Steampunk Fantasy. First two scenes rewritten.

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Rufus Coppertop

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Any feedback welcome, particularly regarding likability of characters and likelihood that you would keep reading.


CHAPTER I

Where Nathan and Donald’s school holiday begins and promises to be a bit of a worry.

Nathan spotted Rufina crossing the cobblestones. She was about a block and a half away.

Hoping to catch her, he took off, sprinting past the temple of Ares, the hardware shop and the police tower.

With boots pounding on the pavement, he was charging towards the corner when a gaggle of robed figures spilled out of the alchemists’ guild house ahead.

“Look out!” he cried and tried to stop.

He skidded on the pavement and overbalanced.

Plunging forward, he flung out his hands to break his fall as the largest of them caught him.

“Good morning, Master Entwhistle,” said the alchemist, steadying him.

“Morning sir!” Nathan panted, recovering his balance. He glanced at the corner and saw that Rufina had already disappeared. “Sorry sir! Thank you!” he said and took off again.

“It’s only a quarter past eight, you know!” the alchemist called after him as he reached the corner.

And there she was in her green bustle dress, pausing to admire the fashions in a clothing shop window.

Nathan leaned against a fluted lamp post and took a few deep breaths as a steam lorry went by. He called out to her and sauntered across the street.

She looked around as he approached and waited for him.

“Hello Nathan,” she said. “Have you been running?”

Nathan shrugged. “I saw you crossing the street. I’ve got something to ask you.”

“It’s nice to know we’re almost on holiday,” she said.

“Yeah, isn’t it? Hey, Rufina! Could we maybe …?”

“And we don’t have to lug books around today,” she said.

“True,” said Nathan. “Hey ...”

“Meeting Donald?” she asked.

Nathan clicked his tongue and said, “Yeah. I’m a bit early. Thought I’d meet him at his dad’s workshop. Listen, would you like to …?”

“Nathan!” she said, “you have to get him to take the day off. It’s holiday break-up, yeah? It won’t matter.”

“But why?”

“The Zimmerman twins,” she said, referring to a pair of fourteen year olds in their class.

“Oh right,” said Nathan with a sneer. “They’re going to beat him up, I suppose.”

“Yes, they are. Definitely.”

“Rufina,” said Nathan, shrugging, “those idiots are going to beat him up every day. Never seems to happen though.” Wiping his palms on his baggy trousers, he tried to quell his fluttering stomach. “I don’t suppose you’d like to …”

“It’ll happen today, Nathan!” Rufina declared. “He really shouldn’t ...”

“But their dad’ll get into trouble too! Rufina, could you and I …?”

“Oh! So you haven’t heard about Mr Zimmerman?”

“Oh!” Nathan slumped his shoulders and sighed. “All right then, what about him?”

“Today’s his last day,” said Rufina. “He’s moving to the carpenter’s guild.”

“How d’you know?” Nathan said, tilting his head.

“I sat behind Odo and Gaius at the electric theatre last night. They were raving on about it between the news reels.”

Nathan began to tune out as she droned on and on, detailing the Zimmerman twins’ objection to the way Donald walked, the high marks he got in every subject and the even higher pants he always wore.

Squirming within himself, Nathan wondered how long it would be before she started turning blue. She really should have stopped for breath by now. And how could a bloke kiss a pair of lips that never stop flapping?

What the hell was I thinking?

“So?” she said.

Uh oh!

“Well?”

“Eh?”

“Did you hear a single word I said?”

“Course I did,” said Nathan faking the best look of sincerity he could manage.

“So, what are you going to do about it?” she asked, looking him up and down suspiciously.

With a shrug, Nathan ventured a possibility. “Ahh ... tell him not to come?” He waited with bated breath. Rufina could be quite creative if people didn’t take her as seriously as she thought she deserved.

She nodded with approval. He’d gotten away with it, but only just.

“He’ll come anyway,” she declared. “You know what he’s like!”

“Do I ever!” said Nathan, thinking the gods themselves would need to work overtime to stop Donald today. They were only having three classes, but marks for the term were being read out.

“By the way,” said Rufina, reaching out and giving Nathan’s bare forearm a gentle squeeze. “I’ve got something to ask you.”

“Really, what?”

“Do you think Donald would go out with me?”

Feeling both cheated and relieved at the same time, Nathan shrugged. “I dunno, do you like him?”

“Of course I do,” she said. “He’s absolutely gorgeous and such a classy dresser.”

Nathan shrugged and nodded. “Yeah well, that’s why Odo and Gaius pick on him.”

“They think he’s a homosexual,” said Rufina.

“They don’t really,” said Nathan, “They just say that because he ...”

“Well anyway,” said Rufina impatiently, “just ask him if he likes me! Please Nathan?”

Nathan nodded. “Of course.”

* * *​

Eyes fixed firmly on the pavement ahead, Nathan stalked along Cato Street, not bothering to look up as a skyship droned overhead.

Was Rufina serious? Nathan and Donald had been born on the same day. Their mothers were twins and so were their fathers. They looked like twins themselves. How then, was Donald gorgeous and Nathan not?

It had to be Donald’s clothes. Rufina was a fashion freak. That had to be it.

Had to be!

And the talking? No wonder she had the nickname 'Steamjaw'!

He imagined being married to her and putting up with the incessant talking and being cut off every time he tried to say something.

Gods below! I’m well out of that!

Turning into a street lined with craft workshops, he headed for an arched doorway with a sign above it that read, Cornelius Entwhistle - Harpsichord Builder.

A twelve year old boy with short, strawberry blond hair and green eyes stepped out from the open door, spotted Nathan and beamed at him.

“Hey Nathan!”

“Donald!

“You know the electric theatre’s showing a new light-story tonight?” said Donald.

“I heard,” said Nathan. “Captain Hieronymous and the Persian Sky Pirates.”

“We have to go!” said Donald. “And it’s off to Rome tomorrow, too.”

“Good start to the hols,” said Nathan as they headed back towards Cato Street. “Hey listen, I saw Rufina just before. I was going to ask her to go out with me and …”

“Forget it, mate!” said Donald. “She’s out of your league.”

“What?” said Nathan indignantly. “What’s that supposed to mean?”

“She’s a fashion freak, Nathan,” Donald said with a knowing look. “You need to dress up a bit more. And getting higher marks might help.”

“You think I could manage it?”

“Course you could, you git! Do a bit of work and you’ll get straight A’s like me. Get some proper clothes,” Donald said, with a mischievous gleam in his eyes, “and you’ll be irresistible ... like me.”

“Oh yeah,” said Nathan, “must be lonely, being perfect!”

“Yeah well, get cracking and join me! I could use the company.”

They turned into Cato Street and Nathan decided to try again. “Listen,” he said, putting out a hand and stopping Donald. “Rufina said Odo and Gaius are going to beat you up today.”

“Oh please,” said Donald with a sneer. “That just gets tired.”

“Apparently, they think you’re a homosexual.”

“Well I must be,” said Donald drily. “Let’s face it! I get good marks and dress up a bit.”

“A bit?” Nathan said. “You dress up a bit?” He looked Donald up and down, noting his crisp, shirt and close fitting, pinstriped shorts. With their long fly and ultra high waist, they came up well above his navel. The suspenders were completely unnecessary and the short tie with its perfect knot was just ...

“Donald,” said Nathan, shaking his head. “This is why they pick on you.” He glanced down at his own baggy trousers, tucked into boots and belted around the hips.

"You should ..."

“I’m not dressing down for those idiots,” said Donald, shrugging. He unbuttoned one of the sleeves on his fawn shirt and began rolling it up.

“That's a great look for patrician boys in Rome, mate. But not here,” said Nathan.

“It’s my look, Nathan! This is me. This is what I wear.”

Nathan shook his head. “Listen Donald, let’s just take the day off school!

“No way!” said Donald. He unbuttoned the other sleeve and went to work. “I’m not hiding from those witless plebs.” he said, looking up.

“I don’t want to see you get beaten up.”

“I’m not missing a minute of school because of them,” said Donald. “And I'm not going to hide from them, either! I swear that by Apollo’s arrows!"

“Bloody hell, Donald! You’ve just blown it.”

Donald clicked his tongue. “Blown what? What do you mean?”

“You can’t go back on an oath like that.”

“I don’t intend to.” Donald said. “Besides, didn’t their old man nearly lose his job because of them?”

“That’s just it. Today’s his last day.”

Donald raised an eyebrow and stared at Nathan. “Uh oh!”

“Yeah!” said Nathan. “And you’ve just sworn ...”

“All right, Nathan! I get the picture!” said Donald and started checking his rolled up sleeves to make sure they sat evenly above his elbows. “I’m keeping the oath,” he added, looking at Nathan again.

“All right,” said Nathan doubtfully.

Donld held up his elbows. “Look all right?

“Yes mate,” Nathan said with an exagerrated groan. “Perfect. Very neat.”

“Right then,” said Donald, “that’s today sorted. Now, are we going to school, or what?”

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I delayed critting this because I figured I'm not really in its intended market. The writing is sound enough and there are no grammar or punctuation issues that I spotted, but it didn't engage me. I can see what you're trying to do with the opening, but it feels too fast-paced. Which would work fine if there were lots of tension, but there isn't. There's no reason at the beginning to think anything is at stake, and indeed, the only thing immediately at stake is whether he gets a conversation with this girl. Now this might (or might not) work OK for a younger readership, but it just didn't feel important enough for me. In most cases, if an author can convince a reader that something is important to a character, the reader will go along with it, but that doesn't happen for me here.

There's also the problem of Nathan being a doormat. I wanted to rewrite this section:

“Hello Nathan,” she said. “Have you been running?”

Nathan shrugged. “I saw you crossing the street. I’ve got something to ask you.”

“It’s nice to know we’re almost on holiday,” she said.

“Yeah, isn’t it? Hey, Rufina! Could we maybe …?”

“And we don’t have to lug books around today,” she said.

“True,” said Nathan. “Hey ...”

“Meeting Donald?” she asked.

Nathan clicked his tongue and said, “Yeah. I’m a bit early. Thought I’d meet him at his dad’s workshop. Listen, would you like to …?”

“Nathan!” she said, “you have to --”

STOP INTERRUPTING ME WHEN I'M TRYING TO ASK YOU OUT, YOU IRRITATING ****!!!” suggested Nathan.

Plus, there's the "casual" dropping in of world-building details which actually seems rather heavy-handed: it's almost as if we can see the physical hand of the author placing these snippets of information into the diorama. In fact, the whole excerpt has the feel of a calculated introduction rather than something that takes off by itself and follows its own impetus, if that makes sense?

Sorry if this seems negative. I think you show promise as a writer, but in my opinion you ought to rethink where your story begins, and in particular, what a reader will feel to be important enough to get them to have a stake in the story. What this reminded me of most was the old PlayStation RPG Grandia, which started off with a long, tedious section introducing the characters by making them solve utterly trivial-feeling problems in a nondescript town setting. In the end, that turned into one of my favourite RPGs, but it nearly lost me at the outset. You're in danger of doing the same, I think.

Please don't be discouraged though. My early stuff had similar, and worse, faults, and I'm sure the same would go for most people.
 
Harebrain,

Thanks. I certainly won't be discouraged from writing.

I love this particular opening although I know it may need work. I suppose it's easy to love an opening when you know what it's leading to.

An opening that doesn't work for the readers, is an opening that doesn't work.

I'll see if anyone else crits.

Thanks for you input.
 
I suppose it's easy to love an opening when you know what it's leading to.

Have you tried starting with "what it's leading to"?

A very successful author who was previously my English teacher once told me that she almost always ended up ditching her first chapter, because it was her lead-in to the meat of the story, and didn't have to be the reader's as well. Just something to think about.
 
Have you tried starting with "what it's leading to"?

A very successful author who was previously my English teacher once told me that she almost always ended up ditching her first chapter, because it was her lead-in to the meat of the story, and didn't have to be the reader's as well. Just something to think about.

Well, that's not a bad idea.

What it's leading to, in a nutshell is this - Donald and Nathan arrive at school and a couple of bullies give Donald some verbal. The teacher arrives and announces a pleasant surprise - a school excursion to a factory where magical artifacts are made. After that, they have their final class for the term after which Donald keeps his oath not to hide from the bullies and gets smacked around a bit. The sister of the bullies ends up intervening on Donald's behalf.

Purpose - to establish that he's got the balls to keep a sacred vow, even if it hurts. This gives Nathan something to live up to and is important because in this world, if you break a vow, spirits won't obey you when you conjure them, no matter how powerful a pentacle you show them.

Donald and Nathan go to the electric theatre afterwards where Donald hooks up with the sister of the bullies and Nathan, with Rufina who's her best friend.

Donald and Nathan walk the girls home and on the way back through the middle of town, in the dead of night, they see someone Donald recognizes due to his father having been an ambassador. This person is a serial killer and a werewolf and knows that Donald has recognized him. He's a person of interest to the authorities but has not been accused of any crimes within the Roman empire as yet.

And the plot thickens. It thickens like poured concrete on a warm day.

It could well be that this just isn't your sort of thing and others may well find it perfectly engaging, but your feedback is still valuable and any suggestions or challenges you throw at me will be welcome.
 
Hi Rufus,

I meant to comment on this the other day, but the day then went all kinds of wrong and I realised I tempted fate trying to be sneaky:eek: however I hold no malice for this piece as a result.:D

I liked it. I understand it to be aimed at the YA market, and whilst it could do with more tension as HB says, maybe this could be sorted by upping the now or never factor of Nathan asking Rufina out? Rather than just him wanting to catch up with her, as it does give it a casual feel. The elements are there-the threat for Donald, the nervous now or never romantic angle...maybe it just needs reorganising?

I agree that Nathan also has the patience of a saint!

Considering the market, I didn't feel that the hints of the world were that clunky-I mean, I got the setting straight away, knew which genre I was in within a few lines, so perhaps these could be pared down for those who prefer it to be inferred more subtly?

Nathan was likeable, Donald seems like quite a good character, Rufina seemed a lot older in her manner though, very motherly almost so I was surprised by her interest in Donald. The whole conversation smacks a bit of info dumping, a lot of that could be dealt with Nathans internal thoughts when dealing with her warning and sharpening up the dialogue would do wonders to make her a bit fresher on the page. If that makes sense?

Anyway, those are my thoughts, it does need an immediate grab-and the dialogue could do with tightening up. I liked Nathan's wondering how you ever kiss a mouth that doesn't shut up-made me smile.

Emma
 
After that, they have their final class for the term after which Donald keeps his oath not to hide from the bullies and gets smacked around a bit. The sister of the bullies ends up intervening on Donald's behalf.

Purpose - to establish that he's got the balls to keep a sacred vow, even if it hurts. This gives Nathan something to live up to and is important because in this world, if you break a vow, spirits won't obey you when you conjure them, no matter how powerful a pentacle you show them.

OK, for my money (again, personal opinion, seek others too) is that this fight -- with a short lead-in -- would make a good opening. You've got the drama of the violence, the fear it causes Donald, and probably Nathan too, but you've also got the interesting tension resulting from the (rash? stupid?) vow he's made. The detail of the spirits is an interesting one in such a modern setting, and is a good piece of wordbuilding which also has immediate relevance to what's going on. Also, I imagine that as a kid getting pummelled, it's going to be difficult to honour a vow which is only going to bring practical benefits at some point in the future, when abandoning it is going to bring the immediate benefit of not getting hurt any more.
 
I'm nowhere near as impatient as HareBrain when it comes to openings, but in this case I do agree with him, I'm afraid, though I accept we're not your target readership.

I think part of the problem is that the very opening is something that might work on the screen, with a boy dashing along a street, under carts, around slow-moving shoppers and avoiding the ubiquitous two-men-holding-a-pane-of-sheet-glass. It might even work on the page if that was how it was written -- in a helter-skelter of movement and pelting feet and general action. Unfortunately, the opening is pedestrian in all senses of the word. Whatever feeling of rush and excitement you tried to engender is entirely dissipated with the alchemist and the dialogue.

Then when the race is finished and we think something is going to happen... we get a looooooong conversation, much of which makes us want to slap both parties around the head with an extremely large haddock. (OK. It might just be me who wants to do that... :eek:).

If you are wedded to these introductory scenes then in my view you have to tighten them a great deal. This doesn't necessarily mean making them shorter, though frankly I think much of the dialogue ought to be excised and the rest sharpened, but it does mean making them more involving and dynamic. Otherwise, HareBrain's suggestion of starting at the fight is a good one.

I also agree with HareBrain that the dropping in of background info is very obvious. You've taken care not to dump stuff in one big dollop which is all to the good, but the individual drips are still dumped there, with very little attempt to integrate them into the story properly. eg "steam lorry" -- do they have different kinds of lorry and only some are steam-driven? If not, it makes no more sense for him to think this than for me to talk about my internal-combustion-engined car. Instead of telling us it's a steam lorry, show us the steam escaping from its whatevers, or the trail of smoke from its other-whatevers (I am not, as one might deduce, technologically-minded). Ditto "green bustle dress". What you are trying to do with this is say "Hey. Note she's wearing a bustle. This is, like, so Victorian." It tells us nothing about Rufina or Nathan. Now, if it was "She was wearing the green dress which matched her eyes, but he wondered again why any girl would want a hundred-weight of padding added to her already ample backside" that gives us a good bit more info. Incidentally, it's unlikely an adolescent girl would be wearing a bustle since it was an adult fashion which, whatever its practical origins, undoubtedly had some kind of sexual under/overtones.

For myself, the mix'n'match approach to history would pull me out of the story unless it was developed into a seamless whole. Victorian steampunk I can cope with. Alternate Roman timelines I can cope with. Twenty-first century teen-speak, mores and assumptions I can cope with. But not all three in the same package. And you're planning on adding magic and werewolves... It may be that you can weld all these disparate elements together, but it will need an inordinate amount of work to make it convincing. My own bete-noire is the teen-speak and other modern-day usages. These characters are in no way, shape or form either Roman or Victorian: they have stepped straight off the set of children's TV. Now, it may be that your intended YA readership won't think it strange that girls are being educated to the same level as boys, nor that teenagers are thinking of dating, nor that they are aware of, and have no difficulty with, homosexuality. But I cannot believe that you genuinely think this is in any way representative of how Roman society would be in the equivalent of the Victorian age.

Sorry this is so overwhelmingly negative. I get the impression you haven't been writing long, and these are the kinds of things we all do when we're first starting. You have got the basics of punctuation etc, which is more than can be said for a lot of people who post here, and it's clear that you have a vivid imagination and a wealth of ideas. With time and work I'm sure you can build on those highly-important foundations to produce something which will really knock our socks off!

Good luck with it
 
I love Steampunk and I read a great deal of YA fiction. (In fact, in the last two months I've probably read ten YA novels. For me, these things go in cycles.)

And I have to agree with everything that HareBrain and The Judge have said.

It's a funny thing how even when you are technically doing exactly what you should it can come out the wrong way. All of those short sentences, then the quick back-and-forth dialogue, it just isn't working here. For me, as a reader, it gave me no purchase in the story, nothing to hang on to, there was nothing to ground me. If it were a book I picked up at the library or the bookstore, I doubt I would have lasted two pages.

It reads like the outline of a scene, not the scene itself, and outlines are not very engaging.

You don't need to load it down with detail and description, but you do need to give just enough more to bring the characters and the setting into sharp focus.

And I particularly agree with The Judge when she says that you do not, at least at that point in the story, seem to be melding your Roman/Victorian/Steampunk elements together in such a way that they seem to belong together. For one thing, you need to get inside the heads of your young characters and ask them what it would mean to grow up in such a society, how it would mold their thinking and the ways that they express themselves. That doesn't mean that the dialogue has to be stilted and old-fashioned, but neither should it clash with the mind-set of the type of people who could exist within such a world and culture.

I suggest that you look for those speech patterns that our contemporary society might hold in common with the kind of people you are writing about. Any modern expressions that don't fit into that category should go.
 
OK I'm going in. I have to say the first thing that jarred was the subtitle.

"promises to be a bit of a worry"

doesn't give me any feeling of Steam punk - Quite the opposite more tea and scones and Beatrice Potter. Still, maybe I'm losing the plot - A lot have said that too.

Any feedback welcome, particularly regarding likability of characters and likelihood that you would keep reading.




CHAPTER I​









Where Nathan and Donald’s school holiday begins and promises to be a bit of a worry.





Nathan spotted Rufina crossing the cobblestones. She was about a block and a half away.

Hoping to catch her, he took off, sprinting past The Temple of Ares, the hardware shop and the police tower.

With boots pounding on the pavement, he was charging towards the corner when a gaggle of robed figures spilled out of the alchemists’ guild house ahead. (Steam-punk?)

“Look out!” he cried and tried to stop.

He skidded on the pavement and overbalanced.

Plunging forward, he flung out his hands to break his fall as the largest of them caught him.

“Good morning, Master Entwhistle,” said the alchemist, steadying him. (Is there just the one alchemist - try Alchemist Peter or whatever since there was a gaggle of them a minute ago)

“Morning sir!” Nathan panted, recovering his balance. He glanced at the corner and saw that Rufina had already disappeared. “Sorry sir! Thank you!” he said and took off again.

“It’s only a quarter past eight, you know!” the alchemist called after him as he reached the corner. (Why?)

And there she was in her green bustle dress, pausing to admire the fashions in a clothing shop window. (the latest styles in... maybe)

Nathan leaned against a fluted lamp post and took a few deep breaths as a steam lorry went by. He called out to her and sauntered across the street.

She looked around as he approached and waited for him.

“Hello Nathan,” she said. “Have you been running?” (slightly mundane)

Nathan shrugged. “I saw you crossing the street. I’ve got something to ask you.”

“It’s nice to know we’re almost on holiday,” she said.

“Yeah, isn’t it? Hey, Rufina! Could we maybe …?”

“And we don’t have to lug books around today,” she said.

“True,” said Nathan. “Hey ...”

“Meeting Donald?” she asked.

Nathan clicked his tongue and said, “Yeah. I’m a bit early. Thought I’d meet him at his dad’s workshop. Listen, would you like to …?”

“Nathan!” she said, “you have to get him to take the day off. It’s holiday break-up, yeah? It won’t matter.”

“But why?”

“The Zimmerman twins,” she said, referring to a pair of fourteen year olds in their class.

“Oh right,” said Nathan with a sneer. “They’re going to beat him up, I suppose.”

“Yes, they are. Definitely.”

“Rufina,” said Nathan, shrugging, “those idiots are going to beat him up every day. Never seems to happen though.” Wiping his palms on his baggy trousers, he tried to quell his fluttering stomach. “I don’t suppose you’d like to …”

“It’ll happen today, Nathan!” Rufina declared. “He really shouldn’t ...”

“But their dad’ll get into trouble too! Rufina, could you and I …?”

(I know what you're attempting, but the interrupted speech is getting a bit wearing now)

“Oh! So you haven’t heard about Mr Zimmerman?”

“Oh!” Nathan slumped his shoulders and sighed. “All right then, what about him?”

“Today’s his last day,” said Rufina. “He’s moving to the carpenter’s guild.”

“How d’you know?” Nathan said, tilting his head.

“I sat behind Odo and Gaius at the electric theatre last night. They were raving on about it between the news reels.”

Nathan began to tune out as she droned on and on, detailing the Zimmerman twins’ objection to the way Donald walked, the high marks he got in every subject and the even higher pants he always wore.

Squirming within himself, Nathan wondered how long it would be before she started turning blue. She really should have stopped for breath by now. And how could a bloke kiss a pair of lips that never stop flapping?

What the hell was I thinking?

“So?” she said.

Uh oh!

“Well?”

“Eh?”

“Did you hear a single word I said?”

“Course I did,” said Nathan faking the best look of sincerity he could manage.

“So, what are you going to do about it?” she asked, looking him up and down suspiciously.

With a shrug, Nathan ventured a possibility. “Ahh ... tell him not to come?” He waited with bated breath. Rufina could be quite creative if people didn’t take her as seriously as she thought she deserved.

She nodded with approval. He’d gotten away with it, but only just.

“He’ll come anyway,” she declared. “You know what he’s like!”

“Do I ever!” said Nathan, thinking the gods themselves would need to work overtime to stop Donald today. They were only having three classes, but marks for the term were being read out.

“By the way,” said Rufina, reaching out and giving Nathan’s bare forearm a gentle squeeze. “I’ve got something to ask you.”

“Really, what?”

“Do you think Donald would go out with me?”

Feeling both cheated and relieved at the same time, Nathan shrugged. “I dunno, do you like him?”

“Of course I do,” she said. “He’s absolutely gorgeous and such a classy dresser.”

Nathan shrugged and nodded. “Yeah well, that’s why Odo and Gaius pick on him.”

“They think he’s a homosexual,” said Rufina.

“They don’t really,” said Nathan, “They just say that because he ...”

“Well anyway,” said Rufina impatiently, “just ask him if he likes me! Please Nathan?”

Nathan nodded. “Of course.”

(That was a bit long winded IMO.

It just didn't work for me. I stopped reading the dialog for actual content ages ago)



* * *​





Eyes fixed firmly on the pavement ahead, Nathan stalked along Cato Street, not bothering to look up as a skyship droned overhead.

Was Rufina serious? Nathan and Donald had been born on the same day. Their mothers were twins and so were their fathers. They looked like twins themselves. How then, was Donald gorgeous and Nathan not?

It had to be Donald’s clothes. Rufina was a fashion freak. That had to be it.

Had to be!

And the talking? No wonder she had the nickname 'Steamjaw'!

He imagined being married to her and putting up with the incessant talking and being cut off every time he tried to say something.

Gods below! I’m well out of that!

Turning into a street lined with craft workshops, he headed for an arched doorway with a sign above it that read, Cornelius Entwhistle - Harpsichord Builder.

A twelve year old boy with short, strawberry blond hair and green eyes stepped out from the open door, spotted Nathan and beamed at him.

“Hey Nathan!”

“Donald!

“You know the electric theatre’s showing a new light-story tonight?” said Donald.

“I heard,” said Nathan. “Captain Hieronymous and the Persian Sky Pirates.”

“We have to go!” said Donald. “And it’s off to Rome tomorrow, too.” (???)

“Good start to the hols,” said Nathan as they headed back towards Cato Street. “Hey listen, I saw Rufina just before. I was going to ask her to go out with me and …”

“Forget it, mate!” said Donald. “She’s out of your league.”

“What?” said Nathan indignantly. “What’s that supposed to mean?”

“She’s a fashion freak, Nathan,” Donald said with a knowing look. “You need to dress up a bit more. And getting higher marks might help.”

“You think I could manage it?”

“Course you could, you git! Do a bit of work and you’ll get straight A’s like me. Get some proper clothes,” Donald said, with a mischievous gleam in his eyes, “and you’ll be irresistible ... like me.”

“Oh yeah,” said Nathan, “must be lonely, being perfect!”

“Yeah well, get cracking and join me! I could use the company.”

They turned into Cato Street and Nathan decided to try again. “Listen,” he said, putting out a hand and stopping Donald. “Rufina said Odo and Gaius are going to beat you up today.”

“Oh please,” said Donald with a sneer. “That just gets tired.”

“Apparently, they think you’re a homosexual.”

“Well I must be,” said Donald drily. “Let’s face it! I get good marks and dress up a bit.”

“A bit?” Nathan said. “You dress up a bit?” He looked Donald up and down, noting his crisp, shirt and close fitting, pinstriped shorts. With their long fly and ultra high waist, they came up well above his navel. The suspenders were completely unnecessary and the short tie with its perfect knot was just ...

“Donald,” said Nathan, shaking his head. “This is why they pick on you.” He glanced down at his own baggy trousers, tucked into boots and belted around the hips.

"You should ..."

“I’m not dressing down for those idiots,” said Donald, shrugging. He unbuttoned one of the sleeves on his fawn shirt and began rolling it up.

“That's a great look for patrician boys in Rome, mate. But not here,” said Nathan.

“It’s my look, Nathan! This is me. This is what I wear.”

Nathan shook his head. “Listen Donald, let’s just take the day off school!

“No way!” said Donald. He unbuttoned the other sleeve and went to work. “I’m not hiding from those witless plebs.” he said, looking up.

“I don’t want to see you get beaten up.”

“I’m not missing a minute of school because of them,” said Donald. “And I'm not going to hide from them, either! I swear that by Apollo’s arrows!"

“Bloody hell, Donald! You’ve just blown it.”

Donald clicked his tongue. “Blown what? What do you mean?”

“You can’t go back on an oath like that.”

“I don’t intend to.” Donald said. “Besides, didn’t their old man nearly lose his job because of them?”

“That’s just it. Today’s his last day.”

Donald raised an eyebrow and stared at Nathan. “Uh oh!”

“Yeah!” said Nathan. “And you’ve just sworn ...”

“All right, Nathan! I get the picture!” said Donald and started checking his rolled up sleeves to make sure they sat evenly above his elbows. “I’m keeping the oath,” he added, looking at Nathan again.

“All right,” said Nathan doubtfully.

Donld held up his elbows. “Look all right?

“Yes mate,” Nathan said with an exagerrated groan. “Perfect. Very neat.”

“Right then,” said Donald, “that’s today sorted. Now, are we going to school, or what?”



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I think the pace definitely needs quickening up and as I said at the beginning this just doesn't give me a feeling of steam-punk - more Hercules meets the Marks Brothers. Now if that's what you're going for fine.

Sorry
 
I agree with the people that say that they do not see the steam punk. Also I think your opening could use a bit more of a hook. From the first paragraph it seems like a typical boy meats girl story. I think it needs a bit more mystery to help people get excited about the story.
 
Hi Rufus,

I meant to comment on this the other day, but the day then went all kinds of wrong and I realised I tempted fate trying to be sneaky:eek: however I hold no malice for this piece as a result.:D

I liked it. I understand it to be aimed at the YA market, and whilst it could do with more tension as HB says, maybe this could be sorted by upping the now or never factor of Nathan asking Rufina out? Rather than just him wanting to catch up with her, as it does give it a casual feel. The elements are there-the threat for Donald, the nervous now or never romantic angle...maybe it just needs reorganising?

I agree that Nathan also has the patience of a saint!

Considering the market, I didn't feel that the hints of the world were that clunky-I mean, I got the setting straight away, knew which genre I was in within a few lines, so perhaps these could be pared down for those who prefer it to be inferred more subtly?

Nathan was likeable, Donald seems like quite a good character, Rufina seemed a lot older in her manner though, very motherly almost so I was surprised by her interest in Donald. The whole conversation smacks a bit of info dumping, a lot of that could be dealt with Nathans internal thoughts when dealing with her warning and sharpening up the dialogue would do wonders to make her a bit fresher on the page. If that makes sense?

Anyway, those are my thoughts, it does need an immediate grab-and the dialogue could do with tightening up. I liked Nathan's wondering how you ever kiss a mouth that doesn't shut up-made me smile.

Emma

Thanks for that!:)

Based on Harebrain's suggestion, I'm rewriting it to begin at the school gate with Donald turning up and Nathan and Rufina waiting to warn him. That gets them into the classroom on page 2 where some tension escalates.

I may end up keeping this present version though and if I do, I'll bear your suggestions in mind when reorganising it, they're good ones.
 
I agree with the people that say that they do not see the steam punk. Also I think your opening could use a bit more of a hook. From the first paragraph it seems like a typical boy meats girl story. I think it needs a bit more mystery to help people get excited about the story.

Maybe it's not really Steampunk! I think I'll stop considering it to be such.

It's just a fantasy with an alternative history element and an urban setting.
 
Hello. I write steampunk (sort of) so I thought I'd add a few thoughts.

At the moment the sheer number of influences makes it feel like one of those generic post-medieval magical worlds at present rather than the result of any particular setting (my mental image was the comic strip Girl Genius, whose setting seems to wobble between 1500 and 1900 - with magic). In particular the Victorian and Roman aspects don't sit very well together*. (Also, if the Roman Empire had continued to 2010, its technology would probably be more advanced as well as just different now). For example, "harpischord" suggests an era too late for Romans and too early for Victorians. There's a bit of a sense of everything being in the story, which is fine so long as you keep a tight control over it. But overt mentions of Romans or Victorians do rather set up expectations in the reader's mind which the story so far doesn't satisfy. A Roman, a Victorian and a modern-day person would all regard homosexuality in very different ways, for example.

(I've got to admit that the school setting doesn't do a lot for me, since schools in fantasy worlds always seem to be modern schools - and the attendant classroom issues - transplanted to a different setting. But a lot of people love them, and they sell, so feel free to disregard this!)

I would also worry less about writing "steampunk" as such. It seems so poorly - and by some people so narrowly - defined that debates still rage across the web about what it really is. I think they're pointless: you know steampunk when you see it. There also comes a point of divergence between fantasy and alternate history/SF. Basically, would a spaceship in this world run on literal coal (fantasy) or just be built by people who like polished brass (SF)? If you've got werewolves and alchemy this sounds like fantasy, unless those are jargon terms for other things.

I like the writing, though I'd echo Teresa's point about the need for more fleshing-out. I'm in two minds about the name-dropping: my main hope is that the interesting names aren't just alternative words for real things. "Electric theatre" sounds intriguing, and I hope it isn't just cinema. For me, good steampunk isn't about putting a false moustache and some bolts onto the modern world: it's about the clash of ideas that SF/F and history provide, whether it results in chaos, reflection or even comedy.

I hope this makes sense and perhaps even helps!



* Despite both having huge empires, the Victorians seemed to look back more to Arthurian legend and perhaps Elizabethan times (the Georgians seemed more interested in Rome). To me, this makes it easier to imagine a Victorian in, say a robot suit, as the link between Victorians and knights is already there in the Victorian mind. But that's probably just me.
 
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Despite both having huge empires, the Victorians seemed to look back more to Arthurian legend and perhaps Elizabethan times (the Georgians seemed more interested in Rome).
While I agree about the Arthurian legend, I think that there was quite a bit of interest in the Ancient World as a whole and Rome in particular. Think of how successful Alma-Tadema was with his idealised scenes -- essentially his fellow Victorians dressed up in togas. It always seems to me that the Victorian establishment thought of the Romans (at least the elite) as pretty much like themselves -- intelligent, methodical and with a very, very big empire. We might not be as poetical and artistic as those Ancient Greek/colonial chappies but by G-d! we're efficient.

So I think the altered time-line idea, with the Roman empire continuing until the equivalent of our Victorian age could work, with the two meshing together well. Rufus, thinking about it, it might give you inspiration if you looked at some of Alma-Tadema's paintings: you want Romans in Victorian dress, he's just done it in reverse.
 
Hello. I write steampunk (sort of) so I thought I'd add a few thoughts.

At the moment the sheer number of influences makes it feel like one of those generic post-medieval magical worlds at present rather than the result of any particular setting (my mental image was the comic strip Girl Genius, whose setting seems to wobble between 1500 and 1900 - with magic). In particular the Victorian and Roman aspects don't sit very well together*. (Also, if the Roman Empire had continued to 2010, its technology would probably be more advanced as well as just different now). For example, "harpischord" suggests an era too late for Romans and too early for Victorians.
Okay, the bustle dresses are out. Hopefully, that will de-Victorianate the situation somewhat. I no longer consider myself to be writing steampunk, but rather, writing fantasy with some cool technology that I really like and magic as well.

There's a bit of a sense of everything being in the story, which is fine so long as you keep a tight control over it. But overt mentions of Romans or Victorians do rather set up expectations in the reader's mind which the story so far doesn't satisfy. A Roman, a Victorian and a modern-day person would all regard homosexuality in very different ways, for example.
That sort of comment has come up a few times and I'd be an idiot to ignore it. On the other hand, it is only two scenes so far.

(I've got to admit that the school setting doesn't do a lot for me, since schools in fantasy worlds always seem to be modern schools - and the attendant classroom issues - transplanted to a different setting. But a lot of people love them, and they sell, so feel free to disregard this!)
Yes, you're right, but the school thing stays no matter what.

I would also worry less about writing "steampunk" as such. It seems so poorly - and by some people so narrowly - defined that debates still rage across the web about what it really is. I think they're pointless: you know steampunk when you see it. There also comes a point of divergence between fantasy and alternate history/SF. Basically, would a spaceship in this world run on literal coal (fantasy) or just be built by people who like polished brass (SF)? If you've got werewolves and alchemy this sounds like fantasy, unless those are jargon terms for other things.
It's funny you should say that!

I've already written a complete draft of what will be volume 3 in a planned series. This one is the backstory of the backstory and the beginning of the whole thing.

I was twenty or so pages from the end when I discovered that there was actually a genre called "Steampunk" which had zeppelins and sometimes, magic.

I was thrilled to discover that this stuff existed. Until then, I had honestly had no idea at all that there was such a thing as Steampunk.

I assumed that because I had zeppelins as well as magic in an alternate history that I was writing Steampunk.

Now, I think I'm writing the fantasy I want to write and I don't care about genre issues.

I like the writing, though I'd echo Teresa's point about the need for more fleshing-out.
I'm glad you like the writing and again, I can see what you and Teresa mean about the need for more fleshing-out.

I'm in two minds about the name-dropping: my main hope is that the interesting names aren't just alternative words for real things. "Electric theatre" sounds intriguing, and I hope it isn't just cinema.
Uh oh!

It actually does just mean 'cinema'. In a previous version of this I used the term 'zeppelin' and someone suggested I think of another term for it.


For me, good steampunk isn't about putting a false moustache and some bolts onto the modern world:
I am doing that a bit, I must admit. :eek:

I hope this makes sense and perhaps even helps!
It does. I've already rewritten the beginning because Harebrain's suggestion about starting closer to the action resonated and I'm rewriting it yet again with Donald as the POV character.

I have no idea why, but this particular bunch of critiques has inspired me to try different approaches, even if I don't agree with all of it, or even a lot of it.

I can't identify the psychological mechanism, but it seems that critique you don't agree with can still inspire and make you think about what you're doing.

So where am I coming from with this? What sort of world am I creating?

The year is nowhere near 2010. It's not even 1910. It's a bit of a mishmash of things, I know.

A Roman empire on an earth where magic works and werewolves exist and are reasonably well integrated into society. Overrun by Gauls, Britons and Germans who become Romanized to a large extent while still Gaullifying, Germanizing and Britonating the empire.

If magic works and is not suppressed, then technology can advance as it needs to. Fashions can be different. Was there ever a Darius of Persia on this earth? No. So why not have a Babylonian empire still flourishing as the rival superpower to a transformed Roman empire?

If I was going to keep the idea of bustle dresses, does that mean the blokes have to wear top hats and muttonchop sideburns? Not necessarily.

There is nothing carved in stone that says, bustle dress for woman equals top hat and muttonchop sideburns for blokes. It's just what we're used to.

Why an alchemists' guild in a society with zeppelins and cinemas?

Why not?

In a world where alchemy works and transmutated elements are used as components in a hybrid, magical-steam or magical-diesel, why not have an alchemists' guild?

Alchemy was medieval here, on our earth but that doesn't mean medieval, European style societies in the multiverse of fantasy worlds should have a total monopoly on alchemy.

I feel a little bit like I'm cooking a casserole and people are noticing a pea or two floating in it and making all sorts of associations. Peas go with mashed potatoes for example. How come there are no mashed potatoes in this casserole?

Well, because this particular casserole does have peas but in this context, peas aren't going with mashed potatoes.

It's human nature to make associations based on what you know and make assumptions based on those associations.

Maybe I need to make it an even more fictional earth where Rome only ever amounted to a moderately prosperous village.

I wonder if that would solve a lot of the apparent problems of people finding details incongruous?
 
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While I agree about the Arthurian legend, I think that there was quite a bit of interest in the Ancient World as a whole and Rome in particular. Think of how successful Alma-Tadema was with his idealised scenes -- essentially his fellow Victorians dressed up in togas. It always seems to me that the Victorian establishment thought of the Romans (at least the elite) as pretty much like themselves -- intelligent, methodical and with a very, very big empire. We might not be as poetical and artistic as those Ancient Greek/colonial chappies but by G-d! we're efficient.

So I think the altered time-line idea, with the Roman empire continuing until the equivalent of our Victorian age could work, with the two meshing together well. Rufus, thinking about it, it might give you inspiration if you looked at some of Alma-Tadema's paintings: you want Romans in Victorian dress, he's just done it in reverse.

Thanks for that, I'll check it out.
 
By the way, to everyone who's been a bit apologetic about their feedback, trust me! There's no need. I didn't expect gushing, effusive praise and if I'd received that unanimously, I wouldn't have a rewritten beginning plus a rival rewrite of the beginning from Donald's POV.
 
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