About Bran (Spoilers)

[Landroval]

My initial instinct about Bran was that he was going to be crucial to the story and indeed to Westeros. I felt he had a kind of Frodoish destiny. However I now suspect that GRRM may have changed his mind over Bran, or at least relegated his importance. It's 15 years since the first book was published and I fear that GRRM may be influenced by the greater apparent popularity of other characters such as Tyrion and Danys. I hope not though, because, for me, Bran's tale helps elevate the whole story from a soap operific politico-military game into something more epic and more fantastic.

 

[viZion]

Bran's tale helps elevate the whole story from a soap operific politico-military game into something more epic and more fantastic.

And more boring. And whiny. Don't forget those two.

We all have our jobs on this forum. Mine is to complain about Bran's chapters.

 

[Caledor]

Bran has more of a fantasy style storyline that I personally like to read and I try to view it as its own story. Sansa though... now theres a few chapters worth skipping over. I see Bran as being a liason between the children of the forest and Jon in the next book. Once things really start to get going along the wall, Bran will show up with a ton of obsidian (dragon glass i think its called in the book) weapons as well as being a warg trained by the children of the forest.

 

[whiskeyntattoos]

Bran will join the others, jon snow will kill him

 

[TK-421]

Landroval: Don't get put off by Viz' whine about a whiner. It gets old fast

Whiskey: Bran would never do such a thing. Take it back!!!

 

[whiskeyntattoos]

I think Jon is AA so he has to kill someone he loves either Arya, or Bran so long claw become ...light bringer?
the best I can hope for TK is that Bran can pass his spirit into animals/hodor and have legs so maybe he doesn't have to in the same broken body for the rest of the series

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

Whiskey-

If John's going to turn Long Claw into Lightbringer, doesn't it have to break twice before he tempers it in the heart of someone he loves? Does saving Mormont really count as being reborn amidst 'smoke and salt'? Smoke sure, but salt?

Not to turn this into another AA thread, but doesn't Dany make way more sense for the role?

 

[whiskeyntattoos]

but are AA and the prince that was promised the same thing?

if AA was suppose to be reborn in salt and smoke, wouldn't we already know it is dany if it was her that happened to her in book one and i can see her being a great ruler but she is small not wielding a flaming sword cutting down others i just cant see her being a warrior that would be 3 more books of describing her training or would we be expected to believe she picks up and sword and knows the craft when GRRM has spent 3 books teaching her to rule.

i have been treating what i know about AA seperate from the targ prince/princess

why would the sword have to break twice that was when the first AA was trying to make lightbringer i think whoever will be AA will be thrust into it or in the heat of battle

and the part about the sword breaking twice why can't it be the man holding the sword that breaks he changed when he kill the half-hand, he was broken in a sense


i really have no idea though , it is known

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

In ancient books of Asshai it is written that there will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him.

When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt.

I guess my read on this (and i'm not sure if it's a majority opinion around here or not) is that Dany is AA and her dragons are her metaphorical sword. She tried twice to bring them to life unsuccessfully before she finally succeeded by trading her husbands life for them (sound familiar?). She was born on Dragonstone, amidst 'smoke and salt' if anything ever was. And, more importantly, she was reborn amidst the smoke of a Drogo's fire with salt tears on her cheek.

I think you're likely correct that Dany won't be down in the thick of it swinging a sword ahead of her soldiers, but she damn sure intends to be riding into battle on Drogon's back unleashing holy hell from above.

Everything lines up so nicely for her to be AA reborn, I have a hard time looking for more obscure ways the prophecy could have bee fulfilled when it's all so clean with Dany.

 

[Koopa]

Given that the Faceless men may be enemies of the Dragonlords, Arya may become an enemy to Dany. With a possible romance blooming between Jon and Dany at that point in time, Dany may find herself bertrayed by Jon when he rescues Arya from a possible death by Dany. Different roads lead to the same castle after all.

 

[whiskeyntattoos]

first of all sorry i think i have turned this into a AA thread but we are in the heat of it now so....

i guess i just read that prophecy as there is going to be an actual sword and a warrior i dont feel that she has met the requirements of AA maybe GRRM wants us to believe that she is but my opinion is that the long summer has just ended in ASOS, winter is coming in the last chapter of AFFC, so i dont feel that the cold breath of darkness has fallen on the world (the others rise lots of bodies littering the ground from war i just dont feel that the world has even been close to a dread hour when they think all is lost )

the part about when the stars bleed (i interpreted this part as the fall of the sparrows/the seven pointed star to be butchered not one comet that is red)

now to my feelings on smoke and salt ... salt i would say is the iron men and maybe smoke is used like the term smoke and mirrors an old magicians term meaning to hide the truth or make something look more appealing than it is now by chance john is on the wall with a sorceress who is already controlling stannis she is capible of controlling john too maybe dupeing him into thinking she is ygritte or something and he kills Mel lets call her (fire) and when the blade is pulled out it is aflame who knows .. i dont think we will find out till the 6th book Winds of Winter?? who really is AA


edit:Aztec god Tezcatlipoca (lit. “Smoking Mirror”) for whom the hearts of huge numbers of human sacrificial victims were regularly cut out