Steam-ship questions. Prizes!

If you're using a real steam engine, with pistons and beams and things rather than these new-fangled turbines, I don't believe you could get it up to pressure from cold in a couple of hours; something would crack. Eight hours would be more like it. So a military ship on active service (like a steam train on a regular schedule) would probably never be allowed to cool down completely. You could always use the steam to run a bilge pump, or make tea.

You wouldn't want too much steam in your smoke; as far as possible, at least on modernish steam power plants, you'd be condensing it so you didn't waste water. Yes, I know you're surrounded by the stuff as far as the eye can't see (because of all that smoke) but you're not going to put sea water into your boilers unless you're really desperate. So, along with the coal (or firewood or compressed straw or egyptian mummies) to burn you have to carry fresh water.

And a big ship in water goes an enormous distance before slowing to a halt, what with all that weight and fluid friction. Turning it sidewazs on would probably be faster than reversing the screw (if you've got enough searoom) and they take slightly more than forever turning (and stopping turning when they've got turned). Propellers just start to cavitate and their efficiency drops off drastically outside their designed range, so just reversing the spin (ignoring the reduction in time between replacements of engine parts) is not very effective.

Parachute braking (the sea achor technique) invoves an incredibly strong winch system attached to a bit of chassis which is really well attached to the ship's basic structure; there are lots and lots of tonnes of force involved. Still, this is at a fairly easy to replace point on the ship, relative to the main gears or the propeller shaft.
 
Thanks Chris. However I wonder if you're being a bit pessimistic about stopping distance.

Following a link I didn't see before on the HMS Hood page, I found this handling guide, which contains this useful bit of info:

(y) From 12 knots ahead stopping and reversing engines.
Half astern both and 150 revolutions, ship will travel about 5 cables. (4 minutes).

A cable is 600 feet I think, so even a big ship like Hood could stop in just over half a mile. It's true this is 30 years in advance of the technology I'm using (and turbines instead of normal reciprocating (?) engines) but things might not be as bad (for my plot) as I was beginning to think.
 
No matter how good your imagination, HB, you're going to have to stretch it a looong way to top the French pre-dreadnought Massena, c.1898...

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Steampunk meets reality, and it's a close run thing...:D

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French Battleship Massena (1898)
 
Oooh, I've got to have that!

The battleship surged forward through the waves, looking like a cross between a giant mechanized barracuda and a brick warehouse on fire. Two copies of the Seattle space needle rose from the ships's spine, and at the bow was mounted a single gun so huge, the recoil would push the maritime monstrosity back five nautical miles with every shot.

'What the hell is that thing?' demanded the admiral.

'That, sir,' replied his aide, 'is French.'
 
Don't mention Dreadnaughts to me lol. While reseraching my husband's family tree I found out that one of his ancestors, one Inkerman Hobson designed some gizmo for the gun sights on the dreadnaughts. Being a patriotic Englishman to the core( well his name was Inkerman!) he gave the patent to the government!!!

Harebrain, just a thought. Do you have to go into such detail with this or can you just describe the ship coming to a stop and the boat being lowered. Perhaps use one of the scenes in an old british movie as a template for the action.


 
I don't know much about this subject, but I do know that several of these ships have been turned in to museums. Contacting one of them should get you the information you need.
 
Oooh, I've got to have that!

The battleship surged forward through the waves, looking like a cross between a giant mechanized barracuda and a brick warehouse on fire. Two copies of the Seattle space needle rose from the ships's spine, and at the bow was mounted a single gun so huge, the recoil would push the maritime monstrosity back five nautical miles with every shot.

'What the hell is that thing?' demanded the admiral.

'That, sir,' replied his aide, 'is French.'

five nautical miles, right ... try to create this kind of imaginary


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HB said:
The battleship surged forward through the waves, looking like a cross between a giant mechanized barracuda and a brick warehouse on fire.

Ah, now for that you really need the Hoche...


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And no, she's not sinking - that's her normal freeboard. Her nickname in the French Navy of the time was "The Hotel"...:D
 
@ Thwilli - Actually, surviving warships from the ironclad, pre-dreadnought, and dreadnought eras are extremely rare. If you're lucky, there's one left of the type you're interested in in the entire world. If you're looking to go to the source for information on pre-dreadnoughts, well, I hope you can speak Japanese.

@ HareBrain - Sorry I don't have numbers for starting and stopping, but there is one point I haven't seen mentioned in this thread, that may be relevant: it can be highly counter-productive for a Captain to attempt a hard maneuver by turning the rudder and reversing (or stopping) the screws, because reversed screws create tremendous turbulence (and stopped screws less so) and the rudder needs water flowing over it to be effective, so depending somewhat on the screw and rudder configuration, doing both at the same time minimizes the effectiveness of the rudder. I don't think the rudder typically interferes with the screws, but I'm sure with a bad enough design it's possible. I know about this because "Reversing & Turning" is suspected as a contributing factor to the sinking of the Titanic.
 
Georgios Averof is a dreadnought-era armored cruiser, which is self-evident from her construction dates; no pre-dreadnought era armored cruisers remain. Olympia and Aurora are both pre-dreadnought protected cruisers, but they were still built on opposite sides of the world ten years apart. What we have remains a very small sample of the variety of warships that existed then.
 
Great, another half-hour spent reading obscure details of early-twentieth century warship design.

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