You know its coming. who gets the Axe? [SPOILERS]

[Rfred]

The one thing i am most concerned about is who is martin going to wack? We know most all of the POVs but definately someone is going to die. Someone important. I'm not talking about the obvious ones here. I mean the ones that made your stomach drop. Like rob, ned(kinda saw it coming but still), when I thought the hound seriously threw an axe at Arya?
But seriously who's it gonna be? Some champion of the good guys mercilessly cut down just when victory is in reach? Barristan selmy takin an assassins blade for dany? Sam choking on a ham sandwich? Arya stepping into busy Bravos street traffic? You better believe he's gonna shatter our dreams and expectations. There are so many solid(sorta) theorys on this forum about where the plot just has to go but all things considered, we've left out the Martin factor.

 

[Ursa major]

Re: You know its coming. who gets the Axe?

Not that I want to encourage Mr Martin**, but I suspect the death of Tyrion would perhaps have as great an impact as most.

I also suspect that each time we are persuaded to like Jaime a bit more, his chances of making it beyond the last page of the last book decrease.



** - I definitely don't want Tyrion to go.

 

[TK-421]

Re: You know its coming. who gets the Axe?

I'm sure we've done this before but my skills at finding these threads could not conjure it up except for this one on who some of us would want to see die because we dislike them:

Most Hated (Major) Character

Two characters I am convinced will die at the hands of women close to them:
Stannis
Littlefinger

 

[The Imp]

Re: You know its coming. who gets the Axe?

The one thing i am most concerned about is who is martin going to wack? We know most all of the POVs but definately someone is going to die. Someone important. I'm not talking about the obvious ones here. I mean the ones that made your stomach drop. Like rob, ned(kinda saw it coming but still), when I thought the hound seriously threw an axe at Arya?
But seriously who's it gonna be? Some champion of the good guys mercilessly cut down just when victory is in reach? Barristan selmy takin an assassins blade for dany? Sam choking on a ham sandwich? Arya stepping into busy Bravos street traffic? You better believe he's gonna shatter our dreams and expectations. There are so many solid(sorta) theorys on this forum about where the plot just has to go but all things considered, we've left out the Martin factor.

PLEASE put a spoiler alert in your posts and perhaps a large space between the warning andc the spoiler. It would be really tragic if someone who hadn't gotten to the Red Wedding stumbled upon this post. Thanks

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

Re: You know its coming. who gets the Axe?

I'll be very surprised if Stannis makes it through ADwD.

TK, I think you're right that Littlefinger likely won't make it to the end of the series (though he'll make it through ADwD if only by virtue of his absence. I don't know that anyone will particularly miss him, as, to me at least, he falls into the 'deserves what's coming to him' category as opposed to the 'oh my god I can't believe _______ didn't make it'

I think there's no way Jaime survives killing his sister by too long. He'll get an honorable death though (and it'll get a touch dusty in my room whenever it happens).

I think we're in for a few Greyjoy deaths. Theon won't make it out of ADwD (though I wouldn't be surprised if Martin's rehabilitated him a touch by the time he bites it) and I think Asha isn't long for this world either.

 

[TK-421]

Re: You know its coming. who gets the Axe?

Spoiler:

Spoiler

With the latest revelation by GRRM on the number of Davos chapters in ADWD, I fear for his future as well.

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

Re: You know its coming. who gets the Axe?

Bran only had four chapter in ASoS. I don't know how much we can surmise about a characters fate based on number of chapters...

 

[Boaz]

Re: You know its coming. who gets the Axe?

I can state with complete confidence that Aerys II, Rhaegar, and Arthur Dayne will remain dead.

Other than that, I'm not too sure what will happen. I believe that Jaime, Stannis, Baelish, Cersei, Jorah, and Jon will die.

I've stated before that Martin irrevocably hooked me in AGOT, when you-know-who died. No, I'm not talking about Voldemort.

 

[Culhwch]

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Spoiler:

Spoiler

With the latest revelation by GRRM on the number of Davos chapters in ADWD, I fear for his future as well.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Also will add a general spoiler warning to the title of this here thread...

 

[Boaz]

Power to the Mod.

And by the way, I just discovered that when I tilt the screen of my laptop backwards... oh, from ninety degrees open to about 120 degrees open... that the secret words magically appear on my screen.

On topic... I cannot believe that Cersei, Littlefinger, and Euron will not get theirs before the final page. Martin's sense of justice should carry to these three, in my opinion.

 

[TK-421]

Re: You know its coming. who gets the Axe?

Bran only had four chapter in ASoS. I don't know how much we can surmise about a characters fate based on number of chapters...

Well, we are already one of his chapters, so I am thinking (Spoiler):

Spoiler

Davos' first chapter is him shipwrecked on the island.

The second would be him arriving in White Harbour.

The third could be him loosing his head.

I don't want it to happen. Davos is one of my favourite POV's, but as GRRM said: "I need to kill some ******* characters."

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

Spoilers? I'm not sure... It's mostly supposition...

If Davos' head is really atop a wall in White Harbor, it seems incredibly clumsy for that to be revealed in a Cersei chapter years before and hundreds of miles away. I think it's so clunky story telling wise, just completely undercutting whatever drama is there, that it actually argues that there's more going on there then meets the eye. (which isn't the say Davos won't escape White Harbor only to killed in the next chapter by a bunch of iron borne or something).

And lets not forget, one of our guiding lights in evaluating truth here is the CIAW therom (Cersei Is Always Wrong). She's convinced she has the Manderley's in her back pocket and Davos' head on spike. Do any of us really find ourselves arguing that the queen reagent has correctly evaluated the situation?

And I really don't think Davos would get his head chopped off in his own chapter. No POV character has died in their own POV thus far and until that pattern is broken I think we ought to assume that it will hold. So who else would be in position to see what goes down in White Harbor? Asha and Reek/Theon (prime candidates for a good stabbing or two themselves) seem like they'd be the only real candidates... am I missing somebody?

Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that Martin has a habit of doubling up story elements (Loras is the young Jaime, Beric and Cat slain by Lannister treachery and revived by R'Hollor, etc), we've already done the kill some nobodies cover them in tar and pretend they're important people thing. It wouldn't be at all surprising for us to see the same trick again.

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

I'm expecting some deaths from in Mereene, just because we seem to have a surfeit of POVs headed there which will expedite the killing off of some folks... how many people do we really need with eyes on Dany?

 

[Boaz]

Well... there's Jorah, Daario, and Irri for starters... oh, but none of them have POVs.

As for the POV folk... Tyrion and Victarion will both have their eyes on Dany. Quentyn is not a POV (yet) so I don't know 'bout him, but I'm pretty sure Loras won't have his eyes on Dany... Quentyn, mayhaps?

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

Quentyn, Tyrion, Victarion, and Dany makes four POVs there... which seems like an awful lot. Dany seems likely to make to the end (not survive the end, but at least to be there)... but I can easily imagine easily imagine any of the rest biting it...

Quentyn could get the the Ser Arys treatment, from the chapter summary it's not hard to imagine him doing something really stupid because honor demanded it... say challenging Victarion.

On the other hand, we do have a bunch of Greyjoy POVs floating around (four of them), so it might be time to winnow that a bit...

I don't even want to think about Tyrion going the way of all flesh. That's unquestionably the worst outcome conceivable in ADwD. But, sadly, I do think that our favorite misshapen dwarf won't see the end of the series and we should probably prepare ourselves for that... *sigh*

 

[Boaz]

Illifer, are you tired of debunking my ideas? I mentioned Loras going to Mereen and you did nothing!!!

In AGOT, at one time we had four POVs for KL... Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, and Arya. In AFFC there were three simultaneous POVs for the Iron Islands.

As for everyone's favorite dwarf... In ADOS, I could envision Podrick saying, "Alas, poor Tyrion. I knew him, Tommen. A fellow of infinite jest... of most excellent fancy."

 

[Ursa major]

* Hopes Boaz is playing the "Boaz is rarely right" card in support of Tyrion's survivial. *

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

I've feel like I've been hammering the contrarian card a bit much lately. I feel like everything TK's posted lately I've been like 'yeah, but...' So considering we've had the Loras visiting Dany conversation already, I figured I'd try to back off some. I think you're almost certainly wrong, but whatever. We'll find out when we see the book.

also I'm jsut basking the glory(?) of being right about there only being one Mel chapter.

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

In AGOT, at one time we had four POVs for KL... Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, and Arya.

Refresh my memory, did all four of those POVs survive that book? I seem to recall something important happening in KL, but I can't quite put my finger on it...

In AFFC there were three simultaneous POVs for the Iron Islands.

There were also three simultaneous POVs in Dorne, but one of them ended up getting axed. [*rim shot*]

I do believe that we've got a surfeit of Iron Islanders and fully expect that to be winnowed a bit going forward (two dead Greyjoys, and i'd be shocked if Theon isn't one them).

I don't expect all my intuition to be right about this stuff. But it seems like the best plan for predicting deaths is figuring out where we'll have multiple POVs in one place; because, as the series has been structured thus far, we need somebody to witness the deaths, and, at that point, the POVs become redundant from a story telling perspective covering the same ground, giving us a view of the same events.

But then again, maybe I've just identified a totally fallacious pattern...

 

[Rfred]

My sincerest appologies for not posting this as a spoiler thread. And thank you to whomever fixed that for us.

So I've got a hunch the biggest slayers of main characters are gonna be the ladies. 1 the sandsnakes followed by arya and dany. These willful sisters are gonna f up everything once they get busy in westeros. All of them are angry, all of them are vengeful and all of them have deaths to avenge

Are there any threads on the sandsnakes yet?