientific advances have found that planetary systems like earth's solar system may not be all that common.

So the number of organic planets might very well be only a few hundred in our galaxy... and the number of planets which held OR hold intelligent life a handful. Amongst those we might not be in a position to receive anything from their days when they were close to our level of technology, and we are not in a position to detect anything of 100 year tech advantage or greater.

MTF
 
If an ETC is established on a planet and fails, for any of the reasons mentioned above, it may prove to be the one and only chance that planet ever has to establish an ETC. To understand why, just imagine the outcome if our present civilisation collapsed, leaving what would inevitably be a relatively small number of survivors existing at a subsistence level. Unless the environment had become irrevocably hostile to humanity, it is reasonable to suppose that some kind of recovery could be made, based on utilising organic resources such as wood to make carts, ploughs etc. The problem would arise with the switch to the mineral-based economy (metal processing and fuel) which, as far as we are aware, is needed to achieve an ETC – because the easily accessible mineral deposits have mostly been exhausted. Even if our unfortunate successors knew where the remaining oil or metal ore deposits could be found, they would be unable to reach them without the advanced technology we deploy. It would be a classic Catch-22; they couldn't develop a technological civilisation without advanced technology! Perhaps they would find a different, non-mineral, route to a more sophisticated level of civilisation, but it seems highly unlikely that this would result in the technology needed to communicate with ETCs, let alone travel to them.

so what has happened to all the minerals we extracted and refined?
there is far more around on the surface than we've thrown up into space.
if neolithic man can work out how to work bronze, and bronze age man can work out how to work iron, then I'm sure these survivors can either find a source of ore or scrap to get them back to technology
 
so what has happened to all the minerals we extracted and refined?
there is far more around on the surface than we've thrown up into space.
if neolithic man can work out how to work bronze, and bronze age man can work out how to work iron, then I'm sure these survivors can either find a source of ore or scrap to get them back to technology

The basic metal needed for the industrial revolution was iron. Yes, there's lots of iron and steel on the surface, but they have a tendency to rust away...Other metals also oxidise over time. So the amount of salvageable scrap around will depend on how long it will be before the survivors are ready to move beyond the basic subsistence level. That can't be predicted as it will depend entirely on the circumstances.

And using scrap doesn't help with the lack of accessible coal and oil.
 
'Where Are They ??'

Yeah, that seems a fair treatment of the possibilities.

IMHO, there's also the 'Horse Latitudes' effect...

IIRC, Sol and 'local loop' are in a low-density bubble blown by an inconveniently close super-nova.

Assuming that 'c' limit and unobtanium stay that way, travel techniques seem limited to star-wisp, Daedalus' pulse and coast, or the constant-boost 'Bussard' ram-jet. Latter may be the only way to travel in style.

But, if you look at the interstellar densities, the gas within our bubble is far too thin for a practicable 'Bussard' to break-even, while the galactic region outside has about the right density...

IIRC, there's also a denser, if incomplete shell along the shock-wave's front. That would offer the equivalent of 'Trade Winds' to any space-faring culture on those arcs...

Meanwhile, we're stuck in the doldrums. Given a quarter-turn of the galaxy, a modest time geologically, Sol will have swung out of the bubble, and be accessible to such craft. That's assuming there's anything or anyone left to care...

Um, what happens when all easily accessible iron is mined out? Assuming we're still planet-bound, we'd have to resort to light alloys-- Aluminium from bauxite sands replenished by weathering from volcanoes, magnesium etc from salts extraction.

IIRC, bio-concentration should be able to retrieve useful iron from trace, eg GM reed-beds harvesting 'rusty streams', dry, coke & smelt.

And, as for the Ancients, some iron will continue to fall from the sky...

Some of the 'Palladium' group should be available by condensing volcanic vapours from several 'odd' Siberian RingOfFire fumaroles...
 
Slightly OT but relevant...

Creating the astro-comb to locate Earth-like planets

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Right now standard spectroscopy techniques can determine star movements to within a few meters per second (m/sec). In tests, the Harvard researchers are now able to calculate star velocity shifts of less than 1 m/sec, allowing them to more accurately pinpoint the planet's location.

Smithsonian researcher David Phillips says that he and his colleagues expect to reach a velocity resolution of 60 cm/sec, and maybe even 1 cm/sec, which when applied to the activities of large telescopes presently under construction, would open new possibilities in astronomy and astrophysics, including simpler detection of more Earth-like planets.
/quote

Of course, if ETs look for cosy face-locked, tidal-warmed, terran-sized moons around gas-giants around red-dwarf stars, they'd ignore us completely...
;-)
 
Um, what happens when all easily accessible iron is mined out? Assuming we're still planet-bound, we'd have to resort to light alloys-- Aluminium from bauxite sands replenished by weathering from volcanoes, magnesium etc from salts extraction.

IIRC, bio-concentration should be able to retrieve useful iron from trace, eg GM reed-beds harvesting 'rusty streams', dry, coke & smelt.

And, as for the Ancients, some iron will continue to fall from the sky...

Some of the 'Palladium' group should be available by condensing volcanic vapours from several 'odd' Siberian RingOfFire fumaroles...
If we're looking at a collapsed, subsistence-level civilisation then they're not going to be developing GM plants - and where would they get the vast amount of power to extract aluminium from bauxite?
 
These future survivors will be overjoyed when they discover their ancestors had the foresight to create giant reserves of materials, cleverly buried in easily accessible locations all over the world. We'll be regarded as the Wonderful People Who Left Us All This Stuff.

In fact, they'll have a hard time figuring out why we dedicated our civilisation to creating these giant reserves.
 
There was an article in Scientific American about 10 years ago, written by a couple of NASA scientists (yes, Esmeralda - this is rocket science), on the subject of future star travel.

Their view was, that within 1000 years, using extensions of existing technology, humans would be able to travel to other star systems at 0.1 to 0.2 of light speed.

If we assume the lower figure, and assume that the time to accelerate to 0.1c is 10 years, and a similar time to decelerate back to zero, then it would take a space vehicle 55 years to reach our next nearest star - alpha Centauri.

I do not believe this to be anywhere near impossible. Nor do I believe that humanity will lack volunteers for such a trip. Quite the contrary. The vehicle would have to be very large, and rotating for artificial gravity, to take a community so far.

Not do I believe that a habitable planet is needed at the final destination. A civilisation representing humanity in 1000 years will have advanced technology - enough to convert even space debris into new space habitats, and use minerals and water from comets, asteroids, moons etc to provide all the resources needed for life. In due course, the first explorers to alpha Centauri would create new habitats capable of crossing interstellar space.

If we then calculate how long it would take our advanced civilisation to colonise the entire galaxy, then depending on which assumptions we use, the figure is somewhere between a million and 10 million years. This is also how long an extraterrestrial civilisation would take to colonise the entire galaxy.

About 10% of the star systems in our galaxy are about 2 billion years older than our own. That means that 10% of any hypothetical extraterrestrial civilisations will have had a 2 billion year head start. If they take 10 million years to colonise the entire galaxy, then we have to conclude that they have had heaps of time to do it.

A billion years ago, any expanding ET would have found Earth very appealing. Primitive life. Oxygen atmosphere. No indigenous intelligences to compete for space. Yet clearly no such intelligence ever landed and colonised.

We have recovered 500 million year old fossils of jellyfish - an animal soft and extraordinarily hard to preserve. Yet we have never recovered so much as the ET equivalent of a coke bottle. Why is this?
 
"Yet we have never recovered so much as the ET equivalent of a coke bottle. Why is this ?"

There's several easy answers, even excluding 'What ETs ?':

First, we might not recognise such an artifact if we saw it, aka 'OutOfContext Error'.

Second, ET may have picked up their trash, carefully restricted disturbance to places that would be eg subducted and 'swept under the rug'.

Third, statistically, fossilisation of any given individual is vanishingly rare. Only the sheer number of critturs dying in so many sudden ways has left us any traces...

When we get out among the stars, and *still* nothing turns up, no probes, wrecks etc, well, after a few milennia, we might then shrug...
 
To Nik
Re ET coke bottle.

First, I think we are sophisticated enough to recognise an alien artifact as being 'out of place' in some ancient rock stratum. We may not know what it is, or what it does, but we will know it is weird.

Second : Re rarity of such items. I am assuming that, over 2 billion years, that ET has not just visited the Earth, but set up habitation. We know from looking at just one city landfill of the human variety that the amount of material is likely to be massive. Fossilisation is rare - sure. However, a colony of ET's on Earth would have left lots of stuff that is not readily degraded, and would easily fossilise.

My conclusion is that any visit by ET any time in the last 2 billion years would have to be fleeting, and very careful, to make sure all the trash was picked up. It appears obvious that no colony ever was set up, and that probably means no visitors, since the Earth, after the appearance of an oxygen atmosphere, would have been such a plum for colonisation.

Another line of thought. If we look at semi-intelligent life on Earth, we get an enormous variety of forms. These range from squid and octopus, to crows and parrots, to cetaceans, to carnivores, and to apes. And all these organisms share a common ancestry and many genes.

Imagine what the range of intelligent beings in the wider galaxy would be like! The enormous range of forms, ways of life, ecological niches, habitats, and psychologies. Since they do not share genes, or common evolution, the range would be probably beyond current human capacity to imagine.

Now assume that intelligent and civilised life is common in the galaxy. The enormous range of ways of thinking and capabilities means that every approach to living in the galaxy would be tried. Among that number, there would have to be a few good survivors who were aggressively expansionist. Simple probability would dictate this.

So where are they? Since it would take no more than 10 million years to colonise the entire galaxy to overpopulation, why are there no signs of that species and its civilisation?

My personal explanation runs alongside that of Stephen Webb. That is : intelligent life is rare in our galaxy. There must have been very few, even over 100 billion star systems and 6 billion years of time.
 
"Yet we have never recovered so much as the ET equivalent of a coke bottle. Why is this ?"

There's several easy answers, even excluding 'What ETs ?':

First, we might not recognise such an artifact if we saw it, aka 'OutOfContext Error'.
there are plenty of OOPArts and some of them could be ET's "coke bottle" but using Occam's Razor we rule out aliens and put them on the back burner until better examination techniques are developed to work out who made them and where they came from.

Second, ET may have picked up their trash, carefully restricted disturbance to places that would be eg subducted and 'swept under the rug'.
good point and anything they didn't dispose of is covered in point 1

Third, statistically, fossilisation of any given individual is vanishingly rare. Only the sheer number of critturs dying in so many sudden ways has left us any traces...
very true. in all the years that archaeologists have been digging up dinosaur bones, only 30 Tyranosaurus skeletons have been found and they were around for about 2 million years

When we get out among the stars, and *still* nothing turns up, no probes, wrecks etc, well, after a few milennia, we might then shrug...
there is also the chance that their home planet has a gravity field that prohibited flight, let alone space travel.
 
IMHO, we're within a decade of tech that could completely recycle *all* waste. Already, IIRC, there's plans for plasma-combustion facilities. 'Tame Grey Goo' nano-machines are not too far beyond. Then, building a 'melt down' self-destruct mode into disposables is almost trivial...

I'd also suggest that any space-faring society that lacked 'fast track' FTL must, perforce, recycle like crazy.

I agree with the caution on 'weird stuff': I remember the fuss over the preCambrian Edicarian finds, and the chagrin when fossils from several 'obviously different' species were eventually found to belong to same crittur...

Um, given the way a lot of our tech is becoming increasingly 'organic', and our environment is considered 'exceptionally metal-rich', an ET's discarded tech simply might not endure.

Other possibilities, I suppose, include anaerobic ETs trying to eliminate the mutant 'blue-green algae' that was pumping out toxic oxygen, but when even pounding the planet with big rocks etc failed...
 
To Nik
Re ET coke bottle.

First, I think we are sophisticated enough to recognise an alien artifact as being 'out of place' in some ancient rock stratum. We may not know what it is, or what it does, but we will know it is weird.

Second : Re rarity of such items. I am assuming that, over 2 billion years, that ET has not just visited the Earth, but set up habitation. We know from looking at just one city landfill of the human variety that the amount of material is likely to be massive. Fossilisation is rare - sure. However, a colony of ET's on Earth would have left lots of stuff that is not readily degraded, and would easily fossilise.

Relevant text italicized and in bold:

1) We are no where near sophisticated enough to recognize anything of the sort. The difference 500 years of technology makes given a 2 fold increase every 10 years is astronomical. A million year difference is so large I couldn't write it properly without scientific notation (it would take up my whole page). Could you recognize an extra-dimensional pocket if you saw one?

2) Why should ET do anything of the sort? Or rather why would they setup conventional habtitation? Perhaps ET enjoys the 5th dimension better?

3) Humans aren't very good examples of aliens no are they?

4) So when all my technology is semi-organic or incorporated into the environment itself it wouldn't be set to bio-degrade or be incorporated into the genome proper? Thats a heck of an assumption that ET with a 500 or more year tech advantage on us wouldn't want the most efficient and least environmentally interferring technology possible.


MTF
 
Planet hunter speaks out...

The Crowded Universe

quote:
"A new space race is under way," Boss says at the outset of his book. The contestants in this race are NASA's Kepler mission and Europe's CoRoT (Convection, Rotation and Planetary Transits) mission, both of which have the potential to detect the first Earth-like planet around a distant star.

Boss is betting that together these spacecrafts will find not one but many Earths. He writes:

"If this bold assertion is proved correct by Kepler and CoRoT, the implications will be staggering indeed: it will suggest that life on other worlds is not only inevitable but widespread. We will know that we cannot be alone in the universe."

Mission control
Despite Boss' confidence in their success, Kepler and CoRoT did not start out as sure things. After the watershed detection of the first extrasolar planet in 1995, "the exclusive club of planet finders became increasingly crowded," and space agencies began seriously considering missions that would extend the planet search into space.
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Um, I still remember when NO extra-solar planets were known and, worse, the few possible candidates suggested by tiny shifts on photographs turned out to be instrument artifacts.

Then there came HotJupiters, then came the 'zoo' extending down to 'giant earth' mass...

(Funny, I remember the very first 'planet formation' simulations published in eg Icarus journal routinely produced such zoos. IIRC, code was hastily tweaked to provide tidy, SolSystem-like arrangements-- At least occasionally !! I was really upset when our city's Central Library decimated the tech-journal subscriptions... )

I really, really hope the Euro-launcher flies okay. Could be a generation before any-one dares build another 'Great Observatory' if this flight fails...
 
it would be far better to build an optical interferometry telescope array in orbit and give it such a massive baseline that an earth sized planet would be visible.
build annother array in a matching orbit on the other side of the Earth and you might even be able to see signs of life on the surface of an Earth sized planet.

and just think of the pictures you'd get of distant galaxies and nebula
they'd blow the Hubble pictures out of the water
 
"Where is everybody?"

Well fortunately the Vresh are now on "Twitter"... I'm a follower, their latest tweet says "In Jupiter Space. We are coming. Die Earthlings Die."

So I'm in my Mazerater Beam proof shelter as I write this. Oh here come's another tweet, it says "Beware of what you wish for."

Bye.....
 
Maybe this really is the unfashionable arm of the galaxy and no one's deigned to come here?
 

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